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cowofwar posted:All road laws should be subserviant to "safely operating the motor vehicle". Even if a driver was following "all the laws" and hit a cyclist who was doing whatever drivers whine about, the driver still wasn't operating the vehicle safely if they weren't being cautious. If Bryant had done this while behind another motor vehicle, he'd have been considered too close and would have been at fault according to any sensible insurance adjuster. By hitting that cyclist the way he did, he was already too close but because it was a cyclist, there is a certain group of people who have a bit of damage in the part of their brain that deals with reason when it comes to people on bicycles and because of that logic goes right out the window. It doesn't matter if the dipshit cyclist was intoxicated or being beligerant, it matters that Bryant, a Harvard Law-educated individual, could not keep his composure and deal with this like a sensible human being. Driving purposely into trees and mailboxes is not how to deal with this and it was Bryant's fault that Sheppard fell off, hit a hydrant, and was knocked out cold. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/taxi-driver-dragged-video-1.3357166 Oh no. My glass windows are going to break because of this angry taxi driver. 
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tagesschau posted:Are you posting from the alternate universe where it's legal to reach into someone's car, assault them, and grab their steering wheel, and they aren't permitted to do anything about it? You're really killing it with the bad takes lately
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cowofwar posted:All road laws should be subserviant to "safely operating the motor vehicle". Even if a driver was following "all the laws" and hit a cyclist who was doing whatever drivers whine about, the driver still wasn't operating the vehicle safely if they weren't being cautious. It's still a matter of judgement. Unless you believe that cyclists can and should never be at fault for any accident, which is complete nonsense. EDIT: To be clear, I'm not talking about this case, just in general.
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Oct 5, 2016 18:19
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OSI bean dip posted:If Bryant had done this while behind another motor vehicle, he'd have been considered too close and would have been at fault according to any sensible insurance adjuster. By hitting that cyclist the way he did, he was already too close but because it was a cyclist, there is a certain group of people who have a bit of damage in the part of their brain that deals with reason when it comes to people on bicycles and because of that logic goes right out the window. OSI bean dip posted:It doesn't matter if the dipshit cyclist was intoxicated or being beligerant, it matters that Bryant, a Harvard Law-educated individual, could not keep his composure and deal with this like a sensible human being. Driving purposely into trees and mailboxes is not how to deal with this and it was Bryant's fault that Sheppard fell off, hit a hydrant, and was knocked out cold. This is exactly wrong; it absolutely matters whether Sheppard was assaulting Bryant. If someone is assaulting you and you cannot get away from them, you are allowed to make them stop, even if that requires lethal force. This is not difficult to understand. THC posted:You're really killing it with the bad takes lately Describing what some people in this thread are actually saying is now a "bad take."
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Speaking of idiots from Calgary  This happened in Metro Vancouver earlier this week.  The latter flyer is being done by a group that involves the dipshit activist in this article.
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As an FYI, if you want to doxx them, they are making mistakes https://www.facebook.com/PuttingCanadaFirst/photos/a.219121178298770.1073741828.210871219123766/507860072758211/?type=3&permPage=1 https://www.facebook.com/PuttingCanadaFirst/photos/a.219121178298770.1073741828.210871219123766/530470930497125/?type=3&permPage=1
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Risky Bisquick posted:As an FYI, if you want to doxx them, they are making mistakes That is Kerry for certain in the second shot.
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Risky Bisquick posted:As an FYI, if you want to doxx them, they are making mistakes I'll allow it. Anything that will scare the poo poo out of fuerdai from coming here is good imo.
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Oct 5, 2016 19:28
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The thing about Michael Bryant is in addition to murdering someone with his car and getting away with it, he didn't even go through the routine humiliations that a normal person would experience after another human being died due to their operation of heavy machinery. The cops let him go home and shower and clean himself up before he ever set foot in a court.
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Helsing posted:The thing about Michael Bryant is in addition to murdering someone with his car and getting away with it, he didn't even go through the routine humiliations that a normal person would experience after another human being died due to their operation of heavy machinery. The cops let him go home and shower and clean himself up before he ever set foot in a court. But you see it involved a cyclist so all the rules were thrown out the window for that reason and that reason alone.
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Oct 5, 2016 20:38
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OSI bean dip posted:It doesn't matter if the dipshit cyclist was intoxicated or being beligerant, it matters that Bryant, a Harvard Law-educated individual, could not keep his composure and deal with this like a sensible human being. Driving purposely into trees and mailboxes is not how to deal with this and it was Bryant's fault that Sheppard fell off, hit a hydrant, and was knocked out cold. Of course it matters if the cyclist was drunk and belligerant, at least as far as the charge of dangerous driving causing death. What are you, an idiot?
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Rust Martialis posted:Of course it matters if the cyclist was drunk and belligerant, at least as far as the charge of dangerous driving causing death. What are you, an idiot? Not every driver gets the luxury of going home after killing someone with their car to sober up and come up with an explanation to their erratic, idiotic behaviour.
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Helsing posted:The thing about Michael Bryant is in addition to murdering someone with his car and getting away with it, he didn't even go through the routine humiliations that a normal person would experience after another human being died due to their operation of heavy machinery. The cops let him go home and shower and clean himself up before he ever set foot in a court. He was taken to the station, booked, and held overnight until being charged the next day. He was then released. This is apparently the normal process for someone with no record who is not considered a flight risk under similar circumstances. (see pp 46-47 of the pdf) The prosecutor says he made the call based on asking police what normal procedure was.
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Oct 5, 2016 20:56
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OSI bean dip posted:Not every driver gets the luxury of going home after killing someone with their car to sober up and come up with an explanation to their erratic, idiotic behaviour. He didn't get to go home, he was booked and held. Also the only one in the entire incident who was erratic and idiotic was the cyclist, from all reports.
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It's okay to defend a Harvard Law graduate who killed a cyclist with his car because he's a dumbass because rationality goes out the window when it involves cyclists.
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I was in the US this week *travelling on business* and a cab driver was telling me all about how canadians have the best prime minister, he's read all about him in the huffington post and how canadians are the nicest people in the world. I totally forgot that we're the second biggest arms exporter to the middle east and our government's officially policy is just a global gently caress You Got Mine, that would have been perfect. I feel like a failure to the thread that I couldn't blast off 5 reasons canadians are horrible just right off the top of my head.quote:The Liberal government shot down an NDP motion Tuesday that sought to create a House of Commons committee examining Canadian arms exports, as it continues to defend a controversial, $15-billion deal with Saudi Arabia. How is selling them weapons "the middle ground"? What is to the right of selling an islamofascist monarchy weapons? You can't just do what the conservatives were doing but call it middle ground. Well you obviously can but holy drat it's annoying that people seem to believe it.
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Oct 5, 2016 21:02
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OSI bean dip posted:It's okay to defend a Harvard Law graduate who killed a cyclist with his car because he's a dumbass because rationality goes out the window when it involves cyclists. Well it certainly is missing from your posting on the topic.
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Oct 5, 2016 21:06
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Killing a shitdick cyclist should win you the Order of Canada, the histrionic poo poo-posting it inspires, The Giller.
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Enough about sociopaths and their inability to recognize what vehicular manslaughter looks like, it looks like someone has benefited from the Phoenix nonsense: https://www.reddit.com/r/PersonalFinanceCanada/comments/55z7e9/i_left_the_government_but_theyre_still_paying_me/ quote:Because Phoenix, I'm still getting a paycheque for my job that I no longer work at, and will continue to receive direct deposits for the foreseeable future. Adds up to a little over $3000 a month.
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jfood posted:Killing a shitdick cyclist should win you the Order of Canada, the histrionic poo poo-posting it inspires, The Giller. Once the stories about Sheppard's history came out, there was about zero chance of a conviction for anything. If Bryant had been some nobody driving a Saab, and hadn't been a media circus about it there might have been a chance to convict. As a cyclist in Toronto, we do need better laws and more protection from insane drivers, but making an guy who got drunk and screamed at, spat on and attacked drivers on the reg is a bad loving strategy.
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OSI bean dip posted:Enough about sociopaths and their inability to recognize what vehicular manslaughter looks like, 
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Wow shut the gently caress up about Ontario and go beat off a moose in your ~cottage~ already no one cares
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OSI bean dip posted:Enough about sociopaths and their inability to recognize what vehicular manslaughter looks like, it looks like someone has benefited from the Phoenix nonsense: This is happening to a lot of people. Students in particular. They take months to pay you but then they overpay you by a lot.
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lmao http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/rempel-slams-big-oilpatch-players-for-carbon-tax-support quote:Conservative MP Michelle Rempel is taking aim at some of the country’s biggest energy companies over their support for a carbon tax. "Guys you're ruining our attack lines!!!!11!!!"
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brucio posted:lmao We are pro business, unless they do something we disagree with. also, all the people threatening to disconnect their Telus service.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:I was in the US this week *travelling on business* and a cab driver was telling me all about how canadians have the best prime minister, he's read all about him in the huffington post and how canadians are the nicest people in the world. I totally forgot that we're the second biggest arms exporter to the middle east and our government's officially policy is just a global gently caress You Got Mine, that would have been perfect. I feel like a failure to the thread that I couldn't blast off 5 reasons canadians are horrible just right off the top of my head.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Speaking of idiots from Calgary lol You think University of Calgary would like their logo to be attributed to that?
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quote:NDP MP Hélène Laverdière’s motion Thursday had asked parliament to recognize that Canadians “expect a high standard from their government when it comes to protecting human rights abroad,” and “are concerned by arms sales to countries with a record of human rights abuses, including Saudi Arabia, Libya and Sudan.” Hélène 
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Rust Martialis posted:He was taken to the station, booked, and held overnight until being charged the next day. He was then released. This is apparently the normal process for someone with no record who is not considered a flight risk under similar circumstances. (see pp 46-47 of the pdf) The prosecutor says he made the call based on asking police what normal procedure was. He was released without a bail hearing on his own recognizance and came out of the police station in a fresh suit and tie, already prepped to begin the long PR process of explaining to the media why it was regrettable necessity for him to accelerate his car into a human being.
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Couldn't he have just rolled up the window? There were other alternatives to flooring it.
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cowofwar posted:Couldn't he have just rolled up the window? There were other alternatives to flooring it. He had a convertable and chose to push the cyclist off with his car instead of with his hands. Helsing posted:He was released without a bail hearing on his own recognizance and came out of the police station in a fresh suit and tie, already prepped to begin the long PR process of explaining to the media why it was regrettable necessity for him to accelerate his car into a human being. But he was being beligerant so he deserved death.
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OSI bean dip posted:He had a convertable and chose to push the cyclist off with his car instead of with his hands. We get it, you can't win the legal argument so you're playing 'petulant child'. Basically you just want Bryant punished, regardless of the facts. You picked a lovely case to make a stand on is all. You're not interested in laws or facts, so you just make dumb emotive appeals. Maybe next time defend a guy who doesn't regularly attack strangers in passing cars? Just admit you aren't even remotely interested in the actual legal issues and move on.
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Rust Martialis posted:We get it, you can't win the legal argument so you're playing 'petulant child'. Basically you've come to the conclusion that since he's a Harvard grad and has lots of money he deserves to get off because the cyclist was belligerent and deserved to be thrown at a fire hydrant and killed. Nothing suspicious at all about him being able to walk out of jail the next morning looking fresh as a daisy.
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OSI bean dip posted:Basically you've come to the conclusion that since he's a Harvard grad and has lots of money he deserves to get off because the cyclist was belligerent and deserved to be thrown at a fire hydrant and killed. Nothing suspicious at all about him being able to walk out of jail the next morning looking fresh as a daisy. Nope. The Crown noted that given Sheppard's history of attacking people and drivers, including beating a homeless man with his bike lock earlier that night, that Bryant's obvious claim of justification (i.e. 'self-defense') as a defense was pretty much a slam-dunk. You just can't deal with the facts.
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Being a dick to people on public justifies murdering you in the streets but only if you're on a bicycle. If the guy gets off the bike and stands in an empty bus with a knife, do i get to murder two people or can I just run over him twice? Serious post: did Bryant know his history at that time, and if so, how?
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Rust Martialis posted:Nope. The Crown noted that given Sheppard's history of attacking people and drivers, including beating a homeless man with his bike lock earlier that night, that Bryant's obvious claim of justification (i.e. 'self-defense') as a defense was pretty much a slam-dunk. Self-defence is not driving people into mailboxes and trees and then having their head slammed into a fire hydrant.
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OSI bean dip posted:Self-defence is not driving people into mailboxes and trees and then having their head slammed into a fire hydrant. You're wrong as a matter of law, did you notice that yet?
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congratulations everyone on defending a real life mr burns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Akpyxt1iJM
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if I knock on someones window and yell at them for parking in a bike lane, is that over or under the line for vehicular manslaughter as self defence? just wanna check with the legal experts itt
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