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The way the map balance works is that the defenders get a terrain advantage to compensate for the attackers getting many attempts. So yeah, any individual push has less than a 50% chance for the attackers to win, and this is why maps can feel super slanted toward defense, but, well, you get lots of pushes.
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Commoners posted:The first point spawn advantage belongs to the attackers, so if they manage to just wear down the defending team without losing a fight decisively they will eventually take the point. All 2CP map second points favor the defenders though due to spawn distance, so that isn't news if you're trying to make it. Defense may have an advantage on any single team fight (especially in lower levels when people trickle) but offense usually has the overall advantage because they just need to win one fight to cap the point while the defense has to win them all.
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Oct 6, 2016 18:03
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Kashuno posted:I'd like to hear someone make a case for anubis not being biased toward defenders First point is brutal to run back to, and, uhhh... no real choke point for point B meaning you have to defend from three directions at once with no clear sightlines on the two flanks? Best I got v  v
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Oct 6, 2016 18:03
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those are all fair arguments
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Oct 6, 2016 18:05
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speaking of those flanks, I got hosed as Mercy in a comp game because our team completely ignored the big stone blocks next to left side defense spawn. I would try to come out and they had two people ring-around-the-rosieing and making GBS threads on everyone coming out left
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Oct 6, 2016 18:08
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:None of the 2CP maps are biased towards defenders, they're insanely biased towards offense. It's just that the conditions that make them so depend on organization. hanamura absolutely is not
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Hackan Slash posted:Defense may have an advantage on any single team fight (especially in lower levels when people trickle) but offense usually has the overall advantage because they just need to win one fight to cap the point while the defense has to win them all. Full holds still happen all the time even in masters and grand masters matches. Successful delays and recuperations on point B holds are something that come back in high diamond games, so winning decisively may get you a tick or two onto the point but it's only a full cap maybe half of the time. Point A is definitely a single decisive win captures the point, but point B is totally up in the air even when an offensive push wipes the enemy team. Also I would say that the maps only favor the defenders if they're not doofuses, and most people even into high diamond play like complete dumbasses and do not leverage any of the terrain or chokes that they have available to them. Even when people jump that hurdle and actually take the good terrain, they won't maneuver when the enemy team pushes somewhere where that terrain no longer favors the defending side. People are really bad at dynamically defending those maps. Commoners fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 18:24
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I'm just sort of confused at this point. I placed at like 2600 and stayed there for a week and a half, up and down. Today and yesterday I've plummeted to 2100. Up until then it's been mostly good even games, tense matches. Today I've played 4, and in each one we failed to even nudge the payload on attack, and failed to even stop it from moving on defense. I've been doing as good (or bad) as I normally do, and I'm not angry or tilting, but this is the biggest streak of crushing stomps I've ever had. Like, why though? It isn't like I can see one person loving up super hard, it just seems that everyone is playing like trash. Am I just on a really really bad unlucky streak or what? I haven't won a game in the last 9
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Oct 6, 2016 18:38
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Is there some reason lately people have stopped defending Hanamura point B at the point? Like it's the braindead easy to defend by just walking out of the spawn. But lately it seems that I keep getting placed on teams that decide they want to try to spawn camp the opponent.
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Oct 6, 2016 18:40
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Oct 6, 2016 19:03
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As expected. Now lets see them skins.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:06
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I demand at least one skin for Zenyatta. Give him a rubber human suit.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:09
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Bumper Stickup posted:I demand at least one skin for Zenyatta. Give him a rubber human suit. A gimp suit and his orbs are fetish balls
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Oct 6, 2016 19:23
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I've been saving all of my gold just in case they decide to let us use it on event skins, but I fully expect the same rules as the summer games stuff.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:39
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MacheteZombie posted:A gimp suit and his orbs are fetish balls The safe word is tranquility.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:41
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I have like 6000 gold because I have the stuff I like for characters that I use already. I'd appreciate something to use it on.
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Oct 6, 2016 19:41
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Bumper Stickup posted:The safe word is tranquility. You don't use a word you scream out constantly (with elation) as a safe word. No one likes a tease that sends mixed messages!
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Oct 6, 2016 19:47
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Andrast posted:I have like 6000 gold because I have the stuff I like for characters that I use already. I'd appreciate something to use it on. Adorable. Blizzard will gently caress us over less than last time but make no mistake Blizzard will still be loving us. They made the summer games complete and utter poo poo so that when they introduce the system they wanted all along it looks great in comparison. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 19:53
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Andrast posted:I have like 6000 gold because I have the stuff I like for characters that I use already. I'd appreciate something to use it on. yea same. I doubt they'll let us buy anything for the events but at least I can instantly set up whatever character they add
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Oct 6, 2016 19:57
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Duck and Cover posted:Adorable. Blizzard will gently caress us over less than last time but make no mistake Blizzard will still be loving us. They made the summer games complete and utter poo poo so that when they introduce the system they wanted all along it looks great in comparison. Yeah they really hosed us over not letting us buy meaningless cosmetic items with fake money, you tell'em.
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Oct 6, 2016 20:02
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I'm 129 so I'll probably buy a couple as I'm at the xp per level max.
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The summer games event should have had a way to try for particular items you want, and hopefully they're willing to correct that this time around.
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Kai Tave posted:Yeah they really hosed us over not letting us buy meaningless cosmetic items with fake money, you tell'em. It's as if these events take resources that could be spent on making the game better. Nevermind the game is free after all. Wait the game isn't free? Oh. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 20:10
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Yeah tell the art department to fix roadhog's hook
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Oct 6, 2016 20:14
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Wait, does xp and leveling differ depending on what level you are or something?
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Oct 6, 2016 20:15
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im gay posted:Wait, does xp and leveling differ depending on what level you are or something? Every time you prestige (which happens every 100 levels) it wraps you back around to level 1 with a new decorative attaboy on your character border, and it also resets your XP track to what it was at level 1 as well which means that you level up faster for a short while until the track goes back to its usual length.
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If those loving writers spent more time coding alternate Symmetra kits then she probably wouldn't be poo poo.
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Duck and Cover posted:It's as if these events take resources that could be spend on making the game better. Nevermind the game is free after all. Division of labor is a thing, even in game development though. You aren't going to retask the netcode or physics guys to think of new event costumes and artwork.
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Commoners posted:If those loving writers spent more time coding alternate Symmetra kits then she probably wouldn't be poo poo. imagine metzen writing code as well as he writes characters
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Afraid of Audio posted:imagine metzen writing code as well as he writes characters Something something code is corrupted, etc.
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FAUXTON posted:Division of labor is a thing, even in game development though. You aren't going to retask the netcode or physics guys to think of new event costumes and artwork. This is a neato argument that everyone always rushes to point out. Here's the thing, the artists seem to be working on event poo poo without ever releasing none event poo poo (yes I know Anna/Reinhardt and a map). More stuff to buy with gold was expected, as well as more maps (you need an artist for that right? Not necessarily but for Blizzard most definitely ). Oh what were the programmers doing? Making loving lucio ball. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 6, 2016 |
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Oct 6, 2016 20:35
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im gay posted:Wait, does xp and leveling differ depending on what level you are or something? it takes more xp to level up until it hits 22k per level, then resets when you prestige
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Duck and Cover posted:This is a neato argument that everyone always rushes to point out. Here's the thing, the artists seem to be working on event poo poo without ever releasing none event poo poo (yes I know Anna/Reinhardt and a map). More stuff to buy with gold was expected, as well as more maps (you need an artist for that right? Not necessarily but for Blizzard most definitely ). Oh what were the programmers doing? Making loving lucio ball. 
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Duck and Cover posted:This is a neato argument that everyone always rushes to point out. Here's the thing, the artists seem to be working on event poo poo without ever releasing none event poo poo (yes I know Anna/Reinhardt and a map). More stuff to buy with gold was expected, as well as more maps (you need an artist for that right? Not necessarily but for Blizzard most definitely ). Oh what were the programmers doing? Making loving lucio ball. this is very dumb and bad
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Duck and Cover posted:This is a neato argument that everyone always rushes to point out. Here's the thing, the artists seem to be working on event poo poo without ever releasing none event poo poo (yes I know Anna/Reinhardt and a map). More stuff to buy with gold was expected, as well as more maps (you need an artist for that right? Not necessarily but for Blizzard most definitely ). Oh what were the programmers doing? Making loving lucio ball. your av and red text are surprisingly accurate.
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I looked at Reinhardt's help screen and my eyes bugged out when I saw he only had a difficulty rating of 1-star. Really? He's like one of the hardest characters to use effectively. At least it must explain all the atrocious pubbies I see standing in doorways all game thinking they're helping.
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ITT people who don't have DnC on ignore. And I thought I've seen it all.
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junan_paalla posted:ITT people who don't have DnC on ignore. And I thought I've seen it all. PSA: Go to Profile > Ignore this user so you can be like us. Kite Pride Worldwide posted:I looked at Reinhardt's help screen and my eyes bugged out when I saw he only had a difficulty rating of 1-star. Really? He's like one of the hardest characters to use effectively. At least it must explain all the atrocious pubbies I see standing in doorways all game thinking they're helping. I feel like this is definitely geared to really new players to FPS games?
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Kite Pride Worldwide posted:I looked at Reinhardt's help screen and my eyes bugged out when I saw he only had a difficulty rating of 1-star. Really? He's like one of the hardest characters to use effectively. At least it must explain all the atrocious pubbies I see standing in doorways all game thinking they're helping. you can stand in a doorway and hold m2 and still be kinda useful. the rating is basically "how little mechanical skill do you need to perform the basic function of this hero"
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Manatee Cannon posted:you can stand in a doorway and hold m2 and still be kinda useful. the rating is basically "how little mechanical skill do you need to perform the basic function of this hero" Yeah, I agree that good Reinhardt play is more than holding M2 in a doorway but at the same time imagine these same atrocious Reinhardt players trying to play someone like Zarya where you have to juggle two abilities on cooldown to manage your charge and keep an eye on your shields to know when to duck behind cover to let them recharge and when to use M1 (a weapon which relies on good tracking skill to get the most out of it) versus M2, knowing when and how to use Graviton Surge, etc.
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