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berenzen posted:The only issue with oberth is it has a really low trash cost. True, but I don't think we need another SanSan City Grid in the game. I'm fine tossing out a Hostile for a High Risk, even if the runner shits themselves and moves to trash it on their turn. If they let it hang around then the advancements can go on a Mausolus or some space ICE if you're crazy, but you probably want to mostly use it to score out instead. If Weyland sees more good ice in the future that these combos can support, or can better protect a server with Oberth in it, then I will be super happy. But hope is a lie.
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Oberth is not a region and therefore blanked by Rumor Mill.
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CirclMastr posted:Oberth is not a region and therefore blanked by Rumor Mill. Not nearly as much of a problem for a proactive card in a deck that's playing 2/1s.
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Yithian posted:I hope everyone is ready to go to Mars! .... jemison astronautics was what I was waiting for. And also what I wanted before i even knew it. Mars for martians looks lovely. It supports both full tagme and resource spam, looks like. AgentF posted:It's very clearly Mars Weyland. Not everything that's non-Earth is Space, you bigot. Weyland: Paint the sands red(der) with boom.
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Oh my god that theme is perfect. I can't wait to run Mars.
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I have a hypernerd question - does this game have a plot that is possible to follow? I play super casual with my friends but keep an eye on this thread. It's obvious things happen (Whizzard getting 'sploded, whatever the hell the 23 seconds incident is), but it's less obvious if this is communicated anyplace outside of flavor text and a few sentences in the set release announcements. Not interesting in whether it's worth following - I read the Magic fiction so my flavor quality bar is set pretty low - just if/where it exists.
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There's definitely some metaplot stuff going on more recently--Mumbad cycle was all about the leadup to a big political referendum on the personhood of clones in India, although there's a lot that we don't know which is kind of frustrating. Flashpoint cycle is more directly about a single event, that being the 23 Seconds incident where Titan Transnational's servers went down for 23 seconds (which is its own board game, woo), which leads to a shitload of upheaval with the government stepping in. But so far it's kind of painted in broad strokes, it's not like how Magic follows the planeswalkers as individual characters really closely. There's also books/novellas. Of these, I've read Freefall, which references the Android board game a lot more than it does Netrunner stuff. It was a reasonable read, but nothing spectacular; it's much more focused on being pulpy scifi detective noir than on really exploring the setting. I've also read Monitor, which is pretty short, but feels more connected to the setting--it's about a group of wannabe hackers getting in way over their heads with NBN. It also has MaxX! It isn't something I'd recommend to someone not familiar with Netrunner, but if you are it's an enjoyable read, and makes connections to the game without being super obvious about what's what. Oh, also the setting book. Buy the setting book, it's great. Really, I do wish that they did more to show off the metaplot. Like you, I'm a total sucker for it, regardless of quality.
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Jemison Astronautics seems like it might finally be a legitimate Weyland identity and I don't want to wait the 6 months it's going to take to get it into my grubby little hands. Maybe there are some unspoiled cards that will give Builder of Nations a coherent strategy that isn't just waiting for the runner to punch their face into your ICE until they die?
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The flavour/mechanics combo on Oberth Protocol is really nice.quote:Maybe there are some unspoiled cards that will give Builder of Nations a coherent strategy that isn't just waiting for the runner to punch their face into your ICE until they die? Zephro fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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I have a question about Black Orchestra. The ability is pay 3 for +2 strength and to break 2 subs. If I have a high strength code gate, so that I have to pump Orchestra twice, what happens to the first "break 2 subs" clause? I'm assuming it whiffs because Black Orchestra is still too weak to interact with the ICE when the sub-breaks attempt to resolve, is that right? Worked example: Orchestra vs DNA Tracker. Does it cost 9 creds to break, or 6?
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It costs 9. You can't break subs unless the icebreaker meets or exceeds the strength of the ice, so the first 3 credits are only good for pumping strength.
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How does Credit Crash interact with Neutralize All Threats, anyways? NAT specifies that you must trash the first card you access by paying its trash cost, but Credit Crash says to trash the first card at no cost. There's no optionality or "may" in either text, so which takes priority? Does the runner choose?
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CodfishCartographer posted:How does Credit Crash interact with Neutralize All Threats, anyways? NAT specifies that you must trash the first card you access by paying its trash cost, but Credit Crash says to trash the first card at no cost. There's no optionality or "may" in either text, so which takes priority? Does the runner choose? Credit Crash, like you said, does not say "you may." Neutralize All Threats does, however, say "if able." I would say Credit Crash triggers, trashing the card for free unless the Corp prevents it. That card is still the first card accessed, so if you accessed another card in the same run with a trash cost, you would not be forced to trash it by NAT.
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CirclMastr posted:It costs 9. You can't break subs unless the icebreaker meets or exceeds the strength of the ice, so the first 3 credits are only good for pumping strength. Edit: Welp, didn't remember the wording on Paperclip. Hannibal Rex fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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Hannibal Rex posted:
Yeah, the first time I saw Black Orchestra's full text, I went "oh, it's Paperclip but for code gates and in increments of 2", too. Then I reread it a few more times and realized that Black Orchestra is kind of awful. Which makes sense because it's an anarch decoder.
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Yithian posted:Yeah, the first time I saw Black Orchestra's full text, I went "oh, it's Paperclip but for code gates and in increments of 2", too. Then I reread it a few more times and realized that Black Orchestra is kind of awful. Which makes sense because it's an anarch decoder. yog tho Too bad I was hoping to have the full suite of install from heap decoders but Orchestra just looks too mediocre to be worth it.
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It's probably for the best that your entire 3 breaker rig can't be both (somewhat) immune to trashing and efficient. That being said, black orchestra seems kinda bad even if it functionally worked like paper clip (i.e. all breaks occur after pumping str): italicized entries are $3 cheaper than how the card actually works Quandary: $3 Enigma: $3 (run last click discount not available) Fairchild 2: $5 or $3+brain Fairchild 3: $6 Tollbooth: $9 DNA Tracker: $6 Lotus Field: $3 Turing: $6 Archangel: $6 DNA tracker looks great, but you're doing as bad or worse than ZU(!) everywhere else but Lotus Field (where you actually look good, surprisingly) and Fairchild 3. Now that I've written that all down, the card actually seems interesting as an influence free yog supplement for lotus field and when your sucker counters get purged. Temujin Whizz can certainly afford it... fomo sacer fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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It is a little silly that Paperclip is straight better than Corroder, if it was just a little weaker it'd be more of a tradeoff.
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Fairchild 3 is 9 to break with BO
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StashAugustine posted:It is a little silly that Paperclip is straight better than Corroder, if it was just a little weaker it'd be more of a tradeoff. It will be quite a bit weaker when Ark Lockdown is released 
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berenzen posted:Fairchild 3 is 9 to break with BO Not in the hypothetical universe where DNA tracker costs 6 as well. I edited my post to clarify the dumb point I was badly trying to make. fomo sacer fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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StashAugustine posted:yog tho Yog.0 is bad because it's fixed strength and Datasucker counters can be purged. It's also 5 credits to install which is kind of a lot, especially in core-set Anarch. Yog.0 is great because it's strength 3 and Fantasy Flight spent the first three years of the game's existence printing code gates with strength 3 and below.
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Bkack Orchestra seems like a really nice trick card for a deck that also runs yog anyway.
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CirclMastr posted:It costs 9. You can't break subs unless the icebreaker meets or exceeds the strength of the ice, so the first 3 credits are only good for pumping strength. 
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So i just remembered i have a worlds ticket for this game and have no idea what im gonna play since i have no clue what the meta is and am bad at the game. Are whizzard/faust decks still a thing? Are there any decent corp decks that arent gimmicky that a retard like me can learn on the car trip to MN?
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banned from Starbucks posted:So i just remembered i have a worlds ticket for this game and have no idea what im gonna play since i have no clue what the meta is and am bad at the game. Are whizzard/faust decks still a thing? Dumbleforks is still a thing, AFAIK. quote:Are there any decent corp decks that arent gimmicky that a retard like me can learn on the car trip to MN? NBN asset spam is pretty simple? Play NEH or CTM, spam political assets, SanSans, etc, punish tags with EoI/Closed Accounts/ASI/Psycho and otherwise do generic yellow fast advance shenanigans.
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I'm in a similar position, work has kept me away from competitive netrunner. CTM is grim to play against, Emp Strike Whizzard or Kate with 3x rabbit hole are the obvious answers. Jammy HB - rush behind ICE with assembly lines and lateral growth is also strong, mostly because its really fast and has no assets to trash as a response to slow Whizzard decks. I'd avoid the power shutdown combo yellow deck as its fiddly. I'm probably bringing jank as I'm there for fun with no hope of winning.
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That being said, runners are the strongest that they have been, perhaps ever. Money has become incredibly easy for them to make, and despite some incredibly taxing ICE that's come down the pipeline, I think all 3 runner factions are exceedingly strong choices going into worlds. Likely runner decks that will be played are probably Andysucker, dumblefork, dyper shaper and whatever bullshit deck Dan decides to use the night before world's. Corp side is probably going to be primarily CTM, NEH fast advance or HB fast advance decks. IG kill was hurt hard with rumour mill, and Weyland still isn't in a good place yet.
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So uh, Hivemind: "Virus counters on Hivemind are considered to be hosted on all other virus programs for the purposes of card effects" If I have 2 hiveminds, wouldn't they create an infinite feedback loop? Every counter on HM1 (1 counter) is considered as hosted on HM2 (1 counter) for card effects. HM2 is now at 2 counters. Every counter on HM2 (2 counters) is considered hosted on HM1 (1 counter). HM1 now has 3 counters. And so on. Or is "Virus counters on Hivemind are considered to be hosted on all other virus programs for the purposes of card effects" not considered a card effect? e: also, it does not specify that the card effect has to be one on the other virus program. If I have a Medium hosted on a Progenitor and the corp purges, can I have Hivemind keep its virus counter instead of Medium because it counts as being on Medium for the purpose of Progenitor's effect? Machai fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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Hivemind is unique. You can only have one in play.
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Hivemind is unique.
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A little diamond in front of a cards name means unique.
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Ah okay. I wish they made that more clear.
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First issue is solved by Hivemind being unique. Second question: No, it specifically calls out the virus counter on Hivemind being the one to be treated on all other cards, but not all virus counters on a cards are considered to be on Hivemind. So if you have a medium on progenitor, the medium's counter stays, but not the Hivemind's as progenitor specifically calls out the virus counter hosted on that card. Edit: From the rulebook quote:Unique Cards berenzen fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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Machai posted:Ah okay. I wish they made that more clear. You're right, it could be more obvious. We had a new guy show up last week who made the same mistake.
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berenzen posted:That being said, runners are the strongest that they have been, perhaps ever. Money has become incredibly easy for them to make, and despite some incredibly taxing ICE that's come down the pipeline, I think all 3 runner factions are exceedingly strong choices going into worlds. Likely runner decks that will be played are probably Andysucker, dumblefork, dyper shaper and whatever bullshit deck Dan decides to use the night before world's. What are the best ways to make money for each of the various factions? I'm way out of date but curious
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TheParadigm posted:What are the best ways to make money for each of the various factions? I'm way out of date but curious Temujin contract. This applies for all runner factions. Actual answer: criminals use Temujin, shapers have Beth Kilrain-Chang and all the stealth credits in the universe thanks to Net Mercur, and I'm not super sure on anarchs. But seriously everyone loves Temujin.
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CodfishCartographer posted:Temujin contract. This applies for all runner factions.
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Sometimes if you spectate on a match on Jinteki.net you can see the player's hands, and sometimes you can't. Anyone know whether that's a bug or some kind of feature that I've been accidentally turning on and off?
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