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2spooky4me posted:so do you have a problem with taxes on cigarettes? it's okay if you do but just be consistent about it. Basically this, Dead Reckoning posted:They're lovely and regressive. I don't think it's our job to force people to be health conscious, or otherwise live their lives, because freedom means the right to make sub-optimal choices. But if you do think people are too stupid to be allowed to decide for themselves whether or not to smoke, at least have the integrity to make it illegal for everyone, instead of going for this lovely, paternalistic "it's OK to have bad habits if you're the Right Sort of Person" philosophy. but I'm less (mildly) annoyed because cigarette smoke directly impacts people around the user. But this entire issue ranks super low on my "give a poo poo" list, seriously.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:19
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as a water drinker I have no idea why people are freaking out on soda tax, maybe they should chill out and drink some water since water has never affected me.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:21
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Dead Reckoning posted:They're lovely and regressive. I don't think it's our job to force people to be health conscious, or otherwise live their lives, because freedom means the right to make sub-optimal choices. But if you do think people are too stupid to be allowed to decide for themselves whether or not to smoke, at least have the integrity to make it illegal for everyone, instead of going for this lovely, paternalistic "it's OK to have bad habits if you're the Right Sort of Person" philosophy. ok, but their bad habits create negative externalities which impacts society in the form of increased healthcare costs. so it's a little bit more complicated than "hating freedom/punishing people for making suboptimal life choices".
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Oct 9, 2016 05:21
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y'all talk this big loving game on "regressive taxes" and poo poo but support a party that has historically denied human beings their basic civil liberties. like shut the gently caress up you don't care about poor people and regressive taxes like whatever only the cool white ones maybe
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Oct 9, 2016 05:23
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I'm driving through Canada right now and just got Internet access worth a drat for the first time in three days. Wow, lots of new posts in the news thread... 
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Oct 9, 2016 05:24
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:y'all talk this big loving game on "regressive taxes" and poo poo but support a party that has historically denied human beings their basic civil liberties. like shut the gently caress up you don't care about poor people and regressive taxes like whatever only the cool white ones maybe tax everything, tax childbirth to build an apocalypse weapon to end it all.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:26
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Thank you for the new Fantasy Football teamname and logo
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Oct 9, 2016 05:27
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:y'all talk this big loving game on "regressive taxes" and poo poo but support a party that has historically denied human beings their basic civil liberties. like shut the gently caress up you don't care about poor people and regressive taxes like whatever only the cool white ones maybe I mean I feel you but holy gently caress have the Democrats patronized minority populations in inner cities for decades. No, both parties aren't equal, I understand that, but my rear end just can't get too excited about a log of poo poo with corn in it over a puddle of diarrhea
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Oct 9, 2016 05:33
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yeah maybe but IDK that's probably better than actively working against them like yeah i wish there was a cool and awesome third party that owned but there isnt and I promise you the republicans are the bad guys
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Oct 9, 2016 05:37
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:yeah maybe but IDK that's probably better than actively working against them The Pette Dogges Party or PDP is cool and awesome
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Oct 9, 2016 05:38
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ah let me look back on thousands of years of history and find a time when the crazy religious backwards people were right about something
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Oct 9, 2016 05:39
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2spooky4me posted:ok, but their bad habits create negative externalities which impacts society in the form of increased healthcare costs. so it's a little bit more complicated than "hating freedom/punishing people for making suboptimal life choices".  Yeah, so why is it OK to be a fatty or a smoker if you're rich? Do you really think the Trumps and Romneys are paying for all their externalities themselves? Plenty of behaviors have increased healthcare costs. Drinking. Driving instead of walking. Sleeping around. Should we means test all those too? Here's my idea: Poors have to take the AFPFT every six months, and those that fail get a flag on their EBT card that keeps them from buying butter, whole milk, cookies, soda, and other unhealthy foods.Like I said, you don't really have personal freedom if you're only free to make the choice which the government has determined has the lowest costs for society.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:43
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:ah let me look back on thousands of years of history and find a time when the crazy religious backwards people were right about something the Native Americans knew the white man was Bad News
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Oct 9, 2016 05:44
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https://twitter.com/nbcsnl/status/784962135818379264 http://www.mediaite.com/online/alec-baldwin-outrageously-returns-to-roast-trumps-audio-leak-i-can-do-a-lot-more-than-just-grab-it/
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Oct 9, 2016 05:49
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Dead Reckoning posted:
Rich people have the money to make poor health choices. but I agree we should tax soda, cigarettes and the rich.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:55
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ElMaligno posted:but I agree we should tax soda, cigarettes and the rich.
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Oct 9, 2016 05:55
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VikingSkull posted:the Native Americans knew the white man was Bad News no actually thats just a shameful thing all around and I wouldn't attribute that to anything other than humanity is garbage and should be nuked poo poo
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Oct 9, 2016 05:56
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like people just need to chill the gently caress out for real and not murder everyone an dshit on everyone based one some book or bullshit economic theory man just do the right thing
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Oct 9, 2016 06:01
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:no actually thats just a shameful thing all around and I wouldn't attribute that to anything other than humanity is garbage and should be nuked poo poo the smallpox thing really got us off on a bad foot
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Oct 9, 2016 06:01
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ElMaligno posted:Rich people have the money to make poor health choices. Maybe we should let the poor decide for themselves if they want to bear the increased future health costs of their choices. Or leave the conversation between them and their health insurer.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:03
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fully legalize pot and tax it while you are at it. god drat that would bring in a ton of revenue from poors.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:04
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like maybe we could not spend trillions on a made up war in Iraq and like lol make life own for everyone instead of just a few people like dick cheney and his bros
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Oct 9, 2016 06:04
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Dead Reckoning posted:Then if your baby is going to be on WIC, we taxpayers should get a say in whether or not you're allowed to conceive, right? That's what I think about when I gently caress, too.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:05
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oh you're crazy we can't be nice like blah blah blah man we could just like it starts with you but maybe i'm just on too many drugs and listen to much Lennon
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Oct 9, 2016 06:05
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holocaust bloopers posted:Man I don't have the faintest idea. I wish we had a viable Republican candidate every year if only to challenge the democrats to field a better pick than Hillary. Catching up but this.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:06
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Dead Reckoning posted:Then if your baby is going to be on WIC, we taxpayers should get a say in whether or not you're allowed to conceive, right? limiting the choice of food people can get is more regressive than a tax, but keep on fighting that good fight.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:12
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gently caress, I'm trying to sleep but my "equates cigarette taxes with forced sterilization" alarm went off. I thought it was a broken antique, but I guess not.
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Oct 9, 2016 06:22
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Dead Reckoning posted:Then if your baby is going to be on WIC, we taxpayers should get a say in whether or not you're allowed to conceive, right? you understand how insurance works right?
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Oct 9, 2016 06:27
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Dead Reckoning posted:Maybe we should let the poor decide for themselves
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Oct 9, 2016 06:31
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Governments have used taxes as levers for social policy forever, Dead Reckoning. It isn't some Marxist innovation. In principle this is similar to a tax on cigarettes. The only argument against taxes on unhealthy stuff that holds any water with me  is one that points out the fact that poor people have limited access to healthy alternatives. "Food deserts" exist in poor communities across the US where almost all food options are garbage that would be taxed if we went after SSBs or trans fat or whatever. The tax would just raise the cost of food for people in those areas and perpetuate the cycle of poverty. e: That said, in my opinion the benefits far outweigh the costs. Soda isn't a necessary part of anyone's diet, no matter how few food options they have. Soda taxes have a proven track record on a local level all the way up to a national level. Mexico's success in reducing soda consumption could be replicated here. Eugene V. Dubstep fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Oct 9, 2016 06:42
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Less taxes and poors discussion more Trump implosion news please
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Oct 9, 2016 07:15
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Less taxes and poors discussion more Trump implosion news please It's almost 3 am Eastern, start refreshing his Twitter
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Oct 9, 2016 07:20
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Yeah, I'm at a bar in bumfuck nowhere British Columbia, I need a drip feed of the US imploding while I have a reasonable excuse to stay north of the border. That massive impending earthquake in Seattle that they were talking about a while back would also do the trick.
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Oct 9, 2016 07:30
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:more Trump implosion news please Deadly loving serious, there hasn't been anything in the past few hours except for SNL. It's creepy, I feel lost. Like crazy poo poo happened on a minute-by-minute basis yesterday, then it calmed down for ten minutes so I went to mow my lawn AND THEN loving MCCAIN BAILED. It's quiet. Too quiet.
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Oct 9, 2016 07:39
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Pesticide20 posted:It's almost 3 am Eastern, start refreshing his Twitter
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Oct 9, 2016 07:44
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My problem with Cigarette taxes is that some municipalities go so absolutely crazy with them for ideological reasons that they actually encourage smuggling and organized crime. Someone did a study a few years ago and came to the conclusion that something like 60% of the Cigarettes sold in NYC carried fake tax stamps and were smuggled from out of state. For every smuggled pack sold, NYC lost it's entire potential tax earning. Sin taxes are okay, but there has to be a point when you have to stop and think, "we don't live in a walled city, things can come in from outside. Does taxing this legal product at a rate drastically above neighboring cities/states actually encourage black market activity or cause us to lose revenue on this product due to smuggling and enforcement? Does it fund criminal enterprise?" http://www.villagevoice.com/news/smuggled-untaxed-cigarettes-are-everywhere-in-new-york-city-6717621 http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/10/news/companies/cigarette-tax-new-york/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Smokescreen MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Oct 9, 2016 |
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Oct 9, 2016 07:51
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Oct 9, 2016 08:00
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facialimpediment posted:Deadly loving serious, there hasn't been anything in the past few hours except for SNL. Well today is the debate, and supposedly there are two more releases yet to come about the ol' Trumpster Fire that are on par and worse than "grab her by the pussy" so today could be wonderful as well.
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Oct 9, 2016 08:24
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Well today is the debate, and supposedly there are two more releases yet to come about the ol' Trumpster Fire that are on par and worse than "grab her by the pussy" so today could be wonderful as well. SNL makes a legitimate point that maybe the Hillary camp ought to pull some punches to keep Trump in the race and hurting the GOP candidates down-ticket.
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