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Sir Lucius posted:I understand if you have years left and have to drink some kool aid to make the pain go away. But getting rid of rates with no transition period was a horrible idea. Like, it's embarrassing how bad an idea it is, and pretty much makes me lose all confidence in the decision making capabilities of the navy. That is again what makes me go "what". Normally, the navy does weeks and years of research before literally coughing. I mean for the gay changes, they had weeks of change. But for this bullshit, it was lol get wrecked we remove rates with no plan.
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The more information I see the more convinced I am that this was forced on the Navy by SECNAV without buy-in by the CNO.
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Oct 7, 2016 14:22
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:heh if you were out you wouldn't have any reason to care
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ManMythLegend posted:The more information I see the more convinced I am that this was forced on the Navy by SECNAV without buy-in by the CNO. So rates to return in 4 months then?
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Oct 7, 2016 15:12
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Nostalgia4Dicks posted:heh if you were out you wouldn't have any reason to care Makes me so glad for my blue ID card.
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Oct 7, 2016 16:05
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Sir Lucius posted:So rates to return in 4 months then? As well as the announcement of the shittiest ship to sail the seas, named after Mabus, primarily compiled of ropes, sheet metal, and chewed bubble gum.
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Oct 7, 2016 17:09
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Eh, Mabus did some cool poo poo. Remember when the Navy decided that new born children should have a parent around for a while and the Navy was going to support that? That was pretty cool.
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Oct 7, 2016 17:43
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I think the gay, women, and transgender changes were all good and welcomed by most. This change doesn't even make sense from a political correctness motivation. It was a dumb idea last week, and as dumb ideas go I usually just say gently caress it and end up accepting them. But somehow it's an even dumber idea this week. I just see there being years of confusion until they work their poo poo out, if not an entire decade. I predict most enlisted to still be refering to themselves as a series of letters 2 years from now.
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Boon posted:Eh, Mabus did some cool poo poo. Yeah, on the whole Mabus made a lot of good changes.
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Oct 7, 2016 22:59
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The reactors just needed more power...
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Sir Lucius posted:I think the gay, women, and transgender changes were all good and welcomed by most. This change doesn't even make sense from a political correctness motivation. It was a dumb idea last week, and as dumb ideas go I usually just say gently caress it and end up accepting them. But somehow it's an even dumber idea this week. I just see there being years of confusion until they work their poo poo out, if not an entire decade. I predict most enlisted to still be refering to themselves as a series of letters 2 years from now. One good thing has come of this change. A week of snarky email signatures incorporating NOS codes until a good balance was found with what the command will accept. My email signature now has a solid Loveshack by the B-52's reference in it.
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Oct 8, 2016 04:26
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We've been calling our poor instructors by their full title and everyone is getting a little tired of all the extra syllables.
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Oct 8, 2016 04:34
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I honestly never really minded it. I guess if you cross-rate, you don't put your entire identity on a job title.
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I work at a place that is strictly first names only, so I haven't really had to deal with the effects of the change, aside from altering our outgoing correspondence. But yeah, it's looking like something is very wrong at the top with how this is being implemented.
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Oct 8, 2016 14:24
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Minority report: some of the best changes to have ever come to the Navy happened more or less like this. Zumwalt's beards, beer on ships, kicking the then two century old tradition of wearing full dress uniform to every meal, it all happened with him pushing the "NAVADMIN" button in his office without telling anyone outside of his immediate staff. Putting chiefs in khaki got unironic opposition in congress. Big Z once said that if there's a change you want to make and it's 60/40 for/against, "do it and see how loud the screaming is".
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Oct 8, 2016 14:39
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Zumwalt was the best CNO ever for bluejackets and unless someone basically hides that part of themselves long enough to slip under the radar to the top spot we'll never see someone like him again.
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Oct 8, 2016 14:58
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I love reading Zumwalt poo poo in here what a saint
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Zumwalt was cool, but a lot of his stuff was quality of life improvements. How is your life better now that rates are gone?
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Sir Lucius posted:Zumwalt was cool, but a lot of his stuff was quality of life improvements. How is your life better now that rates are gone? Gray Matter posted:Silver lining in the rate change: IYAOYAS no longer applicable
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Sir Lucius posted:Zumwalt was cool, but a lot of his stuff was quality of life improvements. How is your life better now that rates are gone? If it really gives an easier path than crossrating for people to get new jobs then it fixes a metric fuckton of enlisted retention problems. If you can pick up an NOS like an NEC then there are a lot more opportunities for people to rotate to shore commands and in some cases just stay in the navy.
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Like all the blah blah about tradition is dumb. MML has some very valid complaints with lack of communication and implementation directives. In the end, though, if this makes it easier for people to stay in then it's a net positive for the good of the fleet and will have a tremendous impact on morale.
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I think it's gonna be a painful mess for the next shortwhile but will be fine soon enough and I think it's a great idea altogether Ya they could have not blindsided everyone and had a smoother transition but everyone would still bitch about "mah traditions!" So idk  As someone that's not in I find it pretty hilarious to watch from the sidelines. People freaking the gently caress out
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Oct 9, 2016 02:03
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I think this about sums up how nukes feel about this whole rate thing.
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The Navy Times posted:The Navy’s overwhelmingly unpopular decision to eliminate its time-honored job titles was conceived and advocated by its former top enlisted sailor who, with the backing of its top two admirals, pushed for the controversial change despite having gathered very little input from the rank-and-file personnel principally affected, Navy Times has learned. Article
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Oct 9, 2016 16:42
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Still going to do the same job, who cares
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Mr. Nice! posted:If it really gives an easier path than crossrating for people to get new jobs then it fixes a metric fuckton of enlisted retention problems. If you can pick up an NOS like an NEC then there are a lot more opportunities for people to rotate to shore commands and in some cases just stay in the navy. "If" What is their plan to implement this cross training system? As far as I can tell there is no plan. So you can have more than one NOS? Why not just make a plan to have more than one rate and leave rates alone? That would have required work, discussion, actual implementation outside a closed door. Instead we get sweeping changes to inflate the ego of a lame duck secnav. As the details of this come to light it's becoming more and more clear that the Navy has no loving clue what they're doing. I can't believe they let us have nuclear weapons.
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Oct 9, 2016 20:44
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Didn't they already start a pilot program for easier cross-rating a few months back? Something about if there was a reasonable similarity/need between your actual assigned duties and another NEC, you could go to school to pick it up? The petty officer change might benefit some of the people who work for me in that case. Ashore they perform the duties of a YN with a special NEC, at sea they're actually ISs. I'd love to be able to send them to a quick school so they can have two NOSs instead of one NEC that usually doesn't describe what they actually do.
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Sir Lucius posted:"If" You'll see it take effect about the time you're retiring and after Mabus dies as one last "gently caress you" to him from the service.
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According to the current events thread, the USS Mason had something shot at it from Yemen. The statement totally makes it seem like they noticed right away. Suuure. Really poo poo that the rebels have enough missile stock to lob them....and the oth targeting capability to determine military ships from civilian.
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Laranzu posted:According to the current events thread, the USS Mason had something shot at it from Yemen. They were using an etch-a-sketch and telescope.
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Laranzu posted:According to the current events thread, the USS Mason had something shot at it from Yemen. Gulf of Tonkin 2
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Oct 10, 2016 09:49
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Welp, power just came back on after 2 days since the tip of the hurricane blasted Virginia Beach. Just in time too, I was so bored I was polishing the laminate floors in my house.
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? Moved into a beach rental on dam neck and other than blown down trees, swampy grass and siding ripped off is relatively normal.
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Oct 11, 2016 01:06
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Well yeah, while you were there, 10,000+ people were without power for 48+ hours. This place is hosed up, man.
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Oct 11, 2016 04:44
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I went 5 days without during hermine and some people over a week. loving sucks.
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Oct 11, 2016 05:10
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Yikes sorry man.
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Oct 11, 2016 05:53
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Sup gents. I'm currently applying for the Navy's NUPOC program. It's not a done deal by any means, I haven't even done interviews yet. Found this thread through a google search, and I've been reading through its 157 pages for a couple of days now (there's some serious knowledge in here!!!). It's been nice to see the side of the Navy that isn't on a brochure or in a recruiter fairy tale.
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Oct 11, 2016 21:15
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It seems you've made two poor life choices
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Got my packet submitted for the November Pilot/NFO board, now I've just gotta hurry up and wait for December to hear the results! 
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Cool you have a couple months to get a real job and forgo this retard parade
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