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Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
So, what do you think of this?
Here!

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Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW
Opportunist Keyan has some difficulties getting Opportunist to hit reliably, thanks to how it requires an enemy to have no token in order for it to work. Without that, getting stress is limited to red maneuvers that you probably don't want to be doing anyway without some serious guarantees. Tractor Beam is probably a waste, since he's also your heavy hitter and tied for lowest pilot skill, and doesn't want to be giving up that attack. I'd replace Outmaneuver with Push the Limit, and drop the Tractor Beam altogether for an extra 2 points.

Outmaneuver on Tycho is good, but Autothrusters is practically mandatory on A-wings. I would drop it, and use the 3 points from that plus the 2 points freed above to put Autothrusters on both Tycho and Jake, then leave a 1 point bid.

Caveat: I fly X-wings, not B-wings or A-wings (often).

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice

canyoneer posted:

Hey hey hey, to be fair, pre-errata/misprinted Lone Wolf also did nothing.

And I'm totally OK with X-Wings being powerful anchors in lists for Star Wars X-Wing Miniatures Game :colbert:

Oh, I'm not complaining. Getting Luke fuckidity Skywalker back in the meta is an unambiguous good thing. As is, the T-65 is on such a mediocre chasis that my worry is any new upgrade is a disappointment instead of being OP.

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
Thanks! I don't own Autothruster, might pick up its ship this saturday if I don't get an E and K wing first. Keyan however will probably change as you recommanded. I thought about using TB to set ships up for Outmanoeuvring Tycho, but that's apparently a mistake?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW
It is, but not because of the reason you think; it's because it literally can't happen on a single turn. Tycho is PS8, and fires before Keyan does. By the time the Tractor Beam hits, Tycho has already fired and can't take advantage of it.

Tractor Beam is a lot like Juke, in that it's a lot better the higher your pilot skill goes.

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
Oh yeah I was seeing Farlander as being PS8, not 7. How about switching Opportunist for VI?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW
Still doesn't have a good way to generate stress. Push the Limit is pretty much the best thing you can put there (maybe Rage) without adding a crew slot and costing a handful more points than there are left to spend in that list. That stress generation is just too useful; it's basically getting a free focus with two more actions (usually TL and barrel roll).

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Iceclaw posted:

Oh yeah I was seeing Farlander as being PS8, not 7. How about switching Opportunist for VI?

If you have VI, I'd definitely consider swapping Jake's Crack Shot for it.

Cobbsprite
May 6, 2012

Threatening stuffed animals for fun and profit.

Thundercracker posted:

But when I say trap, I'm really using the low bar of Games Workshop, where not only are certain units and upgrades complete garbage, but you have to wait years for a fix. Or Star Trek: Attack Wing, where they literally printed an upgrade that does nothing.

This is a story I have to hear. What did Star Trek: Attack Wing put out that did literally nothing? I love disasters.

Poopy Palpy
Jun 10, 2000

Im da fwiggin Poopy Palpy XD

Cobbsprite posted:

This is a story I have to hear. What did Star Trek: Attack Wing put out that did literally nothing? I love disasters.

It was basically an upgrade that said "you can do white maneuvers while stressed".

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
How dumb am I for wanting to put R5-P9 and Recon Specialist on an ARC? Or maybe R5-P9 and Kyle Katarn on Braylen? I'm still trying to get a handle on ARC outfitting and I want to see if I can make a good one.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW
R5-P9 and Kyle on Norra is a key component in a list that's currently winning tournaments, so I'd say you're on the right trac.k

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
Whenever I buy a new ship I feel like I'm flailing around in the dark for at least a week or so.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Just got done playing that Biggs/Norra/Shara list against a double Lancer list. jfc that was the first time I've ever used Biggs and the force was with him. DTF saved him from a deadly crit and then he lasted four more turns on some hot greens and Norra and Shara face rolled them. It was actually kind of gruesome.

When they previewed the ARC pilot abilities I thought they were all trash... but I am now a FIRM believer! Even with Asajj's stress shenanigans (this one had tactician, too) it didn't slow them down. muthafacking doom sisters!

Strobe posted:

R5-P9 and Kyle on Norra is a key component in a list that's currently winning tournaments, so I'd say you're on the right trac.k

Yes! Regen Norra with Kyle is BONKERS! And when you're not regenning you're adding results to butt gun shots and turning them into crits... and THEN regenning

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
I want to fly an ARC with PtL/Kyle/BB-8, but R5-P9 is probably better.

goodness
Jan 3, 2012

When the light turns green, you go. When the light turns red, you stop. But what do you do when the light turns blue with orange and lavender spots?
Are there any upgrade/pilot cards that sell for as much as the expansion they come in?

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"
Palpatine probably sells for a decent chunk of the cost of the Imperial Raider expansion.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

goodness posted:

Are there any upgrade/pilot cards that sell for as much as the expansion they come in?

There are no expansions currently out of print, so I'm betting on that one being a big fat no.

Devlan Mud
Apr 10, 2006




I'll hear your stories when we come back, alright?
At best selling out upgrade cards is probably gonna net you about half MSRP on a ship, it's not really worthwhile to do so unless you're doing it en masse like some eBay stores. Or if you take advantage of like, 40% off CSI sales and 12 dollar Target core sets or whatever.

goodness
Jan 3, 2012

When the light turns green, you go. When the light turns red, you stop. But what do you do when the light turns blue with orange and lavender spots?

Devlan Mud posted:

At best selling out upgrade cards is probably gonna net you about half MSRP on a ship, it's not really worthwhile to do so unless you're doing it en masse like some eBay stores. Or if you take advantage of like, 40% off CSI sales and 12 dollar Target core sets or whatever.

I figured it was unlikely. I came into possession of a large rebel force and I need to figure out what to do with it. Hopefully someone will just trade me scum for it or buy the lot for a deep discount

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




I'm very excited to try the Biggs/Norra/Shara list tomorrow. It just looks so filthy dirty.

alg
Mar 14, 2007

A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs.

The people literally defending the Empire in this thread

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/231668-the-empire-is-evil/

Christ

kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

alg posted:

The people literally defending the Empire in this thread

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/231668-the-empire-is-evil/

Christ

Sheevy is a funny name imo.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
This is an insomnia though post. But kanan with recon spec, Lando and EI. Potentially 6 focuses a turn reducing red dice.



Pair with kyle in hwk with recon and moldy crow.

canyonero
Aug 3, 2006
Can Norra use her own TL to reroll, and then use Shara's to add a focus? I guess I'm just asking if your can spend multiple TLs in 1 attack.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

bunnyofdoom posted:

This is an insomnia though post. But kanan with recon spec, Lando and EI. Potentially 6 focuses a turn reducing red dice.



Pair with kyle in hwk with recon and moldy crow.

Recon Specialist specifies focus action, so it won't double Lando's tokens.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

canyonero posted:

Can Norra use her own TL to reroll, and then use Shara's to add a focus? I guess I'm just asking if your can spend multiple TLs in 1 attack.

You can spend a token (including target lock) once per opportunity. Rerolling dice is an opportunity. So is triggering Norra's ability. It's similar to the way Vessery can spend a target lock to fire, and then immediately get one back to use on the roll if there's another red lock there.

A better example is spending a focus on Calculation, then another to change the rest of the focus results to hits.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Strobe posted:

Recon Specialist specifies focus action, so it won't double Lando's tokens.

Like I said insomnia thought.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW
Also Kanan's ability is anti-fun and I hate that it is a part of this game.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
Your face is anti fun!

Major Isoor
Mar 23, 2011

bunnyofdoom posted:

Your face is anti fun!

Hey now, he's very sensitive about that! :D
But yeah, Kanan's ability isn't that bad - no worse then Wedge's ability really, (which is great, for the record) I think.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




Iceclaw posted:

So, what do you think of this?
Here!

I found:

Wes - predator
Keyan - advanced sensors - HLC - opportunist
Biggs -r2 - int astro

to be an extremely fun list if a hard hitting Keyan is your thing.


Admiral Joeslop posted:

I'm very excited to try the Biggs/Norra/Shara list tomorrow. It just looks so filthy dirty.

I tried it tonight and it got wrecked by x7 defenders which was pretty disappointing.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

banned from Starbucks posted:

I tried it tonight and it got wrecked by x7 defenders which was pretty disappointing.

Yeah, x7 defenders are really strong, but I think this ARC list has a chance against them, but you have to be cagey. You can't let your ships get caught in the TIE/Defender death cage, which is easier said than done with these slowboat ARC dials.

Finster Dexter fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Oct 6, 2016

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice

alg posted:

The people literally defending the Empire in this thread

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/231668-the-empire-is-evil/

Christ

Your living in a year where a president of a major US ally is openly running death squads, and have no BS approval ratings around 90%.

If 2016 has taught me anything its that 20 years is unrealisric for a galaxy republic to descend into a brutal fascist regime. It's looking for like one year is enough to do the job.

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

One thing that I do like a lot about the Clone Wars and Rebels shows is that they have done a better job of showing the Republic's transition into the Empire than the Prequels did. One page of exposition in the old West End Games Imperial Sourcebook summed up how the heel turn happened better than 3 whole movies.

Slab Squatthrust
Jun 3, 2008

This is mutiny!

Sushi in Yiddish posted:

One thing that I do like a lot about the Clone Wars and Rebels shows is that they have done a better job of showing the Republic's transition into the Empire than the Prequels did. One page of exposition in the old West End Games Imperial Sourcebook summed up how the heel turn happened better than 3 whole movies.

Well. The writing in the prequels was god awful so that's not really a surprise there. :v:

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


The prequels were, as far as I understood it, never supposed to show the change but instead to showcase the Republican era before the Empire. Why they decided to even show as much as they did I don't know, but as I understood it, it was supposed to be prequel = Republic, OT = Empire. I always understood that extra materials were supposed to show the transition more. I would actually like to see Claudia Gray (author of Lost Stars) do a book about the transition, since it would be the only one that might be worth reading.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
I know that the plinkett review wasn't the Ep.7 excoriation some people were hopeing for, but I did appreciate his dismantling of the stupid as gently caress ring theory.

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

Chill la Chill posted:

The prequels were, as far as I understood it, never supposed to show the change but instead to showcase the Republican era before the Empire. Why they decided to even show as much as they did I don't know, but as I understood it, it was supposed to be prequel = Republic, OT = Empire. I always understood that extra materials were supposed to show the transition more. I would actually like to see Claudia Gray (author of Lost Stars) do a book about the transition, since it would be the only one that might be worth reading.

One of the better points from the Plinkett reviews is that basically they set up the end of Episode III to be exactly the beginning of Episode IV. Obi Wan is already on Tattooine, Yoda's already on Dagobah, c3p0 and R2-D2 are already on the Tantive IV, Darth Vader and Tarkin are already building the Death Star, everything essentially has to stay static for 20 years.

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Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Sushi in Yiddish posted:

One of the better points from the Plinkett reviews is that basically they set up the end of Episode III to be exactly the beginning of Episode IV. Obi Wan is already on Tattooine, Yoda's already on Dagobah, c3p0 and R2-D2 are already on the Tantive IV, Darth Vader and Tarkin are already building the Death Star, everything essentially has to stay static for 20 years.

Oh, right. The part about Yoda blasting off in a tiny interstellar rocket to go to Dagobah. The last 2 movies were so awful I only remember Padme's white uniform from AOTC. Episode 1 was great for the podracing though. Movie should've revolved around that, should've been space Ben Hur.

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