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nerdman42 posted:What exactly was Daredevil's overarching theme and genre? Non joke answer: Fighting for justice in a corrupt world. Genre would be something like hardboiled action crime drama.
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nerdman42 posted:What exactly was Daredevil's overarching theme and genre? Gentrification
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nelson posted:Justice is blind. What does "fighting for justice" even mean? It's right up there with War on Terror. Nebulous to the point of distraction. That's a ... limited ... thematic reading.
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Drifter posted:What does "fighting for justice" even mean? It's right up there with War on Terror. Nebulous to the point of distraction. Moral relativism isn't fashionable anymore.
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Oct 11, 2016 06:10
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He's a gritty Catholic guilt ninja. Pretty much has been since the 80s when he developed more of a personality and plot. That's his thing. Massive amounts of guilt, then flip kicking a dude in the face.
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ImpAtom posted:Having talent doesn't make you good at something if you're unable to execute that talent properly. He is able to execute it properly. He just stopped doing so because he got distracted. In Season 1 he was an excellent lawyer. So the accurate statement would be "Matt became a lovely lawyer" and not "Season 2 showed us that Matt is a lovely lawyer" 
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Only through 7 episodes of Luke Cage, but man I like this dude who plays Shades. I can't believe I haven't seen him in more stuff.
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Drifter posted:What does "fighting for justice" even mean? It's right up there with War on Terror. Nebulous to the point of distraction.
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Oct 11, 2016 06:51
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PostNouveau posted:Only through 7 episodes of Luke Cage, but man I like this dude who plays Shades. I can't believe I haven't seen him in more stuff. The only other thing I remember him in was Sons of Anarchy
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luke cage was my first netflix marvel watch, so now I'm catching up on the rest in chronological order. Daredevil has been pretty good the whole way through so far, but S1 episode 8 "Shadows in the Glass" really knocked my socks off. one of the best episodes of dramatic television ever, imo the scenes with Hoffman being coerced into offing his partner, in particular. Wow!
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This show annoyed me about as much as JJ did - where they elected a whole bunch of times to not stop Kilgrave so the show could go on. There were just so many dumb, forced situations to justify 13 episodes of content. I liked Cottonmouth in the first couple of episodes - he seems like he's slightly honorable, trying to do right by Harlem or whatever, while having gone down the criminal path - and he's almost partially sympathetic like someone in The Wire. Then he casually blows up a restaurant and apartment building with a rocket launcher to erase any doubt that he's not a one dimensional twirly mustache cartoon villain. Diamondback was far, far too reckless and stupid to be the manager of anything. He's just psycho, not some long game strategic mastermind that Shades makes him out to be during the first half of the season. Lots of times where it was unbelievable that his men didn't just shoot him in the face and take all his money. It was also unbelievable that they had all these superhero-killing weapons the whole time but only when a black man started messing up small time drug dealing in Harlem did the criminals or the police or the governments want to try to use it to fight superheroes. Hello Civil War? Diamondback would have had a much better time if he had just used his super suit to kill Luke in ep 2. And why did he throw a really harmless grenade into Pop's barber shop at the end there? And also why did his normal bullets start hurting Luke during the opera house fight?... Vehementi fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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I doubt Luke Cage takes place post-Civil War. Not a single mention of Sokovia or SHIELD falling so it probably falls in the realm of post-Avengers 1. Probably pretty soon after since The Incident is still being hawked on the street. But overall I agree with your criticisms. The loving rocket launcher really seemed cartoonish to me, but maybe that's a call back to the series' blaxploitation roots which are often corny and over the top. I just didn't think multiple villains worked out well. I also didn't feel like we really got to know Cottonmouth. Yeah, I know, we had those flashbacks. Maybe Fisk DD Season 1 ruined me, but I was surprised none of the villains had a love story. In fact, none of the villains even seem to have a love interest.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I doubt Luke Cage takes place post-Civil War. Not a single mention of Sokovia or SHIELD falling so it probably falls in the realm of post-Avengers 1. Probably pretty soon after since The Incident is still being hawked on the street. Cottonmouth did have a love interest. This dude named Benjamin and his brothers. Sort of a polyamory thing.
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I figured the rocket launcher was just another way of showing how fragile Cottonmouth was. He had built up such a huge ego and a sense of power around himself, to have that threatened by one man pushed him over the edge. The most dangerous people are often the weakest. Luke Cage is bulletproof but restrained. Cottonmouth is fragile but volatile.
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Serf posted:I figured the rocket launcher was just another way of showing how fragile Cottonmouth was. He had built up such a huge ego and a sense of power around himself, to have that threatened by one man pushed him over the edge. The most dangerous people are often the weakest. Luke Cage is bulletproof but restrained. Cottonmouth is fragile but volatile. Makes a lot of sense, actually. Cottonmouth had run into a threat he couldn't browbeat into submission or shoot into, well, death. And, despite his much vaunted crimelord status, his finances were not all that liquid. So now he has this brick wall wiping out his cash while refusing to run or hide. EDIT: And we are not even talking about the damage to his street cred as a ruthless motherfucker. You need that to keep people in line when you aren't watching them.
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Venuz Patrol posted:one of the best episodes of dramatic television ever, imo Bahaha, ok.
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Cottonmouth was just inspired by watching some Justified earlier in the day.
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Electromax posted:Cottonmouth was just inspired by watching some Justified earlier in the day. I dunno, I think Blues Brothers would be the more apt inspiration.
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Electromax posted:Cottonmouth was just inspired by watching some Justified earlier in the day. Is that Walton Goggins as a Neo Nazi?!
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LadyPictureShow posted:Is that Walton Goggins as a Neo Nazi?! Woah, have you not watched Justified? You need watch Justified.
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LadyPictureShow posted:Is that Walton Goggins as a Neo Nazi?!
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Colonial Air Force posted:Woah, have you not watched Justified? howe_sam posted:Among other things, go watch Justified right now. I've realized the error of my ways. Gonna watch me some Justified.
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LadyPictureShow posted:I've realized the error of my ways. Gonna watch me some Justified. Good choice, the penultimate season is a little weak but then it returns to form. Great setting, and Walt Goggins is loving amazing (goes without saying I know).
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Finishing Luke Cage up. This last episode sucks pretty hard. Also, Diamondback's suit is really underwhelming. Green jump suit and a motorcycle helmet huh? Y'all right on about Diamondback being too psychotic. His only representative on the show for like 6 episodes is Shades who only ever gives Cottonmouth prudent counsel, and then Diamondback shows up and he's just shooting his own people and running into situations without a plan at all. They may as well have just stuck with Cottonmouth for the whole season. He could have continued his arc as a Kingpin kind of figure where everything falls apart around him and he gets crazier and crazier as it happens. Remy Danton's a good actor; he could have done a lot more. But good show. Not as good as Daredevil S1 or Jessica Jones, but still good. Edit: OK having actually finished, I think I'm looking forward to the second season more than the next Jessica Jones or Daredevil just because Mariah and Shades seem like they'll make very good main villains. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Oct 12, 2016 |
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I hope Iron First doesn't pull the type of bait-and-switch that DD2 and Luke Cage have pulled, where they change the villain mid-season.Vehementi posted:This show annoyed me about as much as JJ did - where they elected a whole bunch of times to not stop Kilgrave so the show could go on. There were just so many dumb, forced situations to justify 13 episodes of content. I think 13 episodes can work well if the main villain is made to be dangerous/powerful/untouchable enough so that the hero has to slowly work themselves up to a level where they can take him/her on. With JJ it didn't work because she was revealed to have developed an immunity to Kilgrave's mind control, and the only thing stopping her was her own inner-demons.
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enraged_camel posted:I hope Iron First doesn't pull the type of bait-and-switch that DD2 and Luke Cage have pulled, where they change the villain mid-season. You really think an entire season of Punisher vs Daredevil would've worked?
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I feel like all the Netflix shows except maybe DDS1 are about 3-4 episodes too long and have one too many villain/villain factions.
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ImpAtom posted:I feel like all the Netflix shows except maybe DDS1 are about 3-4 episodes too long and have one too many villain/villain factions. Definitely. 10 episodes would have been best for all of them.
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PostNouveau posted:
I think the story would have been better if Diamondback was just a crazy dude trying to kill Luke Cage in the middle of Harlem and that Cottonmouth and Mariah were just trying to take advantage of the situation to stop/frame Luke. I think you could keep all the important plot points without too many changes.
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The sense that I got from the show was that Diamondback was on point until Shades told him Carl Lucas was alive and superpowered. He starts off somewhat effective, but slowly gets crazier and more unhinged as time goes on because he is so insanely jealous of Luke. Dude was the golden boy growing up, and just when Willis thought he had gotten him out of the picture, he shows up again even better than before. So this relatively decent criminal slowly goes off the rails because he just can't believe how good the object of his lifelong hatred has it. Hence why he wants Mariah to turn the city against Cage. As time goes on, he doesn't want to just kill the guy, but force him into disgrace, like how he felt his entire life as a bastard son of a respectable preacher.
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I don't think it's really a matter of the episode count, it's more that the episodic stories aren't being told properly. The overall thematic narrative of JJ wasn't done by episode 10, and it was clear they still had more they wanted to say, but the overall plotting to get to that point didn't work as well as it should have. Making the season shorter doesn't actually fix the problem, because the problem was always that the structure of episodes wasn't being used to its fullest potential. Episode 10 isn't great, but it's not just a "Kilgrave needs to escape" episode. It does a lot more for the characters than that. I still love JJ, and honestly, with the exception of DD Season 1, I feel like JJ has had the "too many episodes" problem the least out of all the shows.
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Lurdiak posted:You really think an entire season of Punisher vs Daredevil would've worked? No, but they could have made the other villain someone who ties much more readily into the Punisher vs Daredevil story and its themes. As it is, Daredevil Season 2 was two halves of two completely different seasons awkwardly glued together.
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Cythereal posted:No, but they could have made the other villain someone who ties much more readily into the Punisher vs Daredevil story and its themes. As it is, Daredevil Season 2 was two halves of two completely different seasons awkwardly glued together. True enough, but I still think if they didn't make the ninjas and the black sky so loving lame it could've worked.
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Daredevil vs. Punisher with the Blacksmith becoming involved halfway through could've worked imo (what a waste of Clancy Brown). Excise the dumb Hand ninja stuff, Elektra is an assassin who works for the Blacksmith, boom. If you need a more tangible villain than the Blacksmith, maybe he hires Bullseye as backup for Elektra.
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Serf posted:The sense that I got from the show was that Diamondback was on point until Shades told him Carl Lucas was alive and superpowered. He starts off somewhat effective, but slowly gets crazier and more unhinged as time goes on because he is so insanely jealous of Luke. Dude was the golden boy growing up, and just when Willis thought he had gotten him out of the picture, he shows up again even better than before. So this relatively decent criminal slowly goes off the rails because he just can't believe how good the object of his lifelong hatred has it. Hence why he wants Mariah to turn the city against Cage. As time goes on, he doesn't want to just kill the guy, but force him into disgrace, like how he felt his entire life as a bastard son of a respectable preacher. But the scene with Diamondback's bible pretty clearly illustrated that he's always been nutty.
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Guy Goodbody posted:But the scene with Diamondback's bible pretty clearly illustrated that he's always been nutty. Right, I'm not disputing that the guy hasn't always been off his rocker. But clearly before Luke turned up he was holding it together enough to be a high-level arms dealer. It's only afterwards that he starts to lose his grip on sanity.
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Serf posted:Right, I'm not disputing that the guy hasn't always been off his rocker. But clearly before Luke turned up he was holding it together enough to be a high-level arms dealer. It's only afterwards that he starts to lose his grip on sanity. I think part of Guy's complaint (and mine too) is that we're told that Diamondback is this guy above Cottonmouth who is his secretive, discrete supplier and that the mere mention of Shade's employer is enough to make Cottonmouth nervous, and that Shades is really only there as a go-between between Diamondback and Cottonmouth. But when Diamondback finally does appear, he clearly has lost his grip on reality outdoing even Cottonmouth's most cartoonish moments. With quite a few episodes actually hitting the one hour mark, I kind of wish we'd gotten to see more of Diamondback and see him lose his head, just as we kind of did with Cottonmouth. Instead, we get him and he's already loving crazy and he's no more cunning than Cottonmouth was at his lowest.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think part of Guy's complaint (and mine too) is that we're told that Diamondback is this guy above Cottonmouth who is his secretive, discrete supplier and that the mere mention of Shade's employer is enough to make Cottonmouth nervous, and that Shades is really only there as a go-between between Diamondback and Cottonmouth. But when Diamondback finally does appear, he clearly has lost his grip on reality outdoing even Cottonmouth's most cartoonish moments. I don't disagree. I wish we could've seen more of Diamondback being a hardcore arms dealer. I wish Cottonmouth had lasted longer too. I'm just following the progression of Diamondback's degrading thought process from "I'll snipe him" to "I'll hunt him down" to "I'll turn the city against him and set the cops on him" to finally "I'll dress up in a super-suit and get into a streetfight with him". It all seemed to make sense to me as he gets more and more furious and desperate. More time spent on Cottonmouth, Mariah, Diamondback and Shades would've been great. I also would've loved to see more of Pistol Pete and Mama Mabel back in the day. Their operation was interesting to me.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think part of Guy's complaint (and mine too) is that we're told that Diamondback is this guy above Cottonmouth who is his secretive, discrete supplier and that the mere mention of Shade's employer is enough to make Cottonmouth nervous, and that Shades is really only there as a go-between between Diamondback and Cottonmouth. But when Diamondback finally does appear, he clearly has lost his grip on reality outdoing even Cottonmouth's most cartoonish moments. Well would you want to be around a guy that cuckoo bananas?
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