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I caught the tail-end of tonight's Duterte speech and it's hard to pick out what's going to be the next headline: - Telling Obama to go to hell. "I will never kneel down to America, do your worst" - "You call me Hitler? Okay, fine, then I am Hitler" - "I do not like elections because narcopolitics has set in", implying that campaigns of opponents will be funded by drug money - Quadrupling down on giving pardons to policemen so that "they will not be afraid anymore". "Invoke your right to remain silent, and no Senator, no Congressman will ever get to question you. I will take care of it"
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Don't forget: "My father was one of the two who stood by Marcos in his darkest hours. Everybody was shifting to the Liberal (Party)." I'm pretty sure "darkest hours" here refers to the EDSA revolution. "You'd notice that extrajudicial killing was never an issue against me, not even during the debates." Completely untrue. "Incessant use of shabu [meth] will shrink the brain, thus rehabilitation is not a viable option." Oh dear.
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Oct 4, 2016 11:45
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gradenko_2000 posted:I caught the tail-end of tonight's Duterte speech and it's hard to pick out what's going to be the next headline: Sorry about your crazy bastard president, Philippines.
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Oct 4, 2016 12:18
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It'd be the sweetest thing to have China give Duterte the cold shoulder in Beijing this month because they also don't want to antagonize the US, political rivalry be damned. That probably won't happen, though it's nice to imagine Duterte's breakdown then.
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Oct 4, 2016 12:28
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Did anyone tell Duterte that comparing himself to Hitler, greatest slaughterer of Russians in history, when attempting to curry favour with Russia is probably not that great of an idea yet?
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Oct 4, 2016 12:31
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Eej posted:Did anyone tell Duterte that comparing himself to Hitler, greatest slaughterer of Russians in history, when attempting to curry favour with Russia is probably not that great of an idea yet? He's probably hoping to get half of Poland from Putin.
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Oct 4, 2016 12:40
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Eej posted:Did anyone tell Duterte that comparing himself to Hitler, greatest slaughterer of Russians in history, when attempting to curry favour with Russia is probably not that great of an idea yet? Maybe if it was decades ago Russians would give a poo poo about that. Maybe.
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Oct 4, 2016 13:57
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I love all the Catholic reactionaries who think murdering drug users is good, and that Duterte being responsible for police murder is just liberal lies at the same time.
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Oct 4, 2016 19:58
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toasterwarrior posted:It'd be the sweetest thing to have China give Duterte the cold shoulder in Beijing this month because they also don't want to antagonize the US, political rivalry be damned. That probably won't happen, though it's nice to imagine Duterte's breakdown then. This will only happen if Duterte insults Xi and all his ancestors within the week. Which, with this guy, is a distinct possibility.
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Oct 4, 2016 20:59
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lilljonas posted:He's probably hoping to get half of Poland from Putin. Jesus Christ, Polish-Filipino fusion cuisine. 
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Oct 4, 2016 21:07
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http://aje.io/26q8 Told Obama to go to hell. Twice. Then suggested he's going to Russia
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Oct 4, 2016 23:09
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I personally cannot wait for Beijing to act receptive to Duterte, release statements about their admiration of his effective governance in reducing drug crime, etc. Followed by Duterte kicking out out US troops and requesting the navy stay out of Philippines water to avoid antagonising his new bestie Xi. Followed by China suddenly claiming the Spratly's and every other disputed island on short order and explaining that disputes are ended there is now need for bilateral talks as they are perfectly happy with the situation. Of course by that time it's possible Duterte will have been overthrown in a violent revolution after the death toll starts topping the high 10ks. And all patriotic Filipinos can talk about that no good rear end in a top hat sold them out China and how terrible noone could possibly have seen it coming.
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Oct 4, 2016 23:19
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Anyone keeping numbers on how many died so far? How bad is it?
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Oct 5, 2016 00:24
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Fizzil posted:Anyone keeping numbers on how many died so far? How bad is it? 3,500 is the most recent number I've heard, but any figure is going to be questionable simply because there's no way to accurately attribute actual, sanctioned extra-judicial killings vs. one rear end in a top hat killing another and putting a sign on his chest saying "Drug Pusher" http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/145814-numbers-statistics-philippines-war-drugs
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Oct 5, 2016 01:23
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Shooting Blanks posted:3,500 is the most recent number I've heard, but any figure is going to be questionable simply because there's no way to accurately attribute actual, sanctioned extra-judicial killings vs. one rear end in a top hat killing another and putting a sign on his chest saying "Drug Pusher" The PNP came out after that announcement and revised their numbers down by several hundred. But offered absolutely no explanation of why. that should give you a good sense of how reliably anyone is able to track this
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Oct 5, 2016 01:49
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What is the level of PINOY PRIDE about tonight's US debate moderator
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Oct 5, 2016 02:09
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CommieGIR posted:http://aje.io/26q8 MrNemo posted:I personally cannot wait for Beijing to act receptive to Duterte, release statements about their admiration of his effective governance in reducing drug crime, etc. Followed by Duterte kicking out out US troops and requesting the navy stay out of Philippines water to avoid antagonising his new bestie Xi. wow, he is gonna get himself couped(and then probably murdered) now. It doesnt help that he wants to be Hitler and thinks human rights are bad. but now he biting uncle sams hand hard and if he keeps doing it, he is gooing to get a swat and by swat i mean two bullets in the head and his body dragged about the streets.
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Oct 5, 2016 12:21
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“Can't we just drone this guy?" - Hillary Clinton, on Rodrigo Duterte, probably
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Oct 5, 2016 12:25
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If only we could have a mass murderer in charge who knows which country calls the shots.
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Oct 5, 2016 12:49
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#1 Washington Post ran a piece on a near-victim of an extra-judicial death squad that avoided death by playing dead. #2 Let's do a round-up of post-Obama-go-to-hell reactions: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/583870/news/nation/panelo-duterte-s-go-to-hell-comment-vs-obama-just-hyperbole quote:Chief presidential legal counsel Salvador Panelo on Wednesday dismissed as hyperbole the latest statement of President Rodrigo Duterte telling US President Barack Obama, a critic of his bloody war on drugs, to "go to hell." http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/583893/news/nation/duterte-s-go-to-hell-versus-obama-just-an-expression-sotto-says quote:Senate Majority Leader Vicente Sotto III on Wednesday downplayed President Rodrigo Duterte’s “go to hell” remark against US President Barack Obama. http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/583884/news/nation/duterte-may-break-up-with-us-in-the-future-palace quote:President Rodrigo Duterte might "break up" the Philippines' alliance with the United States in the future, Malacañang said on Wednesday. http://globalnation.inquirer.net/146195/white-house-smart-enough-to-know-what-duterte-means quote:The White House is “smart enough” to weigh on the verbal attacks of President Rodrigo Duterte against the United States, a businessman and economic expert said on Wednesday. http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/10/05/1630605/palace-use-creative-imagination-interpret-duterte-remarks quote:MANILA, Philippines — President Rodrigo Duterte's statement about cutting ties with the United States should not be taken literally, Presidential Spokesperson Ernesto Abella said on Wednesday.
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Oct 5, 2016 13:41
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I think my favorite is "he can't literally go to hell so why are you mad"
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Oct 5, 2016 13:56
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Lol, what are Filipinos expecting to happen, honestly? It's one thing for the US to support a genocidal dictator, but it's quite another when the dictator keeps making GBS threads on the US for domestic consumption even when there is no need for it.
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Oct 5, 2016 13:57
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I really am shocked by the amount of vitriol towards Duterte in this thread. He is the democratically elected leader of a western allied nation with high approval ratings. Fantasizing about assassinating such a leader is frankly pathetic. Duterte is certainly better than the set of career criminals his government replaced.
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Oct 5, 2016 13:57
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Flayer posted:I really am shocked by the amount of vitriol towards Duterte in this thread. He is the democratically elected leader of a western allied nation with high approval ratings. Fantasizing about assassinating such a leader is frankly pathetic. Duterte is certainly better than the set of career criminals his government replaced. You're shocked that people don't like a politician who is at the forefront of a campaign to kill anyone he thinks is a drug dealer or drug addict without a trial? I actually only saw one person fantasizing about his assassination. But it's clear that the way to go about fixing a drug problem is not by leading a murder campaign.
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Oct 5, 2016 14:03
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Flayer posted:I really am shocked by the amount of vitriol towards Duterte in this thread. He is the democratically elected leader of a western allied nation with high approval ratings. Fantasizing about assassinating such a leader is frankly pathetic. Duterte is certainly better than the set of career criminals his government replaced. Yes, it's so surprising that there is a dislike of a leader who is openly encouraging extrajudicial killings and has come out admiring Hitler, because he was democratically elected.
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Oct 5, 2016 14:05
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Duterte ran on a platform where he clearly and openly said he was going to kill drug dealers once elected and the people voted for him in huge numbers despite the fact that he is completely outside the normal political machinery of the country. Duterte is doing what he said he would and what the people of the Philippines voted him in to do. Calling him things like a dictator is just childish. If you have a problem with Duterte you have a problem with democracy as an ideology.
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Oct 5, 2016 14:12
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Is it childish to call him a dictator when one of the things he said in his campaign was literally "I am a dictator? Yes it is true. If you don’t like it then don’t vote for me," and post-campaign, "I will be a dictator against all bad guys, evil, I will do it even at the cost of my position or my life. I won’t stop. That’s a solemn commitment"? That guy fantasizing about assassinating him is immature but I think it's unfair to say that we have a problem with democracy just because we have many, MANY problems with Duterte; do you think that we should never say anything negative about someone just because they were democratically elected?
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Oct 5, 2016 14:25
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Flayer posted:Duterte ran on a platform where he clearly and openly said he was going to kill drug dealers once elected and the people voted for him in huge numbers despite the fact that he is completely outside the normal political machinery of the country. Duterte is doing what he said he would and what the people of the Philippines voted him in to do. Calling him things like a dictator is just childish. If you have a problem with Duterte you have a problem with democracy as an ideology. Just because he was democratically elected doesn't mean he is above critique.
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Oct 5, 2016 14:47
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Flayer posted:Duterte ran on a platform where he clearly and openly said he was going to kill drug dealers once elected and the people voted for him in huge numbers despite the fact that he is completely outside the normal political machinery of the country. Duterte is doing what he said he would and what the people of the Philippines voted him in to do. Calling him things like a dictator is just childish. If you have a problem with Duterte you have a problem with democracy as an ideology. Whining about assassination when assassination has become normalized also strikes me as a little weird in itself too, imo. Now, I gotta say: Subject of post/Wyald AV is an insanely strong combo.
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Oct 5, 2016 14:49
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Flayer posted:people voted for him in huge numbers Which still ended up being a plurality and not a majority vote. 16 million voted for him, which leaves another 28 million who didn't. If those 28 million feel he's imposing his will on them, wouldn't that still be considered dictatorship? Flayer posted:If you have a problem with Duterte you have a problem with democracy as an ideology. My problem is with democracy as implemented in the Philippines, which results in morons like Pacquiao getting elected to the Senate despite an attendance record in Congress that would have high school stoners jealous.
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Oct 5, 2016 14:58
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Flayer posted:Duterte ran on a platform where he clearly and openly said he was going to kill drug dealers once elected and the people voted for him in huge numbers despite the fact that he is completely outside the normal political machinery of the country. Duterte is doing what he said he would and what the people of the Philippines voted him in to do. Calling him things like a dictator is just childish. If you have a problem with Duterte you have a problem with democracy as an ideology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933
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I for one don't think that Duterte should necessarily be impeached, or coup'ed, or assassinated, or anything of the sort ... yet - the elections weren't cheated, and he won by a large margin. Trying to overturn that damages the democratic traditions of a country. I've said so previously that the bar set to make Duterte's ouster, or any other President's, to be "worth it" is set very high. But that bar does exist. If you knew for a fact that a country would end up looking like Syria 2016 at the rate that a world leader is going, then yeah, sure, that changes the calculus, but really the only reason we are talking about coups and impeachment and assassination is because even if you did have a crystal ball, and even if you did know that this person would have to be stopped, those are the only means by which to do so. Like, when we talk about Donald Trump ascending to the White House, we sort of take it for granted that the world will end in nuclear fire because coup'ing America is completely unprecedented and would probably significantly damage, if not end, the world in and of itself anyway. But you talk about a third-world country like the Philippines and suddenly you think you have options. Pol Pot got overthrown, Idi Amin got overthrown, Jean-Bedel Bokassa got overthrown, Ferdinand Marcos Sr. got overthrown, so there is historical precedent. It's just that a lot of this talk, when it isn't purely wishful thinking (because let's face it, the country isn't going rise up against Duterte tomorrow), is really a game of chicken: it's easy to say that all those other previous dictators needed to be overthrown with the benefit of historical hindsight, but it's not so easy to do it in real-time. Because by the time you're sure he's a madman, it's often far too late anyway, but pull the trigger too early, and you're just reinforcing the image of the Philippines as a banana republic. EDIT: I also think that "he promised to do this, now he's doing it, what are you complaining about?" to be a cop-out. If this was a referendum on "should we throw human rights out the window?", then Duterte lost 62 to 38. gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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Oct 5, 2016 15:11
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Calling for the murder of the democratically elected leader of any country is in really poor taste. Unless you have evidence of a joint, or can write that he definitely did have a joint on a piece of cardboard, in which case it is basically part of his election platform.
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Oct 5, 2016 15:16
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As well, Duterte did not "exist outside the normal political machinery of the country": http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2016/06/09/duterte-top-campaign-donors.html quote:In his Statement of Contributions and Expenditures (SOCE), Duterte said he received ₱375,009,474 in campaign contributions, while he spent ₱371,461,480.23. Duterte's top donors included: Davao City Second District Rep. Antonio Floirendo Jr., ₱75 million. Businessmen Dennis Uy of Davao-based oil company Phoenix Petroleum,₱30 million Samuel Uy of Davao Farms and Davao Import Distributors Inc.,₱30 million Lorenzo Te of Honda Cars Davao, ₱30 million Bienvenido Tan of San Antonio Village, ₱20 million Tomas Alcantara of Alsons Consolidated Resources, ₱12 million Nicasio Alcantara of Alsons Consolidated Resources, ₱16 million Sen. Alan Peter Cayetano, ₱72 million Former Metropolitan Manila Development Authority (MMDA) chairman Francis Tolentino, ₱3 million Finance Sec. Carlos Dominguez, ₱2.3 million Executive Sec. Salvador Medialdea, ₱500,000 Volunteers Against Crime Corruption (VACC) Chairman Dante Jimenez, ₱30,000 That's 290.8 million, which means 77.55% of his total campaign contributions came from just twelve individuals. He was absolutely bank-rolled by moneyed interests, and the social media campaign that raised his exposure across Facebook (as the main platform used by the Philippines) was, as Rappler exposed in the article I linked to earlier, astroturfed, as it had a 10 million peso cash kitty with which to fund itself. And then there's also: quote:http://www.philstar.com/headlines/167545/duterte-work-gma-only-adviser I'd saved that from the first week of June, when Duterte was making his cabinet picks. Without going back through all of them now, it's very clear that every single one of Duterte's appointees are either members of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's political clique, or a personal friend (read: crony) of Duterte, or both. So this administration is not so much a grassroots movement, as it is the re-capture of power by the same group that lost the election to Benigno Aquino in 2010.
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Oct 5, 2016 15:27
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The man is scum, but as much as I would like to see him get what's coming to him in the near future, I think it's more important for Filipinos to realize just what they have done by electing the man in the first place. I believe in the democratic process, and in both the good and evil inherent in it; going for the "easy" way out through killing the man undermines the lesson we ought to learn from voting strongarm populists into power, a lesson we clearly haven't learned well enough considering it's only been three decades since the last one.
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Oct 5, 2016 15:34
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Anyone suggesting that America is going to knock him off is pretty delusional. The question is how long before the Phillipino people (or the moneyed interests behind Duterte) realize the damage he's doing to their country and demand a change. I'm sure America will do what it can to encourage that point of view but fantasizing about shooting him is best kept to ones self. ^^^ what he said
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quote:“[It's just an expression. Why would they take this seriously? It's not like Obama can actually go to hell, right?] He could have said go to heaven, [that's just an expression]. It shouldn't be taken too seriously,]” Sotto told reporters.  Flayer posted:Duterte ran on a platform where he clearly and openly said he was going to kill drug dealers once elected and the people voted for him in huge numbers despite the fact that he is completely outside the normal political machinery of the country. Duterte is doing what he said he would and what the people of the Philippines voted him in to do. Calling him things like a dictator is just childish. If you have a problem with Duterte you have a problem with democracy as an ideology. I don't think the people of this thread are the ones who have a problem with democracy, buddy.
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get that OUT of my face posted:Also Duterte favorably compared himself to an undemocratic genocidal manic. Undemocratic genocidal maniacS, plural. http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/07/19/1604391/duterte-wont-mind-being-compared-idi-amin quote:MANILA, Philippines - Unfazed by the public outcry over drug-related killings and arrests barely three weeks into his term, President Duterte said he doesn’t mind having more drug offenders killed even if it would mean his being likened to the late Ugandan dictator Idi Amin.
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Oct 5, 2016 20:02
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Which mass-murdering dictator will he compare himself to next? Pol Pot? Stalin? Should we start laying odds?
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Wizchine posted:Which mass-murdering dictator will he compare himself to next? Pol Pot? Stalin? Should we start laying odds? Is it too late to dub him Pinoychet?
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