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just don't even bother trying to do oop poo poo in javascript hth
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Oct 7, 2016 19:40
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HoboMan posted:just don't even bother trying to do oop poo poo in javascript hth i think you'll find java is right in the name so bloated piles of boilerplate classes are implied
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Oct 7, 2016 19:42
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JewKiller 3000 posted:if your third party library doesn't provide .d.ts files then it's probably scrub tier poo poo that you should avoid anyway hth I did have the d.ts files. I'm done with it for now, already half done with my lovely pjavascript code.
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Oct 7, 2016 19:43
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HoboMan posted:just don't even bother trying to do oop poo poo in javascript hth im not sure if were expected to or not. this portion of the class is called "javascript basics", but the framework is asp.net with c# as the code behind so i cant imagine wed be using js for much more than client-side data validation and some dynamic ui poo poo. they waste a whole bunch of time talking about how we create namespaces by making objects that just house objects and functions and poo poo, which worries me.
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Oct 7, 2016 20:01
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I prefer d.va files
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Oct 7, 2016 20:02
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:im not sure if were expected to or not. this portion of the class is called "javascript basics", but the framework is asp.net with c# as the code behind so i cant imagine wed be using js for much more than client-side data validation and some dynamic ui poo poo. Your use of the term "code behind" is worrying. Sounds like they are only teaching you Web Forms. Do not use Web Forms full stop. Use ASP.NET MVC and Web API (if you need some web services). What you're describing about the objects is how you do namespaces in pjavascript before the more recent ecmascript standards. It's fine, really. I would follow that standard otherwise you have all these functions and variables on the global namespace and you can inadvertently clobber built-in functions or even your own (more likely). Finster Dexter fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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Oct 7, 2016 20:35
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Luigi Thirty posted:I prefer d.va files 
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Oct 7, 2016 20:38
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jony neuemonic posted:a friend of mine is doing a programming bootcamp right now, using javascript. trying to answer their questions is really making me appreciate how wacky javascript is. i pity them
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Oct 7, 2016 20:51
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oh god triggered my ptsd from trying to learn React a few months ago
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Oct 7, 2016 21:01
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yeah i thought i might try some dynamic java-scripty front end for something i was working on last year and started from knowledge of such things in 2013 i discovered everything i knew was broken and/or abandoned
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Oct 7, 2016 21:11
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this is too accurate to be funny also i just remembered i promised drag-and-drop on one of our pages 
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Oct 7, 2016 21:14
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Finster Dexter posted:Your use of the term "code behind" is worrying. Sounds like they are only teaching you Web Forms. Do not use Web Forms full stop. Use ASP.NET MVC and Web API (if you need some web services). um... i dont have a choice? our client framework is asp.net with web forms. that is what we use. so that is what the training is oriented around.
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Oct 7, 2016 21:15
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That was 100% worth reading to the end.
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Oct 7, 2016 21:15
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:um... i dont have a choice? our client framework is asp.net with web forms. that is what we use. so that is what the training is oriented around. Yeah, same here. That sucks then. Just try not to put too much business logic into the code behinds. Devs who come in later will thank you.
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Oct 7, 2016 21:17
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Finster Dexter posted:Yeah, same here. That sucks then. Just try not to put too much business logic into the code behinds. Devs who come in later will thank you. heh hahahaha AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA 
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Oct 7, 2016 21:20
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Finster Dexter posted:Yeah, same here. That sucks then. Just try not to put too much business logic into the code behinds. Devs who come in later will thank you. well, the tradeoff to make is that the other place business logic can execute is the caché server which would require that you serialize any data it would need, send it to the server as strings in an rpc, gently caress with the data, then send it back as strings with the rpc, parse and do whatever with it in the c# web server, then pass that back to the client. so, u know, slow as poo poo and frankly a lot of the logic is probably easier to do efficiently in c# than it is in mumps. its fuckin dumb dude.
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Oct 7, 2016 21:23
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Finster Dexter posted:What do you mean by "natural keys"? if you have a row with a stable column (or combination of columns) that uniquely identifies the row you don't need a synthetic key. just use that as the key like if your database deals with transaction ids, just use the transaction id as the key. or if you are dealing with account ids, use that note that if you can edit the column, it's not a great candidate key as you'll have to update it everywhere it appears. so don't use email addresses or account usernames if you let users edit them. use a surrogate key in those cases
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Oct 7, 2016 21:26
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:im not sure if were expected to or not. this portion of the class is called "javascript basics", but the framework is asp.net with c# as the code behind so i cant imagine wed be using js for much more than client-side data validation and some dynamic ui poo poo. in javascript, every single idiot thing is an object, or two objects in a trenchcoat. if it's a noun, it's an object. this is good, because you can do tricky and clever things if everything is data but it's bad, because you can do tricky and clever things if everything is data EDIT: js has only the most notional idea of how OOP is supposed to work. "objects, got it" EDIT EDIT: vvvv "yeah, totally cool, you do you, man. you do that. you do it recursively, never stop" LordSaturn fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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Oct 7, 2016 21:33
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"yospos".constructor.constructor("console.log('bithc');")();
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Oct 7, 2016 21:40
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:well, the tradeoff to make is that the other place business logic can execute is the caché server which would require that you serialize any data it would need, send it to the server as strings in an rpc, gently caress with the data, then send it back as strings with the rpc, parse and do whatever with it in the c# web server, then pass that back to the client. so, u know, slow as poo poo and frankly a lot of the logic is probably easier to do efficiently in c# than it is in mumps. You should still, at the least, be able to create some folder structure with business logic classes in them. Even that will go a long way. Just don't fill up the aspx.cs files with all that garbage. I almost weep every time I open up one of ours.
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Oct 7, 2016 21:48
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all i know about javascript is if i need some i go on snackoverflow and find something close and then head over to jsfiddle or bootply and change stuff until it works
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Oct 7, 2016 21:51
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Finster Dexter posted:You should still, at the least, be able to create some folder structure with business logic classes in them. Even that will go a long way. Just don't fill up the aspx.cs files with all that garbage. I almost weep every time I open up one of ours. oh yeah we definitely do that. our old vb6 code intermingles the business logic into .ctl files way too much. we're trying to be very strict about encapsulating business stuff into classes specifically for that purpose.
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Oct 7, 2016 21:51
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Finster Dexter posted:You should still, at the least, be able to create some folder structure with business logic classes in them. Even that will go a long way. Just don't fill up the aspx.cs files with all that garbage. I almost weep every time I open up one of ours. just do what i was thinking of doing with our code and implement you own jank MVC. the code behind is just for passing objects and data around AND NOTHING ELSE. call functions that exist in or on other things to actually logic them up e: perhaps i should reload the page before posting
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Oct 7, 2016 22:11
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hobbesmaster posted:i think you'll find java is right in the name so bloated piles of boilerplate classes are implied java has significantly less boilerplate involved in OOP than javascript by a significant margin. i don't even know what the "right" way of doing OOP in javascript is these days, but a quick googling suggests it's still insane.
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Oct 7, 2016 22:22
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javascript is a functional language, duh
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Oct 7, 2016 22:45
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pointsofdata posted:javascript is a non-functioning language, duh
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Oct 7, 2016 22:47
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pointsofdata posted:javascript is a functional language, duh barely!!!
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Oct 7, 2016 22:47
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.net core might be a bunch of janky, half-working nonsense but at least no one can sneak loving web forms in there on me.
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Oct 7, 2016 23:03
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jony neuemonic posted:.net core might be a bunch of janky, half-working nonsense but at least no one can sneak loving web forms in there on me. 
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Oct 7, 2016 23:04
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js is kewl, whiners. in that everyone hates it so much there's so many god damned jobs around here. it's got the biggest rift b/w poo poo and good programmers you get treated like a god in interviews
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Oct 7, 2016 23:15
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HoboMan posted:just don't even bother trying to do oop poo poo in javascript hth altho I got denied in an interview becuase I didn't (pointlessly) oop my js. bad company
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Oct 7, 2016 23:16
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Flat Daddy posted:js is kewl, whiners. in that everyone hates it so much there's so many god damned jobs around here. it's got the biggest rift b/w poo poo and good programmers you get treated like a god in interviews yeah but then you have to work with pjavascript all day every day NO THANKS
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Oct 7, 2016 23:31
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javascript is the comic sans of programming languages
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Oct 7, 2016 23:37
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Shaman Linavi posted:all i know about javascript is if i need some i go on snackoverflow and find something close and then head over to jsfiddle or bootply and change stuff until it works btw this is most people's experience and then they bloo bloo about how javascript is a terrible language when the copy paste job they cobbled together breaks down in production. javascript has its warts but it is, by no means, the worst of the plangs. not by far, imo
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Oct 7, 2016 23:42
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qntm posted:javascript is the comic sans of programming languages
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Oct 7, 2016 23:45
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i loving hate software "engineers" so much. there's currently a conversation in the newbie thread in coc about coming in late and how people get annoyed at them and why shouldn't they be able to waltz in at noon? loving man-children with a god complex each and every one of them
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Oct 7, 2016 23:45
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qntm posted:javascript is the comic sans of programming languages closer to times new roman ubiquitous, boring, and ugly compared to actual good fonts. ruby is truly the comic sans of programming languages. it's a garbage fire of tiny little garbage fires and i loving hate it
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Oct 7, 2016 23:47
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Blinkz0rz posted:i loving hate software "engineers" so much. there's currently a conversation in the newbie thread in coc about coming in late and how people get annoyed at them and why shouldn't they be able to waltz in at noon? I love using .NET and c# at work but I kind of hate the CoC .NET thread.
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Oct 7, 2016 23:49
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Finster Dexter posted:I love using .NET and c# at work but I kind of hate the CoC .NET thread. i post there on occasion but i honestly prefer just coming in here and lighting the shaggar signal.
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Blinkz0rz posted:closer to times new roman comic sans was designed by an expert
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