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Five parts in, I feel quite confident in saying that Monster Men redefines the term "unremarkable crossover". It's not...bad, but I'm already forgetting it as I'm reading it top the point where I accidentally read Nightwing first. It's basically Gothtopia/Axis II
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I can't believe how great Night of the Monster Men has been. I never would've thought that a Batman crossover in TTOYL 2016 would be the event I enjoy most out of them all. e: okay I honestly did not intend this post to come right under that one. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Oct 5, 2016 |
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I mean in enjoying it, its not bad, and the character interactions are often fun, but it just feels like a comic very much written by committee, I guess? Character voices seem kinda same-y and there's no real book variance. It doesn't feel like im reading Tom King Batman or Tynion Batwoman et Al or whoever writing Nightwing's.... Nightwing, its all just sorts the same characters repeating very similar dialog with very similar perspectives. Again, not bad. No shade on anyone who likes it, but its definitely an arc that, when rereading rebirth Batman ill be all "oh right! Monsters invaded Gotham. Huh."
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:I mean in enjoying it, its not bad, and the character interactions are often fun, but it just feels like a comic very much written by committee, I guess? Character voices seem kinda same-y and there's no real book variance. It doesn't feel like im reading Tom King Batman or Tynion Batwoman et Al or whoever writing Nightwing's.... Nightwing, its all just sorts the same characters repeating very similar dialog with very similar perspectives. Yeah that's because Steve Orlando wrote all of them. Story credit goes to him and the regular writers of the books, but script credit is all him.
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And I'm glad it is, because this guy is rising very quickly on my list of to-follow writers. There's a great sense of peril and stakes in this event, but never to the point that it eclipses the feeling of this being a superhero team-up where Batman and his motley crew are going to save the day. The art has been amazing; both gross shambling monsters and black-clad vigilantes are being dynamically portrayed on every page. I love that they keep coming up with increasingly absurd/amazing Bat-gadgets and contingencies for these giant monsters, built into Gotham City itself. I love how they're doing justice by all the characters and using them each in effective ways; I've said before that it's like every Bat-book is Detective Comics right now, and I love Detective Comics. I love Clayface-armor Batman. I also love Duke Thomas' new costume 'cuz it looks so much like a Power Ranger. I truly wish more Batman stories were like this instead of the constant navel-gazing over the inhumanity of man or whatever they always do instead.
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Yeah that's pretty much where I'm at. It's like reading a Fast & Furious movie. It's really refreshing that you know there's not these huge stakes, that the Batfamily is definitely going to save the day in the end, but it's gonna be a pretty crazy ride up until then. God drat fun comics.
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It's a pretty good crossover and gives me hope that DC really has learned something and that the JL/SS one will be pretty chill as well.
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I'm pretty interested in the JL/SS crossover, hopefully it's comprehensible enough that I can read it without having read any of JL or SS Rebirth.
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Lick! The! Whisk! posted:I mean in enjoying it, its not bad, and the character interactions are often fun, but it just feels like a comic very much written by committee, I guess? Character voices seem kinda same-y and there's no real book variance. It doesn't feel like im reading Tom King Batman or Tynion Batwoman et Al or whoever writing Nightwing's.... Nightwing, its all just sorts the same characters repeating very similar dialog with very similar perspectives. Given DC's batting average for events, "competent and consistent" is a grand slam. Add in Stephanie, Cassandra, and a well-done Clayface to the Bat-family and I'm just giddy (and I normally don't care much for them).
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So Death of Hawkman is actually an Adam Strange book. It was ok. The suicide bomb thangarians were problematic. I feel this book will be a heavy handed commentary.
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Oct 6, 2016 03:11
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Clayface gathering up behind Batman was an incredible scene.
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Jonboy Meyers is leaving Teen Titans after the next issue due to "creative differences." https://www.facebook.com/Art-of-Jonboy-Meyers-694569967246110/ I didn't love the art in the Rebirth issue, but a quitting's never good to see. It's been a good while since one of those. e:\/ Oh yeah. Cho. Duh. *It's been a good while since the last one anyone cared about. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Teenage Fansub posted:Jonboy Meyers is leaving Teen Titans after the next issue due to "creative differences." Frank Cho wasn't that long ago. Or do you mean an interior artist in which case... nope not recalling the last one I remember.
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Welp, here's some fuckin' good news as contrast. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batwoman-get-new-ongoing-comic-935670?sf38024477=1 quote:Batwoman to Get New Ongoing Comic Series Eeeeee!! edit: Covered up a Monster Men spoiler. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 14:21
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gently caress yes.
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Oct 6, 2016 14:25
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Steve Epting is such an inspired choice for a Batwoman ongoing too. This is literally best-case scenario stuff.
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Oct 6, 2016 14:32
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That could be good. So far as I know there's no one in the Batwoman mythos with the ability to break the 4th wall, so that should curb that tendency that drove me off Angela.
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Oct 6, 2016 14:32
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I think the Joker's done it a handful of times, maybe just in the cartoon.
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Epting is a huge loving get. Holy poo poo.
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TwoPair posted:That could be good. So far as I know there's no one in the Batwoman mythos with the ability to break the 4th wall, so that should curb that tendency that drove me off Angela. The idea with that stuff was that, in a way, it was elaborating on some of the themes and ideas of Kieron Gillen's Journey Into Mystery run. There's a shared sensibility there that is not in Bennett's other work, which is very cool and good.
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That's so cool. A couple of us were just standing around the comic shop yesterday hoping we'd get a Batwoman ongoing because she's been so good in Detective. And they got a great writer/artist combo, too.
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I can't wait for the rest of the DC reveals.
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Rhyno posted:I can't wait for the rest of the DC reveals. New Red Hood solo book and Batman & Robin rebooted to tell the lost stories of Jason's time as Robin.
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WickedHate posted:New Red Hood solo book and Batman & Robin rebooted to tell the lost stories of Jason's time as Robin. Jason Todd will die again and this time four different people will take up the mantle of Red Hood.
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Rhyno posted:I can't wait for the rest of the DC reveals. There are more? 😇
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Rhyno posted:Jason Todd will die again and this time four different people will take up the mantle of Red Hood. That wouldn't work, the emotionless murderer version would be indistinguishable from the real thing.
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I believe that JLA, Super Sons, and Batwoman are all we are getting for now. Rest of the Wildstorm line should be getting announced on Saturday.
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So...i'm a bit annoyed at the moment after the announcement made at the NY Comic Con today that The Ray is going to come out as gay. Now there is nothing wrong with gay characters (Midnight and Batwoman are great for example) but changing an already established character just to follow what a tv show (actually more of a web based cartoon) or to fill some diversity quota is dead wrong in my book. I thought this was supposed to be "DC Rebirth" where characters go back to their most iconic state? The Ray has over a 20 plus year history in the DCU and he was never portrayed as gay in mainline continuity. In fact during Christopher Priest's run he even had a romantic relationship with Black Canary. I brought this up on another forum and I'm getting a bunch of weak rear end "Who cares its an obscure character" arguments but thats not the point. If you want to have gay characters in your justice league either use one that is already established or go make a new one don't just randomly decide "ok lets use this character but how about we make him gay because we need to show how liberal and forward thinking we are!". It's the same loving poo poo they did with Wally West when they made him black and thought everything would be hunky dory. Well its not and I'm once again angry at DC for pointlessly changing a character I liked when I was growing up and then they point to Morrison's Multiversity (who was using an else worlds version of the character plus I believe it was a different Ray on top of that) as justification. What a total load. This thread might as well be renamed DC Comics - All your favorite characters are black or gay now! Alucard Nacirema fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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I think there's a running joke at DC to see how long they can go without naming the creative team for Super Sons
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DC introduced a new Ray in the New 52, is it that version?
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Rhyno posted:DC introduced a new Ray in the New 52, is it that version? Nope that one is gone. They are using The Ray from the 90s
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Alucard Nacirema posted:Nope that one is gone. They are using The Ray from the 90s Hmmm. Well, he did wear that jacket...
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Can I second that thread title change? It's pretty snappy! Catches attention, like.Alucard Nacirema posted:It's the same loving poo poo they did with Wally West when they made him black and thought everything would be hunky dory But it turned out that way. If you see him on the cover of Teen Titans now and are still steaming, you've got the problem. Rhyno posted:DC introduced a new Ray in the New 52, is it that version? That was such a weird comic. The baddie came to life out of a haunted safari snuff film. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Alucard Nacirema posted:So...i'm a bit annoyed at the moment after the announcement made at the NY Comic Con today that The Ray is going to come out as gay. Now there is nothing wrong with gay characters (Midnight and Batwoman are great for example) but changing an already established character just to follow what a tv show (actually more of a web based cartoon) or to fill some diversity quota is dead wrong in my book. I thought this was supposed to be "DC Rebirth" where characters go back to their most iconic state? The Ray has over a 20 plus year history in the DCU and he was never portrayed as gay in mainline continuity. In fact during Christopher Priest's run he even had a romantic relationship with Black Canary. I brought this up on another forum and I'm getting a bunch of weak rear end "Who cares its an obscure character" arguments but thats not the point. If you want to have gay characters in your justice league either use one that is already established or go make a new one don't just randomly decide "ok lets use this character but how about we make him gay because we need to show how liberal and forward thinking we are!". It's the same loving poo poo they did with Wally West when they made him black and thought everything would be hunky dory. Well its not and I'm once again angry at DC for pointlessly changing a character I liked when I was growing up and then they point to Morrison's Multiversity (who was using an else worlds version of the character plus I believe it was a different Ray on top of that) as justification. What a total load. You are the guy who comes into this thread to whine about the fact that characters created decades ago might evolve or change to compensate for the fact that they were created in a time when they couldn't be certain things without backlash. You want everything to be like it was when you were a kid because you're scared of change but you also like things that were changed from how they were when other people were kids because you're selfish and spoiled.
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Alucard Nacirema posted:So...i'm a bit annoyed at the moment after the announcement made at the NY Comic Con today that The Ray is going to come out as gay. Now there is nothing wrong with gay characters (Midnight and Batwoman are great for example) but changing an already established character just to follow what a tv show (actually more of a web based cartoon) or to fill some diversity quota is dead wrong in my book. I thought this was supposed to be "DC Rebirth" where characters go back to their most iconic state? The Ray has over a 20 plus year history in the DCU and he was never portrayed as gay in mainline continuity. In fact during Christopher Priest's run he even had a romantic relationship with Black Canary. I brought this up on another forum and I'm getting a bunch of weak rear end "Who cares its an obscure character" arguments but thats not the point. If you want to have gay characters in your justice league either use one that is already established or go make a new one don't just randomly decide "ok lets use this character but how about we make him gay because we need to show how liberal and forward thinking we are!". It's the same loving poo poo they did with Wally West when they made him black and thought everything would be hunky dory. Well its not and I'm once again angry at DC for pointlessly changing a character I liked when I was growing up and then they point to Morrison's Multiversity (who was using an else worlds version of the character plus I believe it was a different Ray on top of that) as justification. What a total load. Everyone's entitled to their opinions no matter how stupid they look stating them, but please feel free to keep posting at the other forum as much as you want.
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Alucard Nacirema posted:So...i'm a bit annoyed at the moment after the announcement made at the NY Comic Con today that The Ray is going to come out as gay. Now there is nothing wrong with gay characters (Midnight and Batwoman are great for example) but changing an already established character just to follow what a tv show (actually more of a web based cartoon) or to fill some diversity quota is dead wrong in my book. I thought this was supposed to be "DC Rebirth" where characters go back to their most iconic state? The Ray has over a 20 plus year history in the DCU and he was never portrayed as gay in mainline continuity. In fact during Christopher Priest's run he even had a romantic relationship with Black Canary. I brought this up on another forum and I'm getting a bunch of weak rear end "Who cares its an obscure character" arguments but thats not the point. If you want to have gay characters in your justice league either use one that is already established or go make a new one don't just randomly decide "ok lets use this character but how about we make him gay because we need to show how liberal and forward thinking we are!". It's the same loving poo poo they did with Wally West when they made him black and thought everything would be hunky dory. Well its not and I'm once again angry at DC for pointlessly changing a character I liked when I was growing up and then they point to Morrison's Multiversity (who was using an else worlds version of the character plus I believe it was a different Ray on top of that) as justification. What a total load. Source your quotes
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Alucard Nacirema posted:It's the same loving poo poo they did with Wally West when they made him black and thought everything would be hunky dory. More people are probably now aware of a black Wally West than the white one because of the Flash tv show.
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Alucard Nacirema posted:So...i'm a bit annoyed at the moment after the announcement made at the NY Comic Con today that The Ray is going to come out as gay. Now there is nothing wrong with gay characters (Midnight and Batwoman are great for example) but changing an already established character just to follow what a tv show (actually more of a web based cartoon) or to fill some diversity quota is dead wrong in my book. I thought this was supposed to be "DC Rebirth" where characters go back to their most iconic state? The Ray has over a 20 plus year history in the DCU and he was never portrayed as gay in mainline continuity. In fact during Christopher Priest's run he even had a romantic relationship with Black Canary. I brought this up on another forum and I'm getting a bunch of weak rear end "Who cares its an obscure character" arguments but thats not the point. If you want to have gay characters in your justice league either use one that is already established or go make a new one don't just randomly decide "ok lets use this character but how about we make him gay because we need to show how liberal and forward thinking we are!". It's the same loving poo poo they did with Wally West when they made him black and thought everything would be hunky dory. Well its not and I'm once again angry at DC for pointlessly changing a character I liked when I was growing up and then they point to Morrison's Multiversity (who was using an else worlds version of the character plus I believe it was a different Ray on top of that) as justification. What a total load.  those posters on the other forum were right, hth
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Here's the thing about the Ray: No one knows who the gently caress is the Ray or gives a poo poo, so make him a purple pygmy polysexual polygamist if you want, no one will continue to care about the Ray. They made the Ray gay? Who the gently caress is Deray?
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