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Fargin Icehole posted:I can only imagine the 2020 elections where one of the candidates tries to emulate Trump's bombastic commentary and people won't give him the time of day because they know it's just an angle. President Andrew Dice Clay is a genuine human being
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Polls will begin to show impact from this around Thurs. don't panic about or overcelebrate anything before then
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How so? As far as I know, which isn't a whole lot - "junk polls" - i.e. those by drudge report and poo poo, the ones that don't mean anything at all - have trump winning by a lot And betting markets on which is going to be president had Trump rise slightly during the debate, though not even close to making up for the crater that happened when the tapes were revealed.
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EugeneJ posted:President Andrew Dice Clay is a genuine human being I can only see trump with a leather coat talking about pussy for 15 minutes now
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How so? https://www.predictit.org/Market/1234/Who-will-win-the-2016-US-presidential-election
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Rudy please shut up, or make it worse, whatever.
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Levitate posted:I mean she didn't really answer the question directly but if that's your takeaway from her answer then you have poor cognitive skills so hey Yeah in case anybody hasn't seen the movie, it's basically about some two-faced politicians getting the 13th amendment (A GOOD THING) through the House.
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Good God the sniffing. How much coke you do, Donald?
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EugeneJ posted:https://www.predictit.org/Market/1234/Who-will-win-the-2016-US-presidential-election
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Chelb posted:I'd like to see what the post-debate polls say first, tbqh. The media's spin on things and the public's perception of things aren't always in lockstep. Correct, but as we've repeatedly seen, "who won the debate" is a fairly meaningless question. Debates are context sensitive like all other political events, and the bar for this one was set very low for Trump. It was a referendum on his ability to inspire enough confidence in his own base to keep the calculus for the majority of the GOP leaning towards jumping ship being a bad play. I think he's done that - the GOP who unendorsed are going to come out the losers, he's successfully held his own party at gunpoint, set his terms, and his demands are met.
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speng31b posted:Correct, but as we've repeatedly seen, "who won the debate" is a fairly meaningless question. I feel like the immediate shift towards Clinton after the first presidential debate says otherwise.
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speng31b posted:Correct, but as we've repeatedly seen, "who won the debate" is a fairly meaningless question. Debates are context sensitive like all other political events, and the bar for this one was set very low for Trump. It was a referendum on his ability to inspire enough confidence in his own base to keep the calculus for the majority of the GOP leaning towards jumping ship being a bad play. How are they going to come out losers? If you've walked away from Trump you're playing a longer game than this election.
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EugeneJ posted:President Andrew Dice Clay is a genuine human being Vote for Sulla 2020!
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Jordan7hm posted:How are they going to come out losers? If you've walked away from Trump you're playing a longer game than this election. Yeah. Trump is going to lose. His supporters are going to have to live with that, politically.
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Oct 10, 2016 04:23
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welp trump showed he was as bad a candidate as he is but he didn't actually implode into an 'actually i'm not owned' singularity like I hoped that's my hot take
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Oct 10, 2016 04:24
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Trump barely nudged out "Hindenburg" for beating expectations
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Oct 10, 2016 04:25
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Lord Hydronium posted:MODERATOR: Mr. Trump, how would you do the thing? "Look at how much money I have, you think I can't run this country?!"
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Jordan7hm posted:How are they going to come out losers? If you've walked away from Trump you're playing a longer game than this election. Even Trump loses disastrously and noone remembers him fondly, they'll remember the names of people he calls out, and they'll get hurt in primaries. That's the power of demagoguery in the GOP - anyone can pick it up and use it as a weapon, and it remains effective even if the one who pulled the trigger is long gone.
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CNN super pac guy comparing Trump to Putin puppet Yanukovich. I think those lock her up comments are sticking.
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Chomskyan posted:Uh, her answer was an incoherent mess that sloppily transitioned to red-baiting over Russia. Pointing out the Kremlin's sloppy attempts to influence US electoral politics isn't red-baiting because modern Russia is not a communist regime you hack.
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Oct 10, 2016 04:31
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Like any collapsing market the Trump market was on meltdown five-alarm mode and him cratering at the debate was already priced in at least slightly, now that Trump barely held it together for 90 minutes, Clinton's merely at 77 cents.
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Quorum posted:Pointing out the Kremlin's sloppy attempts to influence US electoral politics isn't red-baiting because modern Russia is not a communist regime you hack.
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disjoe posted:Ford said there was no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe and the moderator literally couldn't believe it and asked him to repeat himself. That sounds similar to my reaction to Trump saying that nuclear weapons are a new thing to Russia.
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Oct 10, 2016 04:33
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:How so? He went +2-3% from the beginning of the debate in the markets.
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After realizing Trump invited several Clinton rape victims to the debate, Clinton staffers placed this lapel pin on Bill to make things less confusing for him
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Oct 10, 2016 04:38
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From the people who watched the debate? That's like asking hatchlings what they think about the worm before it's digested by their mother
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Chomskyan posted:This is what you're going to try to cling on to? Defending Russia's interference with the electoral process of a sovereign nation is poo poo, and if you do it, you're poo poo. If you make spooky noises with your mouth while talking about Russia, bring up the Cold War, or mention commies, then you're red-baiting. Merely bringing Russia up or correctly pointing out actions it has taken in violation of international law doesn't count.
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Oct 10, 2016 04:44
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Holy poo poo conway doubling down on Bill Clinton instead of the tapes
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Oct 10, 2016 04:45
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Honest question: Do people think Trump flubbed his attack against Bill Clinton? It seemed like he was expecting it to be more of a thing and then he just kind of dropped it? Did Clinton do the right thing just not rising to his bait there?
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UCS Hellmaker posted:Holy poo poo conway doubling down on Bill Clinton instead of the tapes She's also saying Trump's critics in Congress are also rapists.
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ImpAtom posted:Honest question: I think he flubbed it. From here it looks like desperate flailing. They at least needed a sound bite on it and didn't get it.
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Quorum posted:Pointing out the Kremlin's sloppy attempts to influence US electoral politics isn't red-baiting because modern Russia is not a communist regime you hack.
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Apparently within that poll, 63% think Trump did better than expected, which makes those numbers a bit funnier imo (and in line with this thread, i think)
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ImpAtom posted:Honest question: She turned it on him. The first chunk of the debate immediately was framed as a discussion on his temperament/etc. When he did try to pivot to Bill it just fell flat in the middle of that discussion.
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57-34 get hosed Trump. And now the media is calling him an "avalanche of lies"
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Trump was all over the place. Any attack line he could get you saw him pull out even when it was in a bad or wrong spot. Look at ISIS or bengazhi, just pulled out of nowhere. Hillary just ignoring it was that the best thing she could have done because it made him come off as flailing even more then he was.
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ImpAtom posted:Honest question: Retro42 posted:She turned it on him. The first chunk of the debate immediately was framed as a discussion on his temperament/etc. When he did try to pivot to Bill it just fell flat in the middle of that discussion. Yeah, the way she teed up her initial answer, tying the tapes to being more of the same of everything else he's said and what it says about who he is took a lot of wind out of the potential sails of "they're just words, not action like what Bill Clinton did". It wasn't an awful way to introduce Bill's past into the issue as a debate strategy but it lost its impact because Hillary had everyone thinking about more than just the tapes when Trump gave that response.
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