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Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
Finished yandere kanojo, I thought that it was 100+ chapters but turns out half were dupes, and I was actually pretty close to the end before. Rare for a series to have such repeated drama bombs in a row without reaching a finale though I suppose, and while the final plot and characters introduced were...silly, the actual finale was wonderful. Overall a great series that handled a lot of topics shockingly well, aside from the chef and stuco president, there really weren't any characters I really did not enjoy. Hell, even the manager moved past his gimmick (albeit reluctantly) in the end! A bit of a shame manami and co fell off the face of the planet after she got rejected though.

The artwork wasn't great and yet maintained a lot of charm and variety for the characters, but man the artist just can't draw hands.

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Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
I feel like I've grown to like the president if only because he's such a dork and actually kind of sucks at everything (but he tries so hard!!) except for studying.

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

kaworu posted:

It's all an interesting set-up to me, though, but it really honestly may be because of personal reasons now that I think about it :(

It's alright, I admit people living regular lives is more relatable than yakuza/mafia/fantasy settings. Also, thanks for your commentary since a lot of BL readers are women and I have no idea how much of it is just BL tropes or not.

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022

Alder posted:

Also, thanks for your commentary since a lot of BL readers are women and I have no idea how much of it is just BL tropes or not.
:yeah:

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
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Captain Invictus posted:

but man the artist just can't draw hands.

That's true of a lot of manga, though.

The Colonel
Jun 8, 2013


I commute by bike!
that's true of a whoooole lot of artists in general

hands are hard

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Feet, also.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

edit: Perhaps I shouldn't go into all of this *after* all..

kaworu fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 1, 2016

Erg
Oct 31, 2010

i only lurk this thread sometimes for good BL or romcom recs but that sounds like an awful trainwreck you shouldn't share

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
Lull new BL fans with Itoshi no Nekkoke or jump them in with one of the less awful Harada series

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
I think almost anything by Kotetsuko Yamamoto is a good safe place to start as well.

e: new Horimyiya chapter is real cute :3:

Everything Burrito fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Oct 1, 2016

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Everything Burrito posted:

I think almost anything by Kotetsuko Yamamoto is a good safe place to start as well.

I find it sincerely upsetting that not a single one of her manga has been licensed and released in physical form (only licensed for sale via e-book officially) which means I haven't read it.


As a general question about reading manga,in ebook form, what is the *best* overall tablet/tablet size/tablet resolution for reading manga? See, my big problem with reading manga on a tablet is the basic problem I assume everyone has; when it is sized down so the entire page can fit on the tablet, the resolution isn't right and you can't properly read the dialogue and things obviously look pixelated and crappy. When you set the image to it's full resolution, you can read it properly, but the drat thing doesn't all fit on the page, so you have to use your fingers to move the page down eventually so you can see the whole page. Not only is this inconvenient, but with the creative way panels are sometimes laid out you may miss some key bit of dialogue at the bottom of the page if, say, the right-most panel goes all the way to the bottom of the page, and wind up confusing yourself, because the manga was designed for the eye too see the WHOLE page and to flow naturally across the page, and reading it on a tablet or on a computer seems to kind of... ruin it.

Like, I don't know about a lot of you guys, but I grew up on Calvin and Hobbes. Before I read *any* other comic, I had voraciously comsumed the entire canon of Calvin and Hobbes, I'd read and re-read every single strip about a dozen times, maybe. What I am remembering is one of the essays that Watterson wrote in his "10th Anniversary Collection", which was like a "best of" his strips with commentary and a slew of essays at the start. In one of those essays he was talking about the Sunday Papers, and how he had to fight to get the amount of physical space he wanted, in order for him to lay out the Sunday Panels *any way* he wanted, as opposed to in the previously very restricted fornat, And suddenly with the new sunday strips, he could do all this AMAZING stuff with the space.

One thing he talked about was the rhythm and the timing of the eye moving through and across the comic, and how that needs to organically flow. The use of negative space being *especially* key in terms of giving small pauses in the action or conversation, like someone waiting a beat before saying a line in a movie. And that timing is just SO important to the comedy and the flow of the strips.

And to me, the same is absolutely true of any manga, and it's the biggest reason *by far* that I am such a snobby purist about reading the actual physical copies. I feel as if you miss out on the natural timing of the book and how the eye is supposed to flow through the panels and the timing and whatnot being undisturbed. Again, on a computer you might not have scrolled down and thus the timing and flow utterly breaks down and you wind up having missed something or read it out of order... Maybe this doesn't happen often but it would happen enough to me :(

But if tablets are good enough where they can fit and entire manga page on it legibly and properly, tell me what the drat tablet is and sign me up. I mean, assuming there's one that isn't the price of a gaming PC, like an iPad - not that there is anything wrong with iPads.

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
I'm probably like the worst person to ask that because I read a ton of manga on my phone lol. I also have a 7" fire tablet that works great for me as well. I haven't really had any issues with manga looking crappy except when I end up with a poorly-done kindle version -- they tend to be older, and display 2 pages at once instead of 1 page and when you zoom in they're really pixeled and/or blurry and the dialogue is practically illegible. Those are the exception rather than the rule in my experience though and I just return them for a refund and go grab emanga's version if available. There's also the option of downloading to your computer and reading with something like CDisplay, which gives you options for how you want to display pages so if you want side-by-side spreads and to read R-L or 1 page vertical scrolling you can set it up however you want.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

You know, honestly, my fantasy is like a device with a screen big enough to read one full page legibly and an app that lets you load such emangas (or PDFs or folders of jpegs or whatever I've only ever had iphones!) and read them page by page in full resolution, just sliding to the next page with your finger. That would be great.

But I've really no clue what would do it. Which Kindle Fire could accomplish that. Any of them? Would I have to buy some oversized Samsung Galaxy?

Frankly it would increase the amount of good manga I could read DRAMATICALLY, because hardly ever being able to read scanlations is *extremely* limiting. But I'm also worried that I'd *still* despise reading manga on such a device. I really am a huge fan of real, physical books. It's why the walls of my room are lined with freaking ~700 volumes of this stuff that I've collected.

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde
Any Android tablet with the Comic Rack app installed would do. That's all I use mine for. The Kindle app is fine for manga as well.

Gnossiennes
Jan 7, 2013


Loving chairs more every day!

I have a 10" galaxy tab that works really well for manga.

But tbqh I read mostly on my phone.

Chillyrabbit
Oct 24, 2012

The only sword wielding rabbit on the internet



Ultra Carp

kaworu posted:

You know, honestly, my fantasy is like a device with a screen big enough to read one full page legibly and an app that lets you load such emangas (or PDFs or folders of jpegs or whatever I've only ever had iphones!) and read them page by page in full resolution, just sliding to the next page with your finger. That would be great.


I've used the Samsung Tab S 8.4 which was pretty good for reading manga in portrait mode, (broken now because I dropped it too hard :(). Most of the time you could easily read the text, but I have usually missed the little text expressions that are outside of the speech bubbles.

8 inches is the minimum screen size I would say, with obviously the bigger the better.

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

kaworu posted:

You know, honestly, my fantasy is like a device with a screen big enough to read one full page legibly and an app that lets you load such emangas (or PDFs or folders of jpegs or whatever I've only ever had iphones!) and read them page by page in full resolution, just sliding to the next page with your finger. That would be great.

But I've really no clue what would do it. Which Kindle Fire could accomplish that. Any of them? Would I have to buy some oversized Samsung Galaxy?

Frankly it would increase the amount of good manga I could read DRAMATICALLY, because hardly ever being able to read scanlations is *extremely* limiting. But I'm also worried that I'd *still* despise reading manga on such a device. I really am a huge fan of real, physical books. It's why the walls of my room are lined with freaking ~700 volumes of this stuff that I've collected.

I use a PC manga reader that has the ability to load next chapters depending on how it's labeled. Typically I'll read 2 pages at once because it feels more natural but for tablets I have my Nexus 7. I do have a separate manga reader app but due to space limitations I read using MangaRock nowadays. I will zoomin for small notes but otherwise the resolution looks fine to me.

A larger tablet would be OK but then again it'd be a pain to carry it around w/o a bag.

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

Everything Burrito posted:

I think almost anything by Kotetsuko Yamamoto is a good safe place to start as well.

e: new Horimyiya chapter is real cute :3:



w-woah

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
Y'all all apparently need to read Honto Yajuu right the gently caress now

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
Pronto Yajuu

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

kaworu posted:

You know, honestly, my fantasy is like a device with a screen big enough to read one full page legibly and an app that lets you load such emangas (or PDFs or folders of jpegs or whatever I've only ever had iphones!) and read them page by page in full resolution, just sliding to the next page with your finger. That would be great.

What's stopping you from doing this on your iPad? You can go full page in iBooks, even if you don't find some better manga app you prefer, no?

z0glin Warchief
May 16, 2007

Agronox posted:

What's stopping you from doing this on your iPad? You can go full page in iBooks, even if you don't find some better manga app you prefer, no?

I'm under the impression they don't have an iPad:

kaworu posted:

But if tablets are good enough where they can fit and entire manga page on it legibly and properly, tell me what the drat tablet is and sign me up. I mean, assuming there's one that isn't the price of a gaming PC, like an iPad - not that there is anything wrong with iPads.

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Oh, derp on my part, my bad I misread that.

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo
Cooking.

Subtext.

New chapter.

Go read: http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/shinmai_shimai_no_futari_gohan_ch11

Insurrectionist
May 21, 2007
Creme Brulee is good poo poo with too many accents to bother spelling right

Also good: cooking sisters

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Thanks for tips on the tabelets, guys - it helps a lot to hear what the experience of other people who also read manga since, er, it's probably not a common question that gets asked at, say, Best Buy. So I do appreciate it. \

And yeah, no iPad, just an iPhone 6. Which I guess would be big enough for some of you to read manga!'

I don't know, though. Even if I got a tablet specifically for reading manga, I don't know that I'd stop spending too much money on physical copies of yaoi because I just like collecting books so much.

But it really is a pain in the rear end when you move! I mean, I had to move this past summer, and Manga collection alone was literally 15 goddamn boxes (medium-ish boxes the ones for shipping wine that Whole Foods uses are like perfect for moving books) but on TOP of that I have a collection of normal books, of course, that required at least an additional 10 boxes. But I like having the walls of my bedroom literally lined with books and I finally got the seven freaking shelves/bookcases I needed to actually make it work, heh.

Anyway, I'll look around. I dunno though, for a Christmas Present it's that or a PS4 and playing the new Final Fantasy 15 with its incredibly homoerotic cast is near the top of my list, too.

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
Storage is definitely one of the benefits of going digital. My spare bedroom is covered in piles of books and manga I don't have shelf space for, so I try to be really selective of what I commit to buying on real paper. Plus it's super convenient when traveling, I read a couple of 4-5 volume series when I was on vacation last and all I had to pack was my phone.

There's also the aforementioned point that some titles are only licensed digitally so you're missing out on good stuff! I hope you can figure out something that's acceptable, although hell if you can afford it why not buy Japanese copies to support the author and see the art as intended, then go ahead and read some scans ;)

Compendium
Jun 18, 2013

M-E-J-E-D

drat, that color cover page is super cute.

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Everything Burrito posted:

Storage is definitely one of the benefits of going digital. My spare bedroom is covered in piles of books and manga I don't have shelf space for, so I try to be really selective of what I commit to buying on real paper. Plus it's super convenient when traveling, I read a couple of 4-5 volume series when I was on vacation last and all I had to pack was my phone.

There's also the aforementioned point that some titles are only licensed digitally so you're missing out on good stuff! I hope you can figure out something that's acceptable, although hell if you can afford it why not buy Japanese copies to support the author and see the art as intended, then go ahead and read some scans ;)

I know! SuBLime has all these digital-only releases that I would LOVE to read but I can't rationalize spending money on data. I'll $4 on a physical book but it feels hosed to be paying money for some nebulous "right" to own certain PDFs/JPGs, you know? Even with storage problems, now that I have all the bookshelves I need, it'll be really cool and perfect to have my whole collection properly stored and displayed. To wit, a picture of my collection right now - I am currently in the process of reorganizing the ENTIRE collection by the Author's last name, regardless of publisher (in the past I had organized by publisher, like all the BLU titles together and all the oversized DMG/June together and so on, both so the spines would match up and because my collection was too big).

So now I have enough bookshelves all in a row and I am painstakingly and carefully trying to get everyone in the right place. You notice which authors get lots of stuff licensed - like I have a TON of Hinako Takanaga (everything by her that got licensed actually), a revolting amount of Makoto Tateno, Nadouki Koujima, Shiuko Kano, Ayano Yamane, Youka Nitta, Kazuma Kodaka, Yukine Honami + (some illustrator), ... Probably a few more get into the high range but it seems like those authors got a loooot of coverage. I got a lot of my collection from buying cheap ebay collections of certain books at opportune times and reselling the valuable extras I got on Ebay for a profit to buy more yaoi and keep the ball rolling, so I very rarely spend real money on my yaoi, just the "yaoi" money in my paypal.

Just for fun here's a shot I took of the bookcase-lined wall with the organization in progress...



That's not even my full BL/yaoi collection, either, there like 6 big stacks of books out of frame >_< On the the far wall are more bookcases with real books. And of course, I prefer to light my room with Christmas lights (in this case they are purple and orange halloween lights). I find lighting my room with five or six hundred tiny little glimmering lights is FAR nicer and softer and better than using one or two harsh bright lights. Harsh bright bare light bulbs are terrible.

Oh, please note that I have *complete* collections of ZE by Yuki Shumizu, Tyrant Falls in Love *and* the complete preceding shounen ai series, Challengers, by Hinako Takanaga. As well as all of Hey, Class President! by Kaori Monchi (which is almost too drat hot to have been licensed and printed in English IMO) as well as all of the smutty and kind of lame but coveted Private Teacher by Yuu Moegi. But at least the sex scenes are hot and totally uncensored in volumes 1 and 2! Anyway I know my collection isn't really anything special - but probably not many *male* yaoi fans go this far. I mean, I'm sure there are some others like me...

I also gotta figure out where to shelve my *other* manga like some of Berserk and some of X (Tokyo Babylon is definitely shounen ai) or my other CLAMP stuff, or my Death Note volumes, etc. Gonna need another special shelf for them..

kaworu fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Oct 2, 2016

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.
here for the shoujo and josei, less for the proud displays of porn collections

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

the wall of BL is under my protection

Erg
Oct 31, 2010

you're not fooling anyone with those magnum XXXLs

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022
Most BL is too censored to be porn anyway, it's not really porny when they don't even draw the dicks.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

another very horrifying ogeha chapter

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Davincie posted:

another very horrifying ogeha chapter
Fat guy wasn't dead? He's as good as dead now, though.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

yeah tbh i thought having the giant bugs up your stomach would kill you, but apparently not. maybe they just kinda attached themselves to him and mind controlled? well whatever its not important and it made for a top notch home invasion horror chapter

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Did i miss Hana and Hina After School chapter 11 being mentioned? Well, it's out.

In which Hana plans to ask Hina out on a date, while simultaneously being confused by someone claiming to be her ex-girlfriend, the dunderhead.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Davincie posted:

yeah tbh i thought having the giant bugs up your stomach would kill you, but apparently not. maybe they just kinda attached themselves to him and mind controlled? well whatever its not important and it made for a top notch home invasion horror chapter
oh no doubt that scene straight up sent chills up my spine, that was super well done, it's a right proper creepy-in-a-horror-sense manga.

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Alder
Sep 24, 2013

kaworu posted:

I know! SuBLime has all these digital-only releases that I would LOVE to read but I can't rationalize spending money on data. I'll $4 on a physical book but it feels hosed to be paying money for some nebulous "right" to own certain PDFs/JPGs, you know? Even with storage problems, now that I have all the bookshelves I need, it'll be really cool and perfect to have my whole collection properly stored and displayed.

Digital manga tends to be cheaper than actual volumes though. I mean I'd have a huge collection if I could pay $4-5 each but $10 each time is a bit much since I can read 1 vol/hr. I do read simulpub release of new manga since it's approx $2 and I like to support my favorite manga-ka. The real downside is how doujin is never released via ebooks and :10bux:

Initially Ebooks felt weird to me since I like reading but over time I adapted since almost all games are digital too like for PSN. I do like selling old games I've played but nowadays I just wait for sales and hope my memory card will live another day.

Another example would be how PS4 handles their games as you're going to d/l the game anyways except the disk would verify you own it. Hence I'm debating if I want to get the digital LE for FFXV or just wait for a sale.

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