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Kurtofan posted:you mean when they compare themselves positively to Hitler nah like ' trump is the next hitler' type of comparison. he's got nothing on this guy
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Ytlaya posted:Someone in this thread mentioning Mall Asia or something reminded me of this Filipina girl I chatted with on AIM when I was 13/14 way back in the late 90's. I remember she would tell me about how the Philippines had amazing, giant malls. Malls so big that they made malls in the US look tiny. I remember being very fascinated by those malls.  Alright, they do their malls well and they're nice to hang out in, particularly for young people, but still. Some people go to malls just to window shop, chat with friends, use the free wi-fi and free aircon for a few hours. PS: I love the flag cartoon.
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https://twitter.com/teddyboylocsin/status/781860535612563458 https://twitter.com/teddyboylocsin/status/781858413739253760 https://twitter.com/teddyboylocsin/status/781857277691043841 https://twitter.com/teddyboylocsin/status/781270729958494208 https://twitter.com/teddyboylocsin/status/781866769623330817 help I'm dying Zohar fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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I'm not at familiar with how the Philippine government works apart from it being kinda maybe styled after America's, but is there some way for the sane ones in it to get rid of Duterte without resorting to coups and poo poo? Can he have his lunatic rear end impeached?
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Deposing a president is... not unheard of. We did it to Erap Estrada in 2001. It was largely a recreation of the EDSA protest of 1986, except... in retrospect, I see now that this was inappropriate (and probably artificially induced by his opponents) as the situation at the time was nowhere near the same as that of Marcos. I've since come to regret my participation in that event (I was in high school, okay). I don't know that I'd like another EDSA. Duterte's not been conclusively proven to be involved in EJKs and I'm wary of having yet another rally to depose someone who hasn't explicitly become a dictator--EDSA 2 was bad enough at painting us as a country that has mistaken mob rule for democracy. I realize that this conflicts with my interest in Duterte not being president but this isn't really a simple issue.
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Duterte's Hitlerian remarks have hit global news by now, with Germany, and the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the Anti-Defamation League both issuing their condemnations.ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I'm not at familiar with how the Philippine government works apart from it being kinda maybe styled after America's, but is there some way for the sane ones in it to get rid of Duterte without resorting to coups and poo poo? Can he have his lunatic rear end impeached? EDIT: I'd like to preface this, and really, all my other posts, as being amateur analysis, with a liberal/leftist bias. I'm no expert, I'm just a dude who reads a lot and hangs out in D&D a lot, so take this with big fistfuls of salt. Impeachment is an option: The House initiates proceedings, the Senate holds trials on it. Joseph "Erap" Estrada, who was elected President in 1998, was brought up on plunder and corruption charges in late 2000. The impeachment trial reached a point where a supposed key piece of evidence against the President was held in an envelope, which Estrada's Senate allies moved to suppress. It came down to a vote on whether or not to open it, and when the vote came out against its opening, there was a spontaneous walk-out of the opposition, and within days people took to the streets to what became the Second EDSA Revolution. Whereas Nixon resigned before he was impeached, and whereas Clinton was impeached by the House but was acquitted by the Senate, Estrada resigned because the Senate exposed themselves as sell-outs, but the Senate proceedings never actually ran to their final conclusion. He was later convicted of plunder as a private citizen, sentenced to imprisonment, and spent several years in detention until Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, who had ascended to the Presidency following his ouster, granted him a full pardon. Another example I'd like to bring up is the impeachment of Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Renato Corona. Corona was a midnight appointment by President Macapagal-Arroyo, and the general belief was that he would move to block any attempt by Aquino's successor administration to prosecute her on corruption charges. So Corona himself was impeached, charged with a failure to completely disclose his personal wealth. The proceedings ran their course, and the Senate convicted him with a vote of 20-3, but not before the proceedings were plagued with scandals regarding alleged bribing of Senators with government pork in exchange for their votes to convict, especially since the case was considered by some to be slim/flimsy and largely politically motivated. With regards to impeachment being used on Duterte, the biggest problem is that his allies in Congress hold a majority, especially with the Speaker of the House being a staunch ally that's been using House probe committees as a demolition job against opposition Senator De Lima. That makes just getting the impeachment proceedings started near-impossible. In the Senate, nominally there shouldn't be an outright admin majority, but the vote to remove De Lima from her Justice Committee chairmanship went 14-3-2, which means that a lot of the "moderates/independents" are, to be frank, craven cowards. What complicates this further is that the Philippines votes on President and Vice President separately, such that our Vice President, Leni Robredo, is from the Liberal Party, which was the previous administration - the party of Benigno Aquino (and of De Lima). What this means is that any impeachment attempt is going to run into the issue of potentially delegitimizing the government via allegations that this was a plan by the Liberal Party to seize power from a President that was duly elected under fair elections. And that's besides the idea of impeachment and ouster itself being damaging to a country's democratic tradition and credentials. At bottom, it's going to take Duterte doing something completely beyond the pale for impeachment to happen: his allies need to have a strong, convincing reason to sever ties with the President, to distance themselves from him, and him specifically. And I'm pretty confident in saying that it's not going to be the Davao Death Squad allegations from his past, and maybe not even the current police policy that's resulting in extra-judicial killings. I get that "literally Hitler" would be beyond the pale for any other leader right then and there, but maybe it's still not going to be that, either - it'd have to be something on the scale of "the US defaults on its debt" as far as potentially blowing up the whole country. Maybe if he murders someone on national TV, or literally declares war on the US, or something. It'd have to be something to scare the moderates into taking action because they have more to lose staying with Duterte than they have to gain as his lapdogs. Unfortunately, that tipping point may yet be quite distant, and it might not matter if Duterte manages to dissolve Congress anyway while making a convincing case for it. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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Our local edition of Esquire ran a piece on misogyny and politics, as it relates to attacks made against Senator De Lima. I thought it'd be topical to share given the misogynistic streak that's also running through US politics this week.
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I wonder how and/or why the Philippines has now fallen twice to dictatorship and political instability despite having once been under America's wing. Wouldn't the US be more interested in looking out after the well-being of it's former, relatively well-treated colony? I apologize in advance if I already asked this.
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It's harder to intervene when the dictator was democratically elected.
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Grouchio posted:I wonder how and/or why the Philippines has now fallen twice to dictatorship and political instability despite having once been under America's wing. Wouldn't the US be more interested in looking out after the well-being of it's former, relatively well-treated colony? Let's be honest, do the US powers-that-be give much of a gently caress about anything overseas if it's not costing money/preventing making money and the US public isn't paying attention? To give another example - from what I understand most of the bombs that KSA is dropping in Qatar are US-made and it's a horrible war that we have no pragmatic interest in, but KSA pays well for the bombs so nothing is being done about that situation.
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The US is less interested in a foreign countries leaders democratic legitimacy, than they are with any of their own strategic interests. Marcos was fine because their bases were there, and the country was against communism. Noriega was fine until he suggested he would close the canal. Dutertes will be fine until he does something that materially affects American strategic interests, and unfortunately going full Hitler towards drug users does not qualify. Plus the Philippines just elected him and he appears to have legit 90% approval, so there isn't much for them to do anyways.
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Eletriarnation posted:To give another example - from what I understand most of the bombs that KSA is dropping in Qatar are US-made I can understand being mad about the World Cup selection process but holy poo poo guys
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Duterte is a funny man
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ocrumsprug posted:The US is less interested in a foreign countries leaders democratic legitimacy, than they are with any of their own strategic interests. Didn't he threaten to kick out the military? edit: I think it might be time for a LOLDuterte page. keevo fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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keevo posted:Didn't he threaten to kick out the military? He keeps that up and he will probably end up in trouble faster than anything else he is doing. (Trouble being a pretty open ended thing.)
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keevo posted:Didn't he threaten to kick out the military? He said that U.S. advisers stationed in Mindanao (the southern island with the different insurgent groups) should leave... even though there are only about 200 of them at most and they don't really leave the base, just assist the Armed Forces Philippines with surveillance and reconnaissance. Forcing the US advisers to leave would be a stupid move that hampers the AFP's ability to gather information on groups they're fighting, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. If he cancels the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement or (even worse) the Visiting Forces Agreement, though, I think he will end up in trouble-- but not with the United States, with his own military. They're already baffled and unhappy with some of his latest pronouncements about canceling joint exercises and patrols to placate China, if he kicks the US out altogether they will be really upset.
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Mozi posted:It's harder to intervene when the dictator was democratically elected. This is adorable.
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CronoGamer posted:He said that U.S. advisers stationed in Mindanao (the southern island with the different insurgent groups) should leave... even though there are only about 200 of them at most and they don't really leave the base, just assist the Armed Forces Philippines with surveillance and reconnaissance.
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It's cool that elected officials are telling the public "Actually Hitler had some good ideas" 
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And only when it suits them, of course. I think gradenko may have embedded this tweet earlier but Teddy Locsin was also against the reproductive health bill, on the grounds that reproductive health was a Nazi idea.
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I dont think making a political martyr out of Duterte is going to be any good. If hes ousted then his rhetoric wins, if hes not he gets to continue putting through his brand of insanity. Its a weird game where any time duterte serms like he might be losing he doubles down and rhetoricalizes it into a win. Which is great for him short term but horrifying for both him and the country in the long term. Whats his approval at now? IMO only a majority backed drive to get him out would have lasting effects on his wing of politics. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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Argue posted:And only when it suits them, of course. I think gradenko may have embedded this tweet earlier but Teddy Locsin was also against the reproductive health bill, on the grounds that reproductive health was a Nazi idea. Logic checks out: when women try to get me to wear a condom, it's basically genocide.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:This is adorable. These days, I mean. Obviously many contrary examples in the past. But the only way Dutere is leaving prematurely is by pressure from Phillipinos.
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Mozi posted:These days, I mean. This is adorable.
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nopantsjack posted:This is adorable. What was the most recent CIA backed coup out of curiosity
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Rigged Death Trap posted:IMO only a majority backed drive to get him out would have lasting effects on his wing of politics. Nah, have him found dead inside an underage prostitute with his face buried in a pile of cocaine.
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nopantsjack posted:This is adorable. So when Dutere says there is a CIA plot to kill him, you believe that?
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Mulva posted:Nah, have him found dead inside an underage prostitute with his face buried in a pile of cocaine. Would the implication be he filled them with cocaine and then crawled inside them like they were a dead taun taun
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http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/30/16/duterte-human-rights-is-anti-thesis-of-government posted:MANILA – President Rodrigo Duterte on Friday told cops to ignore criticisms from human rights groups, saying the concept of human rights is the “anti-thesis of government.” Not a day goes by And this one, from relatively famous columnist Jessica Zafra, is just sad. She doesn't name him, but here, she is speaking of her mentor, Teddy "I am a student of Naziism" Locsin. http://www.interaksyon.com/article/132926/jessica-zafra--obituary-for-the-formerly-brilliant posted:For a long time I have felt like a child whose beloved parent has dementia. I have watched as the sharp, shining intellect I had admired and respected was corrupted, dulled, and reduced to smearing excrement on the walls. Argue fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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Rigged Death Trap posted:
They haven't published any significant polls since the 91% one that came out in the first week of his presidency. New ones should be coming toward the end of the month though, which will be the first to reflect feelings toward how Duterte is actually doing.
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ANIME AKBAR posted:This is adorable. It's not the 50s anymore, get over it.
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:It's not the 50s anymore, get over it. Wasn't that a thing in the 80s too, in Central America?
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:It's not the 50s anymore, get over it.
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I don't envy the job of our envoy to the Philippine embassy in Germany. If this spun any more I'd know for sure I was in a dream: Don't worry guys, he didn't say he WOULD kill 3 million people, he just said he was WILLING to kill 3 million people. Totally different.
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Argue posted:And only when it suits them, of course. I think gradenko may have embedded this tweet earlier but Teddy Locsin was also against the reproductive health bill, on the grounds that reproductive health was a Nazi idea. I'm really curious about the reproductive health bill. My first assumption with it (probably because I'm an American) was that it had something to do with abortion or contraception. The way you guys talk abortion, at least, is completely out of it and some things in it are worded in such a way to make it clear that abortion is still very much not okay. So is it just something for expanding maternity wards and pre-/post- natal and increasing education about reproductive health issues? It is surprising to me that would be that contentious of an issue with what people have said the maternity wards at large hospitals there look like.
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:I'm really curious about the reproductive health bill. There was also supposed to be a provision for the government to subsidize and provide better access to contraceptives, such as condoms, but I'm not sure if that made it out of the Congressional deliberations.
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The influence of conservative Catholicism is still very potent in Philippine society. When one of the country's most prominent universities (which is both Catholic and the premier school for medical training) has blatantly spread misinformation on reproductive health practices per the testimony of one of the posters here and has actively campaigned against said bill when it was a major issue in the news, all bets are off when it comes to even starting a dialogue on the subject matter.
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I'm about to head to bed so I can't post anything new but if you want to learn more about the RH bill, you can filter down to my posts in the Southeast Asia thread to see some of my commentary as it was happening.
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Yeah we're not talking "free abortions 24/7", we're basically talking "being legal to sell condoms in Manila". The Executive Order 003 had declared that all public Healthcare in Manila had to be "natural family planning", practically outlawing supplying condoms, pills and IUDs for a large part of the population who got them through foreign aid, which got banned. I did my thesis on comparing local healtcare clinics inside Manila and clinics who were not covered by the EO, and the effects were startling, with a very large number of teenage pregnancies (13-14 yo) inside Manila. I went with some community outreach programs in Manila that were aiming to reduce the number of babies in the slums, and the only tools they were using was to teach about pulling out and safe periods. So yeah, not very simple. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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