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Cardiac posted:A is London. Why are the drivers in A lacking an incentive to gently caress passengers, if doing so improves their economic outcome?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Okay, my googling has shown that you have been lying about the whole thing and taxi licensing is still a thing in your country and you have made up the whole premise that the free market is even setting the number of taxis in your city at all! Licensing is still a thing, but there's no limit. There is a limit for the amount of disabled taxi licenses. Ireland has been notoriously deregulated as part of their "tech hub" status within Europe, almost all EU-tech headquarters were situated there and I remember some companies being REALLY chuffed about Ireland having non-functional unions or non-existent unions back in the nineties.
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# ? Oct 7, 2016 14:56 |
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Okay, my googling has shown that you have been lying about the whole thing and taxi licensing is still a thing in your country and you have made up the whole premise that the free market is even setting the number of taxis in your city at all! I don't think you've comprehended a single one of my posts. Or whatever you Googled. Of course there is still licensing, people aren't just hopping in random cars and driving off with cardboard TAXI signs on the roof. Drivers still need to apply for and get a taxi license. My use of Dublin as an example is the arbitrary limit on the number of licenses issued was removed, and the public benefited massively. Cardiac posted:A is London. This is true, there is a downside (for taxi drivers) to deregulation that 'B' does effectively reduce taxi driving to a minimum wage job. But given its a job that requires little training or skill that's probably an appropriate pay level.
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# ? Oct 7, 2016 15:28 |
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Blut posted:So you're saying in a choice of: yes, because city A is actively grappling with the negative externalities caused by excessive taxis. you keep ignoring this because you have no defense for it. simply repeating your argument regardless of rebuttal is not a useful form of argumentation. you have no idea what you're talking about Blut posted:The key concept that "Yellow cabs spend three-fourths of each shift [driving around, causing congestion]" from the study, and the above post, are also very American specific. In most countries in Europe, where petrol is even now at its lowest recent point around $6/gallon, taxis do not drive around aimlessly looking for fairs. They're either carrying a fair a minority of their shift, or parked at a rank waiting in line for a fair (ie not using road space/adding to congestion) for most of the rest of their shift. i dont care how taxis are handled in the third world
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Blut posted:The limits in a lot of cities (take Dublin as one example from above) were/are literally set to please the local taxi drivers, who go on strike (and shut down main roads) when they're raised. Dublin's congestion has a lot more to do with a shoddy public transport system and high car ownership rates than an additional few thousand taxis on the road, who operate largely at weekends at night. Ohh look, more unsubstantiated claims. I get why this is so hard for you. Your personal experience was that of a lovely union colluding with a corrupt government to suppress the number of taxis in Dublin and that problem has clearly been solved (to you) by total deregulation of the number of taxis allowed to operate. So it is obvious to you that this is the solution to a dearth of taxis from the point of view of taxi users, and that might actually be true. However, as I and other people have pointed out, the convenience of taxi users is not the only end to be optimized. There are other factors that are external to the taxi drivers themselves that they are no position to price, like congestion and pollution, and that makes taxi drivers (and users) poor candidates for self regulation in a "free market," or just flouting of the laws by Uber, as you have been advocating. Then, you have spent the last however many posts claiming that the known problems for taxis aren't real without any substantiation whatsoever.* By the way, you don't want to argue that because there are so many more cars on the road than taxis that it is private cars that are the source of the congestion problem, because when you add taxis to satisfy taxi users (your only stated goal), you add it to the current traffic in the city, not some traffic you wish you had. * All of this (at least, I'm not going back and getting more): (1) Taxis don't cause as much traffic as cars because they wait at stands. Blut posted:In most countries in Europe, where petrol is even now at its lowest recent point around $6/gallon, taxis do not drive around aimlessly looking for fairs. They're either carrying a fair a minority of their shift, or parked at a rank waiting in line for a fair (ie not using road space/adding to congestion) for most of the rest of their shift. (3) "Dublin's congestion has a lot more to do with a shoddy public transport system and high car ownership rates than an additional few thousand taxis on the road."
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Subjunctive posted:Why are the drivers in A lacking an incentive to gently caress passengers, if doing so improves their economic outcome? Because they are more tightly regulated and are probably not working minimal wage. Also I assume you can report taxi drivers for FYGM. To become a cab driver in London you have to learn basically all the streets in London which reduces the competition. Funnily enough,even with a regulated market, taxis cost less in London than in Sweden and we are pretty loving unregulated and below so called minimal wage. There is no minimal wage in Sweden. London has a interesting alternative system to taxis, where flower shops can do on call taxi deliveries due to a hole in the law.
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# ? Oct 7, 2016 17:12 |
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@boner confessor if you're unable to use capitalization, and think the EU is the third world well...thats that I guess.MickeyFinn posted:Ohh look, more unsubstantiated claims. I get why this is so hard for you. Your personal experience was that of a lovely union colluding with a corrupt government to suppress the number of taxis in Dublin and that problem has clearly been solved (to you) by total deregulation of the number of taxis allowed to operate. So it is obvious to you that this is the solution to a dearth of taxis from the point of view of taxi users, and that might actually be true. The issue here is my personal experience applies to every city where uber has expanded to, though. If the public didn't prefer having deregulated taxi markets then uber wouldn't be so wildly successful. People like being able to get a taxi within 5 minutes, night or day. And even if uber is banned (as in Austin) other substitutes will replace it, because the market is clearly there for far large numbers of taxis. The genie is out of the bottle in regards to artificially limiting taxi numbers, and its unlikely to go back in. My point from the start has been the city with a deregulated taxi market (or an uber presence) is better to live in for the vast majority of the population than one with a highly regulated, arbitrarily limited, number of cabs (as was the case pre-2010 in a lot of cities). Do you disagree? I've substantiated any claim I've been asked to (ie the raw numbers). Anything I've said is widely conformable through Google (or by asking someone who has lived in Dublin, for example). ie: - On the lobbying influence/efforts of the taxi industry w.r.t. deregulation in Dublin: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/politics/political-push-behind-deregulation-139255.html - Dublin's congestion problems are neatly summed up in this, showing how out of whack it is with European transportation norms: http://imgur.com/a/IG5Kj (from: http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/handle/2262/73801/Car%20ownership%20paper.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y) etc But feel free to peruse these to begin your study of the taxi industry and congestion in Dublin, if you're that interested in it. Blut fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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Blut posted:@boner confessor if you're unable to use capitalization, and think the EU is the third world well...thats that I guess. As an aside, it really does piss me off. I remember when you could get probated for lack of a shift key, even in non-D&D forums.
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Blut posted:My point from the start has been the city with a deregulated taxi market (or an uber presence) is better to live in for the vast majority of the population than one with a highly regulated, arbitrarily limited, number of cabs (as was the case pre-2010 in a lot of cities). Do you disagree?
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WampaLord posted:As an aside, it really does piss me off. I remember when you could get probated for lack of a shift key, even in non-D&D forums.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The city's urban planning system is designed to serve a wide variety of citizens, not solely taxi consumers. Do you disagree? look, if you can't boil all problems down into simplistic economic models that produce outputs which just so happen to agree with our anecdotal assumptions then what's the point? a perfectly spherical taxi industry in a vacuum of rational consumers boner confessor fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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Blut posted:My point from the start has been the city with a deregulated taxi market (or an uber presence) is better to live in for the vast majority of the population than one with a highly regulated, arbitrarily limited, number of cabs (as was the case pre-2010 in a lot of cities). Do you disagree? And again (3rd or 4th time?), this point is unsubstantiated as taxi users are not the only people who live in cities. Let me engage in your rhetorical technique to demonstrate why your arguments are unconvincing. I live in Los Angeles, a city known for traffic. I don't personally drive that much because I live within 2 miles of work. So, to reduce the amount of traffic that I and people like me experience -which I can assure you is far in excess of a tolerable level - I propose to allow people who live close to work (say, within 3 miles) be allowed to use sirens to drive around. People like me don't drive much, most of the worst traffic is on freeways and there are already lots of cars on the road, so it won't change traffic too much and anyone who wants to avail themselves of this program can just move closer to work. As you can clearly see, people like me are in a vastly preferable situation (so why wouldn't we choose it?) and it doesn't really hurt anyone. Also, I edited out most of your post because you don't even get why your points are unsubstantiated. For example, saying "lots of cities" have their taxis limited to please the taxi union and then posting another link to Dublin alone does not constitute sufficient proof by greater than a full country mile.
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Using Dublin as your example isn't really a sound one. The article you linked to pointed out early on that this city is a special case:quote:Taxi deregulation had its roots in a number of reports in the late 1990s. These had concluded that unlike other countries, where taxi licensing had been employed to ensure high standards of vehicles and drivers, in Ireland, and particularly Dublin, the system had been utilised to prevent the supply of taxis matching the demand. And then the article argues that deregulation hasn't helped all that much, which is contrary to your position! A year later they report quality of service remained static and they had more taxis than London had for a smaller population.
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boner confessor posted:The fall of unicorns: a perfectly spherical industry in a vacuum of rational consumers edit: ok that's better Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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Blut posted:And even if uber is banned (as in Austin) Besides the usual wrong stuff you just keep repeating, Uber isn't banned from Austin, they were asked to perform background checks* and refused. Austin hasn't given them an exception yet like most cities they they leave. * Doing a name based search of criminal records isn't a background check no matter what Uber says
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Sage Grimm posted:Using Dublin as your example isn't really a sound one. The article you linked to pointed out early on that this city is a special case:
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duz posted:Besides the usual wrong stuff you just keep repeating, Uber isn't banned from Austin, they were asked to perform background checks* and refused. Austin hasn't given them an exception yet like most cities they they leave. It costs ~$30/applicant. This is why they're complaining
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Sage Grimm posted:Using Dublin as your example isn't really a sound one. The article you linked to pointed out early on that this city is a special case: Taxi's were over-regulated in the 90's but that was pure political corruption. Licences were worth up to 100k and owners of them could make a fortune renting them to taxi drivers. Plenty of politicians and their friends were the owners of these medallions. Taxi drivers were also happy with this situation and the lack of competition made it a valuable job. These drivers then would be free propaganda for the government of the day. Though I wouldn't say it's found a balance. Most taxi drivers complain these days that there's too many to make a living in it. This is further exacerbated by casual drivers who work peak times only.
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# ? Oct 10, 2016 13:50 |
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From my twitter feed:
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# ? Oct 10, 2016 19:41 |
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Here's the Guardian story. drat.quote:Shares in Twitter fell more than 14% on Monday following reports that all of its rumoured potential bidders have lost interest in buying the struggling social media company. Who am I missing?
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# ? Oct 10, 2016 20:11 |
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It turns out people's attention or shitposting is not actually valuable in and of itself, so in order to be successful businesses.... ... oooh shiny
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blowfish posted:It turns out people's attention or shitposting is not actually valuable in and of itself, so in order to be successful businesses.... Twitter should have been charging for signing up.
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Dr. AA Hazredstein posted:Twitter should have been charging for signing up. Unlike twitor, Something Awful LLC occasionally runs in the black, QED
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blowfish posted:Unlike twitor, Something Awful LLC occasionally runs in the black, QED For once in my life, I wasn't being ironic.
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Where the gently caress is all their money going? Seriously. Eight. Hundred. Million on research and development. Almost half their total revenue. To contrast this, Boeing, a $96,000,000,000 company spent only 3 times what twitter spends on research and dev.
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Where the gently caress is all their money going? Seriously. They have like 3000 people they're paying six figure salaries for.
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# ? Oct 10, 2016 21:18 |
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The correct solution, obvious to the tiniest of minds, is for Yahoo! to buy Twitter. saves money by having one combined Viking funeral instead of multiple small ones
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The gently caress are they even researching? Most of their biggest product innovations have been things third parties developed on their platform that they then bought or copied. I guess there's also hilarious failures like Moments that they developed by trying to copy Facebook.
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Baby Babbeh posted:The gently caress are they even researching? Most of their biggest product innovations have been things third parties developed on their platform that they then bought or copied. I guess there's also hilarious failures like Moments that they developed by trying to copy Facebook. Ways to make money?
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The correct solution, obvious to the tiniest of minds, is for Yahoo! to buy Twitter. You mean AOL right? The company owned by Verizon that will own Yahoo. Verizon->AOL->Yahoo->Tumblr
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# ? Oct 10, 2016 21:33 |
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Good point. Add Twitter and call Verizon the free square, and you've got BINGO.
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Baby Babbeh posted:The gently caress are they even researching? Most of their biggest product innovations have been things third parties developed on their platform that they then bought or copied. I guess there's also hilarious failures like Moments that they developed by trying to copy Facebook. Look, man, changing "fav" to "heart" is not a light-weight decision!
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Apparently Salesforce is still in the game? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/salesforce-still-mulls-bid-twitter-194643017.html I hope they buy it and start burning even more cash.Tars Tarkas posted:Look, man, changing "fav" to "heart" is not a light-weight decision! Also my employer spends only about 3x or R&D off a 10x revenue while maintaining and developing hundreds of cloud and on-premise solutions so yeah, no idea WTF they're doing there.
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# ? Oct 10, 2016 21:54 |
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You'd think Salesforce would have learned that enterprise social networking doesn't work when Chatter failed to set the world on fire. I guess they probably think they can use Twitter to better position themselves against Microsoft following the LinkedIn acquisition, despite LinkedIn being the far better platform for basically anything Salesforce might conceivably want do with it.
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# ? Oct 10, 2016 22:12 |
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Doesn't the NSA have a front company they can buy twitter with?
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# ? Oct 10, 2016 22:24 |
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Twitter is dumb so it's easy to dismiss it but they have always been out there innovating and integrating themselves with things. There is a reason they are the service that became a household name instead of the ten kajillion other companies that were doing basically the same thing. Like name a technology from the last ten years and twitter will have worked with it somehow, and the question is usually "did this have any value" instead of "did they put effort into it". The tesla has a twitter app.
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Baby Babbeh posted:The gently caress are they even researching? Most of their biggest product innovations have been things third parties developed on their platform that they then bought or copied. I guess there's also hilarious failures like Moments that they developed by trying to copy Facebook. Based on having to fill out forms on the subject at a different immense tech company, I think they can get tax breaks for declaring work as research and development, and basically anything open source counts. Twitter definitely has people working on projects that would qualify.
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Where the gently caress is all their money going? Seriously. I know Twitter presents non-GAAP measures. I guess they're considering things like bandwidth and hosting to be cost of revenue. I wonder if they classify their audience/user research as R&D or as COR. I imagine that would be a substantial cost. Their SG&A line is bloated and gross, but hey I guess they need that deluxe primo office space and to pay college kids a comfortable six figgies
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# ? Oct 10, 2016 23:10 |
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So Soylent is moving fast and breaking people. http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/10/reports-of-violent-vomiting-diarrhea-from-bars-has-soylent-on-the-defense/
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quote:After these reports, we have retrieved remaining bars from our consumers and have personally consumed many of the remaining bars without adverse effects "Hey these bars make me throw up and give me diarrhea" "that's no biggie, we'll take them back *opens box and shoves a handful of bars into mouth* " uh PenguinKnight fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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