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| Golf GTI / R / R32 |
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196 | 0.02% |
| Impreza WRX / STi |
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| Mazdaspeed 3 |
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92 | 0.01% |
| Veloster Turbo |
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20 | 0.00% |
| Focus ST |
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149 | 0.01% |
| Other Hot Hatch |
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230 | 0.02% |
| Elantra GT |
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1000001 | 99.92% |
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:VW's MIB 2 (NOT the MIB 1) is incredibly not rear end and Apple CarPlay owns. It also has Android Auto but I don't have that kind of phone. I find the seats very comfortable and nicely bolstered, and they actually hold their own against the M Sport Seats in the Z4M I had. I'm a big guy and they don't squeeze me too much either. Yup, I've driven the GTI in standard and DSG and thought the interior was nice if not understated. I also was not wild about the numb shifter. Concerns about longevity and value are tough because domestic cars very rarely hold value, but I feel the GTI doesn't either. I don't know what the maintenance is like on either, though anecdotal evidence says VW's tend to run pretty expensive to maintain. In the end everyone is right, I have to go sit in them with the wife and baby to make sure everyone fits. I also drove a Mazda 3 hatch and while it's not "Hot" is very much a warmish hatch that is in the running too.
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Oct 10, 2016 21:40
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I must be in the minority here because I test drove the GTI and the FoST back to back and the materials/build quality seemed practically identical. Nothing to write home about in either one but they both just seemed 'fine' to me. Do some of the higher specced ones have a different interior by any chance?
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Oct 10, 2016 22:11
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100% Dundee posted:Do some of the higher specced ones have a different interior by any chance?
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Oct 10, 2016 22:25
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Focus interior feels terribly cramped to me. I really hate the layout/design of it all.
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Oct 10, 2016 22:26
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Maksimus54 posted:Yup, I've driven the GTI in standard and DSG and thought the interior was nice if not understated. I also was not wild about the numb shifter. Concerns about longevity and value are tough because domestic cars very rarely hold value, but I feel the GTI doesn't either. I don't know what the maintenance is like on either, though anecdotal evidence says VW's tend to run pretty expensive to maintain. I've been lusting for a GTI/R for about a year now, but have resisted buying one so far. I am looking at the '17 Mazda 3 right now as well. The grand touring 3 5-door is really tempting with the 2.5L engine, bose stereo, and tech pkg. One of the 3's faults is the back seat room. I would check to see your baby seat is good to go. If I had to buy today I would go for the 3. To answer the trim level question, the S GTI gets cloth interior, the SE and Autobahn get the leather, sunroof, Fender stereo and now for '17 the sport pkg items including R front brakes, lsd and +10 hp.
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Oct 10, 2016 23:03
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D C posted:Focus interior feels terribly cramped to me. I really hate the layout/design of it all. Having sat in both the GTI feels much more grown up. I found the seats significantly more comfortable. The doors close with a more satisfying thunk and interior noise is significantly better. Ride quality was firm without being busy and buzzy, which is how I feel about the FoST. The FoST is almost certainly faster, but I just preferred the GTI in ever other way that it was the better car for me.
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Oct 10, 2016 23:13
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D C posted:Focus interior feels terribly cramped to me. I really hate the layout/design of it all. That's really my biggest complaint. It's a bigger car than the GTi with less usable interior space.
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Oct 11, 2016 01:04
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The 2017 GTI Sport looks like it's defenitely the sweet spot for price and performance now that they threw in the performance package features in as standard. Granted, the 10 hp bump doesn't mean much but the LSD and the R brakes sure are nice. You can probably walk out the door with a GTI Sport for under well under 27k which just seems like a hell of a deal to me.
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Oct 11, 2016 03:00
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Modus Man posted:The 2017 GTI Sport looks like it's defenitely the sweet spot for price and performance now that they threw in the performance package features in as standard. Granted, the 10 hp bump doesn't mean much but the LSD and the R brakes sure are nice. You can probably walk out the door with a GTI Sport for under well under 27k which just seems like a hell of a deal to me. Mine was like $26.8 with destination or whatever. I am satisfied with the deal.
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Oct 11, 2016 04:42
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I mean nobody is buying VWs anymore so they have to do something to start selling those GTIs. Sales figures were disappointing and market share was sliding before dieselgate, I haven't had time to look at more recent numbers but I doubt their situation has improved much.
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Oct 11, 2016 13:53
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Pryor on Fire posted:I mean nobody is buying VWs anymore so they have to do something to start selling those GTIs. Sales figures were disappointing and market share was sliding before dieselgate, I haven't had time to look at more recent numbers but I doubt their situation has improved much. They'll probably get an artificial bump once buybacks start until they run out of stock and people start to get angry.
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Oct 11, 2016 15:15
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100% Dundee posted:How it will hold up compared to the GTI has me slightly concerned though, lot of people on the forums complain about little squeaks and stuff popping up. Single point of reference - I have over 44k miles on my Focus ST now, and it has *knock on wood* no noticeable squeaks, rattles, or other noises, and nothing has fallen off or popped up. I have replaced 3 windshields, but that's not the fault of the car.
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Oct 13, 2016 02:35
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Oh hey update on the Mountune RMM I threw into the FoST a while ago- it seems like it's kinda broken in and I now have trouble detecting any vibrations at all but at the lowest RPMs with the AC compressor running. Like I basically have to try to really induce any vibrations and I don't see them in normal driving. Either that or it's subtle enough that I've gotten used to it and don't notice it anymore. I came from the original horribly unsuitable stock Focus mount so this was a big change for me but it's still decently stiffer than the eFocus mount Ford started throwing into later model year '14 Focus STs and beyond. Anyways if you want an RMM stiffness upgrade that comes with an incredibly minimal/maybe eventually not even noticeable increase in NVH I think this is your mount.
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Oct 13, 2016 03:47
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Pryor on Fire posted:I mean nobody is buying VWs anymore so they have to do something to start selling those GTIs. Sales figures were disappointing and market share was sliding before dieselgate, I haven't had time to look at more recent numbers but I doubt their situation has improved much. I did something really stupid last week - I was tired and carelessly logged into TrueCar using my work gmail acct (  ) while browsing local GTI prices and it was like i had just uppercutted a wasp nest...and I know quite well how BDC ppl usually act but their persistence kind of shocked me, especially given that the car was a new 2dr Base manual going for around $5k under MSRP.From what I recall I didn't get nearly the same reception when ST shopping this time last year. So I think I'll be keeping an eye out during the upcoming slow sales months. I noticed the latest Car and Driver also has a puff piece about their long-term GTI demo, another good sign. Mariana Horchata fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 13, 2016 17:21
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Yeah if you take a look at sales figures last year vs this year I think the reason will be fairly obvious why you're getting so many hits...
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Oct 13, 2016 17:43
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Monkey Fracas posted:Is the Mini still doing that weird "giant speedometer in the middle console" design? The new ones still have the circular fascia in the dashboard, but it's now media controls. The speedo is now a crescent on the side of the rev counter.
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Oct 13, 2016 17:53
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The Locator posted:Single point of reference - I have over 44k miles on my Focus ST now, and it has *knock on wood* no noticeable squeaks, rattles, or other noises, and nothing has fallen off or popped up. I have replaced 3 windshields, but that's not the fault of the car. All of my squeaks and rattles have been due to stereo installers not knowing what the gently caress they're doing and putting poo poo back together wrong.
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Oct 13, 2016 17:59
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veedubfreak posted:All of my squeaks and rattles have been due to stereo installers not knowing what the gently caress they're doing and putting poo poo back together wrong. I have been content with the factory stereo. Yea, it could use some improvement, but it's "good enough" so I have left it alone. First car in many many years that I haven't gone full aftermarket with.
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Oct 13, 2016 18:02
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The Locator posted:I have been content with the factory stereo. Yea, it could use some improvement, but it's "good enough" so I have left it alone. First car in many many years that I haven't gone full aftermarket with. Same. There's a ton of poo poo tied in to the stereo on the R so I'm not messing with it. The Fender system with sub in the spare hole is close enough to what I had in my previous system, that combined with how loving deaf I am these days. Had a Pioneer nav system with fosgate sub and Focal mids/highs in the GLI and TDI. Eventually all that will go in the bug.
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Oct 13, 2016 18:12
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After ~600miles, finally gave my ST it's first wash today. Magnetic really is the best color. Album: http://imgur.com/a/soI7j 
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Oct 17, 2016 03:07
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Traded in my FiST a month ago for a base model automatic Mazda6, it was a nice car but not for me. It just so happened that my dads Saturn took a final dump after 300k miles of faithful service so he's taking over the lease on the Mazda. This means I have rejoined the hot hatch club and picked up a 2017 6MT GTI Sport tonight! Impressions so far: even in stock form it seems quicker than my FiST was when I had it upgraded and tuned (turbo back exhaust, intercooler, intake, charge-pipes, tune by Adam of Tune+). The VAQ differential seems to perform much better than the torque vectoring of the FiST. The seats are really good but not *quite* as good as the Recaros were. The shifter doesn't feel as nice as the FiST but I also had a transmission bracket that reduced the throws so I imagine I can tighten things up with something similar in the GTI and the golf ball knob is kind of silly feeling but there's lots of options there. The GTI is quieter inside (no rattles!), road noise is lower, the suspension isn't nearly as punishing as the FiST but still gives a great amount of confidence. The headlights are on a whole other level better than the FiST, I especially think the adaptive "follow the direction of the turn" is sweet. The stereo sounds significantly better and compared to Ford SYNC, the infotainment system in the GTI blows it away. Haven't played around with Android Auto yet but I'm looking forward to checking that out. The brakes in the FiST were drat good but so far I think the PP brakes are probably a bit better. I can't wait to drive it some more! Only put 55 miles on it so far from the drive back home. Obligatory lovely cell phone shot: 
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Oct 29, 2016 07:50
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I'd certainly expect that Golf to be nicer than a FiST given the significant price delta between the two of them. Seems like a FoST would be a better comparison at that price point, but glad you are happy with your new car, hope it is a good one.
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Oct 29, 2016 15:26
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The Locator posted:I'd certainly expect that Golf to be nicer than a FiST given the significant price delta between the two of them. Seems like a FoST would be a better comparison at that price point, but glad you are happy with your new car, hope it is a good one. While that is true, in my case the Fiesta was my first new car buying experience and the dealer saw me coming a mile away. I'm paying only $15 more per month for the GTI than I was the FiST with a similar down payment made on each. Edit: more pictures!       
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Oct 29, 2016 17:16
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Coolnezzz posted:The GTI is quieter inside (no rattles!),  I take it this is your first VW? Give it a while.
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Oct 29, 2016 18:07
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Coolnezzz posted:While that is true, in my case the Fiesta was my first new car buying experience and the dealer saw me coming a mile away. I'm paying only $15 more per month for the GTI than I was the FiST with a similar down payment made on each. I'm happy for you, and this may have been intentional on your part. But, what you've stated above tells us virtually nothing about what sort of deal you did or didn't get on either car.
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Oct 29, 2016 18:28
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The Ferret King posted:I'm happy for you, and this may have been intentional on your part. But, what you've stated above tells us virtually nothing about what sort of deal you did or didn't get on either car. MSRP on the GTI ($29,250 with rubber mats and trunk cargo holders) and I declined all of the dealer add on crap. On the Fiesta I said "OK yeah that sounds cool, sign me up!" for everything (extended warranty, gap, a few other stupid things). The FiST was also fully loaded with every option and I think I stupidly payed a dealer markup, if I recall it was like $26k or so. I stopped the financing manager at the VW dealer last night before he started into his spiel about add-ons and told him not to bother, his attitude quickly changed and we finished the paperwork in about 10 minutes, it was great. I have gap coverage through my insurance so I declined it from the dealer.
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Oct 29, 2016 19:01
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Remove the clutch pedal spring and clutch delay valve, you will be much happier and the clutch will last longer. Also, snow catcher out of the bottom of the intake box. Get a OBD Eleven and turn off the 'vibration dampening'. (read: torque limiting in lower gears) The Sport makes me regret my year and a half old 2016 4dr S.
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Oct 29, 2016 20:22
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2014 FiST, A couple clips on one of my side skirts are broke in the rear, so it's hanging down some. I went into the dealership to inquire on getting a few clips, and they said they don't sell them individually and they are unique. I would have to buy a whole new side skirt to get them ($700+). Is he full of poo poo or am I going to have to rig up something Certainly Ford didn't engineer side skirt clips that they then only used on a single trim model of there most economical car?
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Oct 29, 2016 20:41
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I fit 4 wheels and 2 tires (separate, not mounted...yet) in my FiST, without having to put anything on the leather seats. Bonus points: retained rear child seat because I have to take my kid with me to the tire shop.
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Oct 29, 2016 21:10
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You can probably get some EUDM zip ties on ebay.
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Oct 29, 2016 21:11
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Coolnezzz posted:MSRP on the GTI ($29,250 with rubber mats and trunk cargo holders) Ouch.
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Oct 29, 2016 21:30
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My local dealer in FL has every GTI marked $3500 off sticker right now. I've seen Sport trims for high 25s low 26s lately. Radiohead71 fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Oct 30, 2016 12:28
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Radiohead71 posted:My local dealer in FL has every GTI marked $3500 off sticker right now. I've seen Sport trims for high 25s low 26s lately. Yeah you can find them countrywide for 26k on Autotrader with no haggling. OP: did you even attempt to negotiate the price?
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Oct 30, 2016 13:02
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:Yeah you can find them countrywide for 26k on Autotrader with no haggling. No, I am not good with money.
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Oct 30, 2016 16:30
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There's a dealership in Virginia offering GTI Sport for 22k on autotrader. What's a good VIN decoder to confirm they aren't full of poo poo?
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Oct 30, 2016 19:32
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Decodethis.com might work.
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Oct 30, 2016 19:37
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Maksimus54 posted:There's a dealership in Virginia offering GTI Sport for 22k on autotrader. What's a good VIN decoder to confirm they aren't full of poo poo? Link? Because I would actually be all over that. I assume it's one of those deals that requires a poo poo ton of incentives that no one is actually eligible for. e: seeing several for about $23k on autotrader. $5-6k off sticker already... I'd seriously consider that before they buyback starts and they run out of cars. Pretty sure I found that car. If it's the white one it's a sport unless they changed the wheels and it's an S with the lighting package. I'm not gonna step on your toes if you're interested, but I'd legitimately buy that. fknlo fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Oct 30, 2016 |
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Oct 30, 2016 20:18
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fknlo posted:Link? Because I would actually be all over that. I assume it's one of those deals that requires a poo poo ton of incentives that no one is actually eligible for. I'm not in a position to buy due to being clear on the other side of the country. After I sell my truck over here though it's game on. Have at it, if legit it is a screaming deal
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Oct 30, 2016 21:00
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Maksimus54 posted:I'm not in a position to buy due to being clear on the other side of the country. After I sell my truck over here though it's game on. Have at it, if legit it is a screaming deal I'm only half way across the country. And that's a better deal than was going on the 2016's that I was looking at but couldn't find a performance pack car with a manual. Gonna give them a call and am looking at flights from KC to DC... e: Talked to them and the pricing ends tomorrow and I wouldn't be able to get there until Tuesday at the earliest. The guy I talked to is going to find out if me putting down a deposit would be able to get things locked in or not. e2:  They can't honor the price after tomorrow. There will be new incentives out on Tuesday and they'll call me. I told them if they could get the price in the same ballpark we'd talk. Kind of a dumb way to possibly lose a sale.
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Oct 30, 2016 21:37
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Good luck, I would be super happy to see someone capitalize on such an awesome deal
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Oct 30, 2016 22:00
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