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This is the only thing that lets me sleep at night. There was an ex-actor with brains that got more and more like swiss cheese every day with a) a belief in a fire and brimstone righteous ending to humanity and b) the nuclear code during the height of the cold war and.. we're still here. Surely Trump couldn't be worse than that? Right?
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zxqv8 posted:I just want to stress that I don't want Trump to win and wouldn't really be happy with the outcome, just not absolutely crushed. His ideal supreme court justice is Scalia, do you really want more of him on the bench?
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Toplowtech posted:The worst part is that poo poo has been obvious for months and you guys keep producing more and more insane variations on this loving theme, it's insane. Not as insane as the money you spend on that poo poo but close enough. what
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Oct 10, 2016 07:07
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socialsecurity posted:His ideal supreme court justice is Scalia, do you really want more of him on the bench? Did you read the first sentence of the post you quoted? No, I don't want more of him on the bench because I don't want Trump or the republicans to win.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:08
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Oct 10, 2016 07:08
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zxqv8 posted:Did you read the first sentence of the post you quoted? Putting more Scalia's on the bench is not an unremarkable 4 years, it would have a very long term lasting impact on minority rights in this country.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:09
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socialsecurity posted:Putting more Scalia's on the bench is not an unremarkable 4 years, it would have a very long term lasting impact on minority rights in this country. Right. I'm not disputing this. I was incorrect in my assertion because I had not considered the secondary impacts his win would have.
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sweet thursday posted:This is the only thing that lets me sleep at night. There was an ex-actor with brains that got more and more like swiss cheese every day with a) a belief in a fire and brimstone righteous ending to humanity and b) the nuclear code during the height of the cold war and.. we're still here. Surely Trump couldn't be worse than that? Right?
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Oct 10, 2016 07:12
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Sooooo the Trump team tried to get Bill's accusers in their family box, and to try to get him to shake hands with them pre-debate. The debate commission heard about it apparently and shut it down, threatening to have them removed by security if they sat in the family box. https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/785359490941988864 https://twitter.com/jonlovett/status/785359288793374720
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Oct 10, 2016 07:13
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I'm sure that this has been addressed but whats with the cheering from the audience from both sides? Have supporters in the audience been instructed by each candidate to make a lot of noise as soon as something resembling a 'zinger' comes out? It took me by surprise the first time it happened.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:20
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zxqv8 posted:Right. I'm not disputing this. I was incorrect in my assertion because I had not considered the secondary impacts his win would have. Consider also what Trump-led foreign policy, regulatory agencies, and a Department of Justice would look like.
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Dork457 posted:I'm sure that this has been addressed but whats with the cheering from the audience from both sides? Have supporters in the audience been instructed by each candidate to make a lot of noise as soon as something resembling a 'zinger' comes out? It took me by surprise the first time it happened. Trump was zinging some fingers to someone. dunno what that means.
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Dork457 posted:I'm sure that this has been addressed but whats with the cheering from the audience from both sides? Have supporters in the audience been instructed by each candidate to make a lot of noise as soon as something resembling a 'zinger' comes out? It took me by surprise the first time it happened. People are loving stupid and gleefully go along with dumb behavior.
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Dork457 posted:I'm sure that this has been addressed but whats with the cheering from the audience from both sides? Have supporters in the audience been instructed by each candidate to make a lot of noise as soon as something resembling a 'zinger' comes out? It took me by surprise the first time it happened.
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Dork457 posted:I'm sure that this has been addressed but whats with the cheering from the audience from both sides? Have supporters in the audience been instructed by each candidate to make a lot of noise as soon as something resembling a 'zinger' comes out? It took me by surprise the first time it happened. Yeah, but then A.C. was pretty stern telling them to Shut The gently caress Up. It was beautiful every time. I want Anderson Cooper and Shepard Smith to work together.
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Dork457 posted:I'm sure that this has been addressed but whats with the cheering from the audience from both sides? Have supporters in the audience been instructed by each candidate to make a lot of noise as soon as something resembling a 'zinger' comes out? It took me by surprise the first time it happened. I think the only way to get an audience to be silent for one of these things is to only let in PoliSci students who are totally serious about debates guys. (and probably not even then)
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Kilroy posted:Those are the rules and the audience is instructed to shut the hell up, but if they ignore it I guess there is not much the debate folks can do. They're not going to escort people out of a Presidential debate, and they probably aren't making audience members turn over a cash deposit which they forfeit if they make noise (I would do this). Not a debate, but reminded me of this little town hall.
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i think its also when one side cheers the other side feels obliged to cheer. i noticed the trump dudes were the first to go with the cheers and it generally went in that pattern (trump side cheers, dem side cheers less then a minute later), but i got lyin' ears sometimes.
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Polygynous posted:I think the only way to get an audience to be silent for one of these things is to only let in PoliSci students who are totally serious about debates guys.
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Oct 10, 2016 07:35
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Kilroy posted:$5000 deposit with a microphone in your seat which deducts $1000 each time you break the rules. Maybe increase those numbers by an order of magnitude (or two, or more) depending on if the audience member is a wealthy plutocrat. Can this apply to candidates interrupting too? Except several million per interrupt, obviously.
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Steve2911 posted:Can this apply to candidates interrupting too? Except several million per interrupt, obviously.
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Vriess posted:Yeah, but then A.C. was pretty stern telling them to Shut The gently caress Up. I want them to run away together and start their own news network where they only cover escaping llamas and True Blood. They can have shows with Kathy Griffin, and give a couple hours a day to Van Jones and Bakari Sellers. I would never turn that channel off.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i think its also when one side cheers the other side feels obliged to cheer. i noticed the trump dudes were the first to go with the cheers and it generally went in that pattern (trump side cheers, dem side cheers less then a minute later), but i got lyin' ears sometimes. This is almost certainly what happened because if only Trump gets cheers, Clinton people are nervous it gives off the wrong impression and sways the watchers. They should just not have an audience at all, except for press. It's less of a security hassle too.
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zxqv8 posted:I just want to stress that I don't want Trump to win and wouldn't really be happy with the outcome, just not absolutely crushed. That's not my main concern when it comes to Trump. The man is gonna have to deal with foreign dignitaries and actual political issues, and I'd much prefer my representative to the world wasn't screeching conspiracy theories and groping England's queen while having a "locker room banter" with some prime minister and threatening to bomb/nuke whoever is on his list at the moment Case in point, Trump isn't sorry about his actions and hasn't learned a goddamned thing yet. He's a child that's been made to say he's sorry and repeats the offence again later because he doesn't care....."rich people can do anything" SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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zxqv8 posted:I just want to stress that I don't want Trump to win and wouldn't really be happy with the outcome, just not absolutely crushed. How much inaction and nothing will it take before people realize that elections have consequences? The machine doesn't necessarily have to keep chugging along, as broken as it already is. Especially if you throw an orange crowbar into it. sweet thursday fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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Not to get all Godwin's up in here, but it's a really dangerous thing to just assume some guy saying awful things and gathering a rabid fan base behind him will just totally mellow out and not manage/try to do any of the terrible stuff he's been shouting about once he has political power, or to assume that somehow he'll be reigned in or controlled if it gets that far. It doesn't have a historical track record of ending well. I've seen an awful lot of people, especially liberals who aren't thrilled with Hillary, making that kind of argument lately. Maybe it's best we don't try to rationalize that the crazy orange fascist shouty man-baby will suddenly be more reasonable and/or controllable when he's in the actual driver's seat.
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I'm hoping this is just an elaborate version of the Wave. Trump ascends his throne and reveals a giant painting if Hitler saying "this is who you voted for, you suck fucks" before resigning and leaving the US for Russia.
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Mystic Mongol posted:I've made similar arguments. Regardless of who wins this election, in six months or two years or five years, a bill is going to come up for a vote for something that Bernie's Bros want... a bird sanctuary where all the birdseed is organically sourced by college educated baristas. Whatever. And some Senators will put their heads together and say, Who wants this? Oh, those socialist wackaloons. Well, if we give them what they want, will they vote for us in return? Right now, I could be wrong on this, but I'm fairly sure Hillary is getting a bigger percentage of Bernie supporters than Obama got of Hillary supporters, so this will almost certainly work out in Bernie's favor. At this point Bernouts are like the Hillaryis44 people in 2008 -- yes they exist but statistically speaking they're noise, not relevant.
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I think they should give you ten to fifteen seconds grace after your two minutes. Just mention time, but don't harp on them if they are finishing their thought.
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zxqv8 posted:That is a fair point and one I hadn't fully considered. Fortunately he's probably not going to win, whatever my misconceptions about what his win would be like. I can guarantee that someone from this site is going to quote these sources and go "lol" because this is Something Awful as if someone doesn't agree with you 100% you are a "fucktard", but to me it would be best to start here: A list of each candidate's and a variety of elected representative's voting history. Aljazeera is the best "professional" news sources, while Democracy Now! is the best opinioned news source. If you want to start reading news/opinion websites then I'd suggest: The Economist - Pro free market magazine that is very famous. Jacobin - The most popular American socialist magazine. The Atlantic - A very centrist site publication that contains fantastic articles. New Republic - The defacto source of liberal opinons. This isn't an end all, be all list. And I will guarantee you people will roll their eyes at some of these suggestions as they are very divisive. But that's the point as you want to get as many different views and opinions out there when you begin. EDIT - I also can't stress enough the importance of looking up studies and research. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Oct 10, 2016 |
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kartikeya posted:Not to get all Godwin's up in here, but it's a really dangerous thing to just assume some guy saying awful things and gathering a rabid fan base behind him will just totally mellow out and not manage/try to do any of the terrible stuff he's been shouting about once he has political power, or to assume that somehow he'll be reigned in or controlled if it gets that far. It doesn't have a historical track record of ending well. We were at an event recently where a holocaust survivor got up to tell about how much the Trump campaign reminds her of the nationalism surrounding the rise of Hitler. Scared the poo poo out of me.
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That is why most Europeans are watching this election with shock and awe.
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Mrs. Squashy is on an angry rampage about Melania's choice of outfit for last night:
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punk rebel ecks posted:The "90% of the time" thing is meaningless as both candidates differed in how far they wanted to take things. For example I'm sure both Sanders and Hillary would vote for a bill that would raise the taxes on the rich by 2%. However, given the opportunity to chose where they would like the tax rate to be at, the two candidates would end at different points of where they'd feel comfortable. To add to that, Hillary's platform has shifted since prior the primaries. Her new college plan covers just about everyone except the rich, she went against TPP just before the first debate when Sanders was already making a lot of noise, she took a historic high wage for a national minimum wage while still a $15 wage on a much larger scale than before. There are a few other things as well that are different now than from her platform pre-primary. There will be no bills that do anything progressives want until the legislature turns blue, which won't be until the next district redraw thanks to gerrymandering. We may get some Supreme Court conformations, if we're lucky. The problem with anyone wanting to pass anything resembling a progressive agenda, at this point, and being dissatisfied with Clinton, is that such a person clearly has no clue as to what's been going on with government for the past eight years and is just focused on the presidency, since they think the office of the presidency is king, which is just how the media and the owners like it.
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Mordaedil posted:That is why most Europeans are watching this election with shock and awe. Why, half those fuckers are actually electing their far right neo-nazis. Ours will probably lose.
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zxqv8 posted:Google is unlikely to help me here either, since it knows too much about me to give me anything that falls outside the bubble it's created for me. Incognito mode.
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greatn posted:I think they should give you ten to fifteen seconds grace after your two minutes. Just mention time, but don't harp on them if they are finishing their thought. They actually have warning lights these days so the candidates are just pushing it. Although it's kind of hard to estimate how long your thought is going to be in  down to the second, I would expect a seasoned candidate to have that down.
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