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Hypnolobster posted:Got a whole bunch of 10+ year old roughsawn (circular mill) cherry for free 2 weeks ago, so I made a kitchen helper thing for my niece. GREAT SCOTT! 
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:
I forgot to post this,  which perfectly illustrates why I love the ridiculously overpriced but still-cheaper-than-a-domino Dowelmax. A couple minutes making a registration fence let me make a 3/4" reveal, and then stacking some other stock dowelmax parts gave me the 2" reveal I needed as well. All the dowel holes drilled in the other stock is perfectly centered and registered, so I didn't have to do any measuring for layout of the joinery except in one direction. e: holy poo poo this thing has 58 2" dowels in it. 
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Oct 1, 2016 18:40
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Hi DIY&H this is my first post here ever I think. Anyway I have been accumulating materials and cheap tools for a while and like to make goofy stuff sometimes. I made this table that has springs for legs yesterday. It is surprisingly stable but jiggles like a bobblehead all the time which has made for some real laughs with the roommates. I got the elements for it from the inside of a couch I was given for free. Cheers http://imgur.com/a/Lidyf
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Oct 1, 2016 19:12
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RadioPassive posted:I can't get my dull jointer knives out. I tried prying it every which way, smashing it with a mallet and block of wood, penetrating lubricant, and an acetylene torch. My life and day job got real busy and I never had a chance to come back to this. Finally solved it this morning:  I removed the cutter head and drove a screwdriver between the wedge and cutterhead with a mallet. Only then did the wedges finally pop out. I'm taking this opportunity to de-rust, clean, and lubricate everything while it's disassembled. I can finally loving sharpen the knives. What a massive pain in the rear end this has been.
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Oct 1, 2016 20:31
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The XKCD Larper posted:Hi DIY&H this is my first post here ever I think. Anyway I have been accumulating materials and cheap tools for a while and like to make goofy stuff sometimes. I made this table that has springs for legs yesterday. It is surprisingly stable but jiggles like a bobblehead all the time which has made for some real laughs with the roommates. I got the elements for it from the inside of a couch I was given for free. Cheers Suck it Fine Woodworking!
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Oct 1, 2016 20:42
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Hypnolobster posted:
What the hell were you trying to accomplish with this? One drawbore peg is enough, so I'm assuming this is in lieu of tenons?
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Oct 1, 2016 20:43
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GEMorris posted:What the hell were you trying to accomplish with this? One drawbore peg is enough, so I'm assuming this is in lieu of tenons? Yeah. Dowel joinery is a thing, I'm not drawboring the everliving gently caress out of something.
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Oct 1, 2016 22:55
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I wish I had that jig instead of this bit of plywood with holes in it for marking. Dowel joinery is awesome and I'm never using screws or nails again.
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Oct 1, 2016 23:07
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learnincurve posted:I wish I had that jig instead of this bit of plywood with holes in it for marking. They're really awesome, but definitely expensive as hell. The owner is also sort of an rear end in a top hat. I still love it though, and in the usual 1/2 - 1" stock it's about as strong as mortise and tenons (or stronger if you believe the Dowelmax people, which I don't) and very fast. They have the Dowelmax Jr. now, but it seems a lot less convenient.
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Oct 1, 2016 23:11
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I was looking at the prices and it's £250 over here, from my searching I'm not overly impressed at the choice we have vs what's available over in the americas either. Going to stick with doing it the old and slow way with dowel centers and a ruler. Still less of a pain than any other joint and just as solid if you have the right dowel pins and glue.
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Oct 1, 2016 23:28
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What does the Dowelmax do that a self-centering dowel jig (like this one) can't do? Just a wider capacity?
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Oct 1, 2016 23:30
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:What does the Dowelmax do that a self-centering dowel jig (like this one) can't do? Just a wider capacity? It's a little more accurate, but the big deal is it has really perfect reference faces, so you can set up different offsets and drill dowel holes that reference off eachother instead of pencil marks. You can also do miters, as well as using it out in the middle of a panel instead of just edges. It's not self centering, but that means it's a lot more accurate as long as you're careful with how you use it. It'll do weird stuff like this in a pinch  or normal but large stuff like this  and all the goofy nonsense that they have on the Dowelmax website.
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Oct 1, 2016 23:47
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The XKCD Larper posted:Hi DIY&H this is my first post here ever I think. Anyway I have been accumulating materials and cheap tools for a while and like to make goofy stuff sometimes. I made this table that has springs for legs yesterday. It is surprisingly stable but jiggles like a bobblehead all the time which has made for some real laughs with the roommates. I got the elements for it from the inside of a couch I was given for free. Cheers Did you power plane that with all those drywall screws in there?  I kinda like it, it's definitely a step up from a wire spool.
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Oct 1, 2016 23:54
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Hot take: dowel joinery is really lovely and you should just make real tenons
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Oct 2, 2016 00:04
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GEMorris posted:Hot take: dowel joinery is really lovely and you should just make real tenons It's not Real Woodworking unless you built the tools yourself from ore you mined yourself, fired in a kiln you built yourself, forged on your homemade anvil with your homemade hammer, and applied to wood that you chopped down, stripped, sawed, and planed by hand. In other words, there's a huge range of valid ways to do woodworking. Let people work at whatever level they like best. I might be more impressed by "real" mortise-and-tenon joinery, but that's just because I know it's more work, not because it creates an objectively better product. Pocket-hole screws are similar; are they worse in some way than normal joinery? Sure, but they're still more than good enough for most applications, and the average persoen won't even notice either way.
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Oct 2, 2016 00:11
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Dowels are super non structural as only about 20-30% of the glue surface is actually effective and the rest is end-grain-to-edge-grain which is super weak. So yeah. Dowels are lovely. Real mortise and tenon joinery is objectively better as any study about joint strength will show. Keep trying tho.
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GEMorris posted:Hot take: dowel joinery is really lovely and you should just make real tenons Also I bought a bandsaw last. e: nevermind. If you want to have feelings on joinery that's fine. Hypnolobster fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Oct 2, 2016 00:24
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Tenons aren't the end all bee all joint, they're just better than terrible dowel joinery
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Oct 2, 2016 00:27
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Kreg screws 4 life.
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Oct 2, 2016 00:42
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I would argue that for small end tables then mortice and tenon is a bit overkill, but if you are making a double wardrobe then dowels might not be the best plan. Both are still better than using screws because using screws is cheating.
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Oct 2, 2016 00:49
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All my joints are just wrapped in electrical tape.
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Oct 2, 2016 01:23
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Slugworth posted:All my joints are just wrapped in electrical tape. Try zig zags.
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Oct 2, 2016 01:40
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Just hock a big phlegmy blob of sinus pudding into your butt joint and you're good to go
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Oct 2, 2016 03:50
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The bookshelf is done! Took your guys' advice about the sliding dovetails and tenons. Apologizes for the lovely camera and lovely lighting. The bottom shelf is 3/4" off the ground and I'm already regretting not putting an apron in front to prevent dust accumulation underneath, but I had designed this whole thing with this century-old hardwood flooring underneath it that I knew wouldn't let the shelf lay flush on the ground. Any suggestions? I'm renting, so no I can't refinish the floor.  A tea box I made earlier in the summer is the main decoration, but within the week this thing is going to be stuffed with books and succulents.  With all this walnut this was definitely my most expensive project, but once I put the teak oil on I didn't regret it. Look at all those swirls @v@  My first carving project, a tea flower for housing my massive tea collection. Using a single knife made the results... a little rough around the edges. There's always next time.  The sliding dovetails (3/4", 7º) make this thing really sturdy for how sparse it is but I hid them because I was worried about how clean they'd look.
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Oct 2, 2016 04:01
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Apologies for being a joinery snob.
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Anyone have a set of plans for a small box that they'd recommend for a beginner that might result in a box worth giving as a gift? I get that this is fairly google-able, but I figured someone here might have a good suggestion.
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Nice work. GEMorris posted:Apologies for being a joinery snob. Should have used extra fancy dowels 
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Slugworth posted:Anyone have a set of plans for a small box that they'd recommend for a beginner that might result in a box worth giving as a gift? I get that this is fairly google-able, but I figured someone here might have a good suggestion. Actually the Wood Whisperer has several excellent videos ... here are 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vfYSjiECRk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LREBFMFyu4w
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wormil posted:Nice work. 
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The XKCD Larper posted:Hi DIY&H this is my first post here ever I think. Anyway I have been accumulating materials and cheap tools for a while and like to make goofy stuff sometimes. I made this table that has springs for legs yesterday. It is surprisingly stable but jiggles like a bobblehead all the time which has made for some real laughs with the roommates. I got the elements for it from the inside of a couch I was given for free. Cheers As Paul Sellers says, "It's not what you make, it's how you make it." I would have put casters on the springs so I can chase my beer across the living room. Project Bench Stool continues. It took 2 weeks in my spare time to cut and plane all the bits, but finally the mortises are chopped and the tenons are cut. Naturally they are loose and riddled with gaps, but I think it will hold together. Learned a lot of basic techniques, though I'm an idiot child compared to the cool stuff you guys can do. Pretty confident the next one will be better!
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My name was changed by FactsAreUseless in the GBS thread. Probably some meta critique of my posting... The Black & Decker Workmate seems to fit my available space quite well. Thank you for the recommendation, learnincurve. I'd say our workspace is about the same.   Here is my godawful first dovetail joint. Some times it seemed like the chisel may have been crushing the wood instead of cutting. Maybe with this wood (especially) I need to pare away the waste before moving down to the desired final depth. I goofed in some areas and did not press the chisel in a manner where the grain was being compacted. My saw lines were not really straight. Any other hot tips to help me along?   My meh quality chisels are not flat on the bottom and neither is the face on one of them. Might be able to square them up with a lot of sanding. My smallest chisel (the OK quality one) seems flat on the bottom and front face, but it is so narrow that I had difficulty keeping the front face flat to the stone. It frequently skipped across the stone. Do you all recommend using one of those clamping aids? (I'm concerned that the clamping force will screw up the side edge, and maybe I should just 'get good'. My fingertips were not too happy after sharpening. )
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Sometimes it really is the tools. What you want is a backsaw or a dovetail saw, Stanley ones are £5-10 on Amazon, but I've always used a coping saw. Some stuff to add to your basket. Coping saw: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0001K9Q6S Sharpening set for chisels and planes: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000Y8OM48 Gorilla glue: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008ESKPKA
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TheDon01 posted:Did you power plane that with all those drywall screws in there? Hehe, yup, I used the drill to make sure that the screws were good and deep in the wood before planing, the only thing that hit the screw tops was a belt sander. In extreme cases I just removed the screw, sanded the region, then put it back in there Much respect for all the woodworkers out there, I just am a dude without great tools who likes to make stuff every now and then. Love the suggestion to put it on casters... i kinda want it to not run away tho, thats a bit much.
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I have a set of sharpening stones (140, 400, 1000, 5000, 12000, iirc), just not that honing guide. Top saw is the one I used. Just got the bottom saw today, maybe that will be better for smaller cuts? 
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Unless those are very flexible it's just a case of practice really, or you could be a wuss like me and use a jigsaw.
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I don't know anything about woodworking, but I have always been intrigued by it. I would really like to make some nesting boxes for birds as well as things like bee boxes, bat boxes, and other wildlife-oriented projects. I would also like to eventually be able to build a chicken coop, though that seems well beyond my reach. Bird houses I think are "baby's first DIY" for a lot of kids, so I'm hoping I could manage that despite my complete lack of experience. What are the very basic tools that someone would need for projects like this? I don't want to spend much money until I've tried a couple projects and see if this is something I'll actually enjoy or if it's something I'll just enjoy the idea of enjoying, if that makes sense. Also a browse of a few pages of this thread is amazing. You are some talented goons. I really love the tea box especially as someone with a big collection of my own.
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Enfys posted:I don't know anything about woodworking, but I have always been intrigued by it. I would really like to make some nesting boxes for birds as well as things like bee boxes, bat boxes, and other wildlife-oriented projects. I would also like to eventually be able to build a chicken coop, though that seems well beyond my reach. Bird houses I think are "baby's first DIY" for a lot of kids, so I'm hoping I could manage that despite my complete lack of experience. Heck, for the most simple joinery get yourself a fine-toothed saw (this one rips and crosscuts nicely), a combination square and a power drill.
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Others would have to help you with the hard stuff but for materials stainless steel screws/hinges and wood are the basics, please please read this: http://www.mdvaden.com/bird_page.shtml no wood glue, and don't stain or varnish either. Birds are fragile little shits, and for animals that evolved to live in trees a surprising amount of woods will kill them.
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For simple bird houses? Materials: You should probably buy some thin-ish planks of solid wood, probably not thicker than 1", but also thick enough that you can screw/nail into the side of them. Plywood and other engineered wood will bend and disintegrate in weird ways when it gets wet for too long. Decide on whether you want to screw or nail them together, screws are probably easier, but nails require less tools. Whichever you choose, they should be at least twice the length as the thickness of your material. Make sure you have a work surface. A regular table may do, but keep in mind it can take damage from your tools, consider getting a sacrificial plate to lay on top, that can just be cheap particle board with a laminate surface. Get a regular hand saw for crosscutting. You will need a drill, any cheap one should be fine for casual work. If you want to use it with screwdriver bits, it's best to use one with a torque limiting head, most often found on non-impact cordless drills. Hole saws or spade bits for the entry holes to the birdhouse. Remember the holes need to be correctly sized for the birds you intend the house for. If you're using screws, you should also get drills to pre-drill holes, to prevent the wood from cracking. The drill needs to be about the diameter of the core of the screw you're using. Screwdriver, screwdriver bits set, or hammer, as appropriate. Clamps to hold things fast while sawing and drilling. And also what the others said. nielsm fucked around with this message at 11:47 on Oct 2, 2016 |
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Enfys posted:I don't know anything about woodworking,... Do stuff, make mistakes, just try not to get hurt. Joint work is awesome. Metal brackets don't really add the sturdiness that good joinery provides. Birdhouses and such can get by with simple flat wood + screw/nail, but for your chickencoop or other things that need to bear a load or stand up to strong winds you will need more advanced structural knowledge.
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