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Erdogan's purge rolls on. Soon there won't be much left at this rate.
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Charlie Wilson's War is on HBO this month, looked up his wiki because I had a moment. This stood out to me:Wikipedia posted:After Sunday's service, his widow Barbara welcomed a small group of her late husband's intimates to their home on the golf course in Lufkin. Next to an American eagle sculpture in the living room, the words of Abdur Rahman Khan, emir of Afghanistan from 1880 to 1901, are emblazoned on a brass plaque: "My spirit will remain in Afghanistan even though my soul will go to God. My last words to you my son and successor are: Never Trust the Russians." http://www.dallasnews.com/obituaries/obituaries/2010/02/15/20100214-Memorial-attendees-remember-Charlie-Wilson-with-6073 That's a hell of an epitaph. even for the Cold War. Shooting Blanks fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Oct 4, 2016 22:55
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Rodrigo Duterte tells Obama to go to hell, again threatens to pivot to Russia or China.
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Oct 4, 2016 23:09
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Sperglord Actual posted:Rodrigo Duterte tells Obama to go to hell, again threatens to pivot to Russia or China. This is gonna end in a coup isnt it?
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Oct 5, 2016 03:07
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LingcodKilla posted:This is gonna end in a coup isnt it? lol yeah
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Oct 5, 2016 03:15
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Obama gonna become the president of the Phillipines for his third term.
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Sperglord Actual posted:Erdogan's purge rolls on. Soon there won't be much left at this rate. hm ok let's fire a large group of people with basic firearms training and close ties to criminals this will end well
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Oct 5, 2016 03:56
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Smiling Jack posted:hm ok let's fire a large group of people with basic firearms training and close ties to criminals Basic? The cops were fighting attack helicopters with submachine guns during the coup. It was badass.
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my kinda ape posted:Basic? The cops were fighting attack helicopters with submachine guns during the coup. It was badass. BTW I talked to an ex marine cobra pilot and he said they definitely can take small arms fire with low risk to the pilot. *reignites 6 pages of arguing about this*
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my kinda ape posted:Basic? The cops were fighting attack helicopters with submachine guns during the coup. It was badass. that kinda speaks to them having zero military training Realtalk: Erdogan heavily politicized the police force in Turkey specifically as a counter military coup force but they really really didn't have the training or equipment to go head to head with a real army. even European countries with semi-military national police forces (Gendarmerie, Carabineri, Soviet-Era MVD) couldn't take on a fully supported military coup.
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Oct 5, 2016 04:34
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also never mistake enthusiasm with competence
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Oct 5, 2016 04:35
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CarForumPoster posted:BTW I talked to an ex marine cobra pilot and he said they definitely can take small arms fire with low risk to the pilot. btw i talked to an ex apache pilot and 30 of his friends and they all said they can definitely take small arms fire with low risk to the surrounding marshes
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brains posted:btw i talked to an ex apache pilot and 30 of his friends and they all said they can definitely take small arms fire with low risk to the surrounding marshes  ... that happened 13 loving years ago holy poo poo I'm old
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Oct 5, 2016 04:53
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The Army probably staged the attempted coup when it did because it learned about Erdogan's purge list and realized it was now or never.
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Oct 5, 2016 05:23
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Smiling Jack posted:that kinda speaks to them having zero military training I never said it was a *good* idea, just that they clearly knew how to fire their weapons 
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Oct 5, 2016 05:27
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brains posted:btw i talked to an ex apache pilot and 30 of his friends and they all said they can definitely take small arms fire with low risk to the surrounding marshes I dunno if 7.62x54 is really "small arms" Syria would have went better for the rebels if they had an "old man with a Mosin" force to stop the barrel bombings e- and oldie but a goodie
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VikingSkull posted:I dunno if 7.62x54 is really "small arms" Though that was gonna be the Mi-8 getting hit with a Strela midair to crazed chants of ALLAH AKHBAR only for the smoke to clear and it slowly fly away
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Oct 5, 2016 13:04
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Smiling Jack posted:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_attack_on_Karbalaquote:Apache "Vampire 12", flown by Warrant Officers David S. Williams and Ronald D. Young Jr., was forced down into a marsh after gunfire severed the hydraulics. The air commander's radio was also hit, preventing communication with the other helicopters. Attempting to flee the crash scene, both men swam down a canal, but were captured by armed civilians. The Iraqi government would later show the helicopter on TV and claim that it had been shot down by a farmer with a Brno rifle; however due to the high volume of anti-aircraft fire and the armor of the Apache, it is unlikely that a bolt-action rifle was responsible.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:11
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23mm and 57mm autocannons are not in the same category as submachine guns.
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Not with that attitude.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:15
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Who remembers the post 9-11 freakout that FIFTY CALLYBER RIFLES CAPABLE OF SHOOTING DOWN A 747 CAN BE PURCHASED AT WAL MART Black powder muzzle loaders are a hell of a thing.
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Mortabis posted:23mm and 57mm autocannons are not in the same category as submachine guns. This is a fair point but some of those Apaches did indeed get damaged by small caliber arms. The pilot of one was even wounded by a round from an AKM.
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Suspect Bucket posted:Who remembers the post 9-11 freakout that FIFTY CALLYBER RIFLES CAPABLE OF SHOOTING DOWN A 747 CAN BE PURCHASED AT WAL MART Sadly I remember this. I also remember the counter-argument "WORLD WAR 2 AIRCRAFT WERE OFTEN RIDDLED WITH .50 BULLETS AND NOT SHOT DOWN"
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Oct 5, 2016 21:41
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Vaguely airpower related - Nigeria destroying oil wells from a chopper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD4Kz94u7iA CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 21:45
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let's strap rockets to stuff and see how fast they go
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CarForumPoster posted:Vaguely airpower related - Nigeria destroying oil wells from a chopper Safe!
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CarForumPoster posted:Vaguely airpower related - Nigeria destroying oil wells from a chopper That's gotta be good for the ol' ecosystem!
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Oct 5, 2016 23:39
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I think those are illegal refineries, not wells. I read an article a ways back about the illegal oil trade in Nigeria and I guess these dudes just tap straight into the pipeline, steal the crude, and refine it out in the woods. It's like Breaking Bad with oil.
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Oct 5, 2016 23:52
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Kesper North posted:That's gotta be good for the ol' ecosystem! it's ok, we towed it outside the environment nothing out there but sea, birds, and a fire
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Akion posted:I think those are illegal refineries, not wells. I read an article a ways back about the illegal oil trade in Nigeria and I guess these dudes just tap straight into the pipeline, steal the crude, and refine it out in the woods. I saw this documentary too! It was very good. One dude sued BP in the Hague and won iirc
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WOW http://www.guns.com/2016/10/05/60-year-old-sealed-drums-found-to-have-perfectly-preserved-bombsights-inside-videos/
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Oct 6, 2016 03:34
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thermite grenades, huh you aren't fooling me, everyone knows Nordens can't melt ball bearing factories
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http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-is-a-real-tweet-from-the-russian-embassy-in-the-un-1787437075 Idiocy of this aside, I'm sure the EW/SEAD community is anxious to sniff these acquisition radars. Diplomatically it's a 'facepalm' moment, but militarily, it's "hey, while you're at it, bring down S-400s too! Can you make them all current variants, too? Pretty please?" Of course, given how aggressively they're trying to market S-300 to everyone whose check will clear, I'm *totally* sure this isn't a way to try and demonstrate its efficacy in tracking and/or engaging the Raptor. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 10:41
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think they'd get mad if we sent non-uniformed ghost type dudes in to whack the SAM site, and then claim we weren't involved? I dunno Vlad, it was lil green men I guess
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VikingSkull posted:think they'd get mad if we sent non-uniformed ghost type dudes in to whack the SAM site, and then claim we weren't involved? That's when they lock up (but don't fire on) a B-1 pulling bomb truck duty and claim "oh poo poo, we thought it was the UFO carrying the Little Green Men," or more plausibly, a "training session gone awry, where they thought they were running a simulation, but Sergei flipped the wrong switch."
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BIG HEADLINE posted:That's when they lock up (but don't fire on) a B-1 pulling bomb truck duty and claim "oh poo poo, we thought it was the UFO carrying the Little Green Men," or more plausibly, a "training session gone awry, where they thought they were running a simulation, but Sergei flipped the wrong switch." lol not alien lil green men, I was tooling on them sending unmarked troops into Ukraine
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Random question: is there a reason the PAK FA doesn't have a NATO reporting name yet? The Su-47 and MiG-1.44 each had one and they flew maybe a dozen times between them. Do we just not give those out anymore?
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VikingSkull posted:think they'd get mad if we sent non-uniformed ghost type dudes in to whack the SAM site, and then claim we weren't involved? If you're willing to have those ghost type dudes covertly inserted, attempt to infiltrate through hundreds of kilometres of regime/ISIS held territory and face the probable outcome of getting overrun and wiped out by the mechanised battalion stationed at Tartus, and then having to send the secretary of state to Damascus to negotiate the bodies back, then sure, give it a go. Amongst the kinetic options in dealing with those Russian assets, the use of ground forces is really, really, really not credible.
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