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a bone to pick posted:Like just set up that she was aware of the force in some way and instantly her Mary sue card is revoked. They literally had a scene where Han Solo tells them the Force is real and not the mumbo jumbo like in the stories where they heard about the Force.
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Capntastic posted:If Rey's characterization seems hollow it's because all we learn of her is "junk scavenger" and she had no other characters to communicate woth before the plot kicks up. Compare to Luke who is a poor teenager who collects model spaceships and dirtbikes with his friends when he can skip out on farm chores. If anything Rey living in abject poverty should have provided more opportunities to drum up sympathy but they portrayed her as a stoic, working class schmuck who has no real goals or aspirations. She wanted to go into space. She had a helmet.
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a bone to pick posted:None of these complaints would be valid if they had like one little scene showing her using the force when scavenging, like force pulling a piece of junk towards her or using the force to swing on her rope to grab some junk. Just show her having supernaturally good instincts at picking scrap piles to dig through and being able to drive a cartoonishly hard bargain on the scrap dealer just by asking nicely and the guy is confused about why he's so nice to her. Show her being unaware of these powers and abusing them without knowing.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:20
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Rei wasnt really the big issue with the movie the fact that the entire movie was just rehashing poo poo from the old ones was the biggest issue "we're finally making a new star wars movie! It's EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE OLD ONES"
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Oct 7, 2016 20:24
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Capntastic posted:Just show her having supernaturally good instincts at picking scrap piles to dig through and being able to drive a cartoonishly hard bargain on the scrap dealer just by asking nicely and the guy is confused about why he's so nice to her. Show her being unaware of these powers and abusing them without knowing. Maybe she could have a scene with another scavenger and she explains that she gets intuition of where to look and when danger's approaching. Maybe because she can sense danger and the other person can't, the other person ends up dying. Or even a moment where she's being super assertive and shouts something like, "You're not going to screw me over on this" and the giant pig-man gives her those food packets and repeats, "I'm not going to screw you over on this."
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Oct 7, 2016 20:25
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Zzulu posted:Rei wasnt really the big issue with the movie It's like they didn't think it was worth the time to have any sort of character development or show people's origins or really explain who characters are because we already know which character they're re-hashing. "Oh she's the new Luke, right, poor on a desert planet and super good at the force, you don't need to tell me anymore I know who luke is."
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Oct 7, 2016 20:28
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MrSlam posted:I must be in the category of 'bad nerd' cause it always bothered me that Luke suddenly knew how to use the force to move things in Empire. I didn't equate Force with Telekinesis. Same for when he did that super-jump during the Vader fight, but then he had the excuse of training with Yoda. When I saw Empire I was a little baby (it was still my fav. tho because I was a cool baby) and it didn't bother me because the force was all mysterious and poo poo and since Darth Vader could choke people it wasn't like I hadn't encountered the idea that it could do physical stuff before. Five year old me says Luke pulling his lightsaber toward him is legit.
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The TFA almost review was good but not nearly good enough to justify a solid month of no half in the bag, et al, videos.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:30
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Mr. Jive posted:They literally had a scene where Han Solo tells them the Force is real and not the mumbo jumbo like in the stories where they heard about the Force. So somehow that translates into her instantly knowing how to use the force?
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Oct 7, 2016 20:31
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Rey not wanting to do the force stuff or go on adventures is a JJ Abrams inversion thing Where they're taking plot points wholesale from a movie and then reverse some of them. Example: what if SPOCK yelled KAAAHN this time. Luke wants to live Tatooine, Rey wants to stay on "Tatooine". They're similar characters who want opposite things. It turns out it's a terrible idea and makes her less interesting but they weren't thinking of that. The inversion thing is a really stupid practice and it's an excuse to be even less original than they'd be otherwise eg, they're not making up a new thing and thinking through how it works, the entire point of doing it is still motivated by what the original did. I remember seeing several other things that were "Let's do the opposite of something the first Star Wars movie did and say we're being clever" but I can't really remember them well.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:31
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It always seemed like a huge miss that the saber isn't something that can only be used via the force manipulation. Like, normies can't even activate them specific. Something about the crystal or how long the blade is could be explicitly linked to a wielders knowledge and use of the force. Not just deflecting shots and junk.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:32
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Better Fred Than Dead posted:It always seemed like a huge miss that the saber isn't something that can only be used via the force manipulation. I see your Schwartz is longer than mine.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:33
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I actually thought for a long time that the ability to use a light saber was only linked to jedis and siths because of the force. Like, I don't know where I got that idea from. Like, the idea of robots using sabers in the prequels was not weird? Plus then you can have cool stuff like finn being able to fight, even poorly, as something relevatory because it means he's attuned in some degree
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Oct 7, 2016 20:35
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Why doesn't a force user just sit behind some sturdy metal and fight by levitating a hundred glowing lightsabers around, like this but with lightsabers 
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Oct 7, 2016 20:41
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RaySmuckles posted:except that the whole original trilogy, the one we all like, was about luke searching for someone to teach him the ways of the force. you know, teacher characters like "obi wan kenobi" and "yoda." its already established that its something that requires a teacher, training, and years of practice. Yeah that's fair. Still, what did they really teach him? Obi Wan was all "Use the Force trust in the Force trust your emotions" and Yoda was all "Stop trying to do it and just do it." Nobody taught Luke how to descend into the third level of subawareness and use midichlorians to connect the locii of his hand and the lightsaber.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:42
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let's make a 3rd death star, but EVEN BIGGER and it can BLOW UP MORE PLANETS LIKE A SPACE SHOTGUN
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Better Fred Than Dead posted:I actually thought for a long time that the ability to use a light saber was only linked to jedis and siths because of the force. Like, I don't know where I got that idea from. I always thought it's not that you literally have to use the force to turn on a light saber, it's just that you need crazy magic powers to ever make it a practical weapon. Any rando today could take a sword and slice open a dead farm animal to crawl inside and stay warm, but to fight a battle with a sword where everyone else is shooting you with guns and you're just deflecting that poo poo you have to have space magic.
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Do we really need a training sequence? Can we just kinda move on to something more interesting?
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:Do we really need a training sequence? Can we just kinda move on to something more interesting? Why develop characters? Just have them do things!
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Mr. Jive posted:Yeah that's fair. Still, what did they really teach him? Obi Wan was all "Use the Force trust in the Force trust your emotions" and Yoda was all "Stop trying to do it and just do it." Nobody taught Luke how to descend into the third level of subawareness and use midichlorians to connect the locii of his hand and the lightsaber. Well, we see obi wan training him with the helmet and laser ball, but your point is well taken. I figure its like obi wan just left him some text books and he did some self study. or he at least taught luke some rudimentary exercises and luke just practiced those a bunch. because its definitely true that there wasn't much one on one time with obi wan considering he gets snuffed in the death star early on. the moving poo poo thing seems pretty low level to me, so luke could have been aware he could move stuff (told by obi wan), practiced moving small stuff, and then the lightsaber was like the biggest thing he'd ever tried and he struggled with it but got it just in time! also, lol, i'm more inclined to believe the force is more fluid than your hilarious last sentence. man, people dug too deep into how it all works, lol. CharlestonJew posted:let's make a 3rd death star, but EVEN BIGGER and it can BLOW UP MORE PLANETS LIKE A SPACE SHOTGUN yeah, this was hands down the dumbest part of the whole loving movie.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:Why doesn't a force user just sit behind some sturdy metal and fight by levitating a hundred glowing lightsabers around, like this but with lightsabers Zzulu posted:Rei wasnt really the big issue with the movie PLEASE! STOP DOING THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT!
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Krinkle posted:The TFA almost review was good but not nearly good enough to justify a solid month of no half in the bag, et al, videos. They could have made a BotW without Mike. But they chose not to.
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Oct 7, 2016 21:24
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dreezy posted:I loving hate copyright and what it's done to media criticism and analysis. those montages at the end of the clones and sith reviews flawlessly juxtaposed the emotion and magic of the original trilogy with the utter soullessness of the prequels. they're easily the best editing rlm has ever done, exemplars of the film essay format. thank gently caress the moneygrubbing capitalist pigdogs didn't remove the force theme from the end of the ep2 montage and neuter it like they did to ep3. it's absolutely fair use and youtube can suck the poo poo out of my b-hole. I rewatched the ep3 reviews and I agree completely - the trench run music carries so much emotion for that part and that royalty free music is just awful. with the death of blip, there's no way to see the original either 
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Zzulu posted:a wise decision
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Grondoth posted:Why develop characters? Just have them do things! "Can't we just know they drove there?" Also, R2D2 is the Mary Sue in these movies.
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Grondoth posted:Why develop characters? Just have them do things!
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Bunch of cool guys nodding and repeating to themselves that episode 7 was bad itt. There's pre-rec vids up currently where Rich Evans refuses to accept Starship Troopers is a satirical film and doesn't openly endorse fascism.
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I don't know what's funnier, fascists who thought Starship troopers was a rad movie that totally showed their military dystopia as awesome and a good society and totally wasn't mocking them, or the ones who understood it was a parody and were extremely upset that the movie mocked the poo poo out of the "political philosophy" of the book ?
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Paul Verhoven, survivor of Nazi occupation and fascism supporter
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Starship troopers is amazing because it is both very satirical and very sincere at the same time and actually makes it work. It's also a war movie that has two high school love triangles going on concurrently and solves them by having the third guy/girl in each one killed by aliens. Paul Verhoeven is brilliant.
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Captain Lavender posted:"Can't we just know they drove there?" I think there's a decent argument to be made for this yeah.
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The part that surprised me the most during TFA was the part when finn revealed to ray in that bar that he was lying the whole time about being a resistance fighter and is actually a defected imperial troop and ray understood/forgave the deception like an adult and didn't immediately flip the gently caress out and throw a tantrum because he lied to her like every loving annoying rear end side character does in every single movie ever made any time someone discovers they were lied to regardless of its justification. other than that ray sucks rear end, has as much personality as a prequels character and I hope she does get irreversibly turned to the dark side and kyloren reluctantly becomes good because that is supremely my poo poo and would make both characters way better :-]
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The Force Awakens was a well made movie for eight year olds, featuring a character eight year old girls would absolutely love, and my eight year old daughter thought it was super awesome, and I was very happy to watch a movie with her that I didn't hate. 5 loving stars. Succeeds on all levels.
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Starship troopers was really good and probably the first movie that made me realize what a satire is. That and Top Secret!
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I figured Rey knew how to use force things because she'd been training with Luke when she was, like, three. Then she was taken away and dumped in the desert for some reason. Or no reason. But she was too young to really remember the details of the training, but it still left her with subconscious force skills. It would be really neat if the next movie actually explained her background, and they're clearly setting that up by having her meet (or return to) Luke.
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temple posted:Starship troopers was really good and probably the first movie that made me realize what a satire is. That and Top Secret! Top Secret and Airplane have those scene framing gags that are some of the funniest things in cinema because they are so unexpected. 
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If the new films don't have at least one where they bring BoShek back, they can 'GoFeck' off. (I hope Rey is really BoShek's daughter.)Echo Chamber posted:I'd argue that Batman, Jason Bourne, Frank Underwood, and Liam Neeson are all Mary Sues. I find the hyper-competent Sue way more annoying than the self-insert Sue. And Rey isn't really either. Conversely, a character like Batman has sort of been tempered with being constantly presented as emotionally unstable, an rear end in a top hat and alienating to the people closest to him (which might make him the greatest, truest self-insert character/Mary Sue of them all.) Another thing is that a lot of characters like Batman are being critiqued a lot recently in criticisms that put them in a very negative light due to their characterization. Half the posts in some threads are about how Batman is NOT a heroic figure and is in-fact the greatest criminal menace in Gotham, that he's a piece of poo poo for even BEING Batman at all and he's worse than useless, etc.. JediTalentAgent fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Oct 8, 2016 |
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JediTalentAgent posted:Half the posts in some threads are about how Batman is NOT a heroic figure and is in-fact the greatest criminal menace in Gotham, that he's a piece of poo poo for even BEING Batman at all and he's worse than useless, etc.. I hate how in recent films (not just Batman) theyre doing this thing where they argue that the heros ARE the problem because the bad guys come to fight them. Thats like saying the police are the problem when people commit crimes. Its a dumb argument, and if the heros werent there youd all be slaves or dead.
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