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Kelp Me! posted:lol if you think my listing a map at 40k instead of 45k when odds are they'll all be at 25k in a day's time is some sort of robber baron behavior I, too, cannot see the causal relationship between massive undercutting and the price of a good dropping
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Items like maps, materia, and popular consumables will sell regardless if you undercut by 1 gil or 10,000 gil. The person you're hurting the most with massive undercuts is yourself.
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Bleu posted:I, too, cannot see the causal relationship between massive undercutting and the price of a good dropping As flattering it is to think that the 3-4 maps I sell a week are the catalyst for the daily fluctuations of anywhere from ~18k to 45k+ on one of the most frequently sold items on the MB, I don't think that's the case, sorry. Chyea posted:Items like maps, materia, and popular consumables will sell regardless if you undercut by 1 gil or 10,000 gil. The person you're hurting the most with massive undercuts is yourself. This is really the only valid point made so far (Ilifin said the same thing too) about this argument.
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Oct 11, 2016 20:52
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Kelp Me! posted:As flattering it is to think that the 3-4 maps I sell a week are the catalyst for the daily fluctuations of anywhere from ~18k to 45k+ on one of the most frequently sold items on the MB, I don't think that's the case, sorry. So, will you stop being a shithead and just undercut by 1 gil?
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Oct 11, 2016 20:55
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I didn't think much of gathering until I successfully collected my first counterfoil and that was probably the most satisfying thing I've done in the game yet.
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Verranicus posted:So, will you stop being a shithead and just undercut by 1 gil? Depends, will you stop posting forever?
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Somehow Verranicus is right that massive undercutting for no real reason (I can't think of a good reason to massively undercut the price unless you're some master market manipulator where you buy everything at a low price and sell later or something) is extremely dumb.
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seiferguy posted:Somehow Verranicus is right that massive undercutting for no real reason (I can't think of a good reason to massively undercut the price unless you're some master market manipulator where you buy everything at a low price and sell later or something) is extremely dumb. Honestly? It is dumb, and I usually don't undercut by nearly that much on maps, and when I do I deserve the gil loss for my laziness/impatience. And I understand the frustration of having someone gently caress with market prices by listing 15 Luminous Fibers or whatever at half the current going rate: you worked hard to craft that poo poo, and this asshat is eating into your profits. But loving lol at anybody who gets angry over the fact that I'm undercutting treasure maps once or twice a week. The phrase "a drop in the bucket" applies pretty heavily in this situation.
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Oct 11, 2016 21:05
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Jesus christ thread
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as long as you know you're a moron you can do whatever the hell you want. just don't get all defensive when people call you out on it
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What was the name of the self proclaimed market baron who got irrationally angry every time someone undercut him on glamours? He claimed to have a trade cabal and everything.
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Oct 11, 2016 21:11
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Undercut all you want friend (and justifiably be the object of scorn) but my maps sell within the hour I post them because they're consumed like popcorn so there's very little reason to list them at anything but the current market price. You're just denying yourself gil at that point.
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I crafted myself the weaver i195 offhand, but since i don't immediately need it and asking 2.7 mil for a 3 star craft with material cost of like 450k is complete bullshit in my eyes, i decided to throw it onto the market board for today. Don't really expect to sell it. But i've been undercutting the like 4 other crafters asking the above price who are waging their dumb 1 gil war for the entire day. Every time they undercut me by 1 gil, i undercut them by 100k. I've been checking every hour or so, and i've already driven the price down to 1.7mil. I'm gonna pull out at the end of the day and use it for myself, but maybe some other aspiring crafter can make use of my fun little venture and get started on high-end crafting for a less-than-ridiculous prize. Even if my gambit fails and someone buys my offhand, i'm currently still more than a million up from what it cost me to make. I'm interested to see how far these others would be willing to race to the bottom in this game of market board chicken, but i have to call it soon. 
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Velthice posted:as long as you know you're a moron you can do whatever the hell you want. just don't get all defensive when people call you out on it I own up to my dumbness and am rewarded with the satisfaction that verranicus grinds his teeth a little every time he sees a Dragonskin Map being sold for less than the (constantly, rapidly fluctuating) market average
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I usually end up buying the item that is 1 gil more expensive than the undercut anyway because it feels like the right thing to do to me.
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Kelp Me! posted:lol if you think my listing a map at 40k instead of 45k when odds are they'll all be at 25k in a day's time is some sort of robber baron behavior I do this too. Honest to god, people get so bent out of shape about the worthless money in this game. I take great pleasure "ruining the market boards" little by little if only to create some self satisfaction that I may have inadvertently trolled people, including some of the people in this thread. 5k isn't going to make or break your bank, weenies.
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The Grimace posted:I do this too. Most people here are right though - I am losing out on money for absolutely no real good reason. It's just the small fringe of "zomg I hate people like you, ruining the economy" posts that make it worth it 
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Oct 11, 2016 21:21
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I personally always match the lowest price of whatever I decide to sell. I even use a retainer named "Alwaysmatchesprices" for it. more often than not people see the name, assume it's a bot, and just meet the price. prices stay high, everyone's happy, and we poo poo on the poors forever and ever
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The Grimace posted:I do this too. Epic trolling, man. Just epic.
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Verranicus posted:Epic trolling, man. Just epic. gotta give credit where it's due, your posting is getting better
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I usually end up buying the item that is 1 gil more expensive than the undercut anyway because it feels like the right thing to do to me. I do this too, unless I'm buying a big stack of something.
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Velthice posted:I personally always match the lowest price of whatever I decide to sell. I even use a retainer named "Alwaysmatchesprices" for it. more often than not people see the name, assume it's a bot, and just meet the price. prices stay high, everyone's happy, and we poo poo on the poors forever and ever Really what started me off on the undercutting at all was the fact that the map market fluctuates so drat fast. SettingSun mentioned his maps always sell right away even without undercutting; maybe I've just had bad luck but more often than not it seemed like the market would drop right after I listed my map, and I would end up having to drop the price to match. I know that's the nature of the market, but it happened enough times that I just said gently caress it and started undercutting more and more each time. Not arguing that the amount I do it by is dumb as hell, though. I stand by my unrelated opinion that maps are fun as hell, and easy as hell to obtain, and I wouldn't mind the loss of steady income if it meant maps were much cheaper/more accessible.
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My fun undercutting adventure was the Christmas event from... two years ago? It involved getting a simple to craft item that people were selling for thousands. I decided to get in the spirit of the holiday and fill up both my retainers selling them for a whole 1 gil apiece. I was surprised that it took something like a day and a half for somebody to try and buy them all up and relist them. They got half my stock (I was dicking around in the house so it was easy to pull a retainer) so I decided to change my strategy and set a price ceiling: 40 of them would be on the market at all times for 1k for the rest of the event. It wasn't a market-shaking action or anything, just trying to give everybody a Merry Christmas.Josuke Higashikata posted:I usually end up buying the item that is 1 gil more expensive than the undercut anyway because it feels like the right thing to do to me. I do this too for no adequately explained reason 
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I usually end up buying the item that is 1 gil more expensive than the undercut anyway because it feels like the right thing to do to me. {Same.}
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Kelp Me! posted:Really what started me off on the undercutting at all was the fact that the map market fluctuates so drat fast. SettingSun mentioned his maps always sell right away even without undercutting; maybe I've just had bad luck but more often than not it seemed like the market would drop right after I listed my map, and I would end up having to drop the price to match. I know that's the nature of the market, but it happened enough times that I just said gently caress it and started undercutting more and more each time. Not arguing that the amount I do it by is dumb as hell, though. noted, but it sounds like you're babysitting them trying to get your payout as soon as possible, which is fine to do for a big ticket item that moves slowly but for something fast moving like maps all you have to do is throw it up, forget about it and wait for the market to eventually yo-yo to your price a few days later
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HenryEx posted:I crafted myself the weaver i195 offhand, but since i don't immediately need it and asking 2.7 mil for a 3 star craft with material cost of like 450k is complete bullshit in my eyes, i decided to throw it onto the market board for today. Don't really expect to sell it. But i've been undercutting the like 4 other crafters asking the above price who are waging their dumb 1 gil war for the entire day.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Real maps take 60 Yes but it took no effort to get to from 50 to 60, all the leveling difficulty for gatherers is in the 1-50 range.
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Dr Snofeld posted:
I uh I don't get this joke What turbo nerd thing is it referencing
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The Eorzean free market knows whats best for us warriors of light.boy are my arms tired posted:I uh I don't get this joke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MAmkKp5tsI
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Eopia posted:Yes but it took no effort to get to from 50 to 60, all the leveling difficulty for gatherers is in the 1-50 range. Yeah because starting at 50 you can fill up you inventory with the level 50 collectables and get over 2 million per full inventory. You could just poop sock it for a day and get any gatherer to 60
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Every single quest ends with someone being like "Guess it's time to turn myself in to the cops."
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FactsAreUseless posted:Every single quest ends with someone being like "Guess it's time to turn myself in to the cops." It's more like "Pray, guess it be time I be turnin' meself and me own into th'cops."
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Dr Snofeld posted:
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seiferguy posted:The Eorzean free market knows whats best for us warriors of light. jesus ok that's esoteric
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Less esoteric, more, "you just outed yourself as being at least That song topped at #1 on Billboard's Top 100, back in the day. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Oct 11, 2016 |
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I undercut to a whole number becasue inputing finicky numbers is annoying on controller and I can't be bothered to reach for my keyboard. Sometimes this means I undercut by a lot.
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seiferguy posted:The Eorzean free market knows whats best for us warriors of light. I know that's the original but this will forever be what I think of first https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2E1m90YSpA&t=19s
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boy are my arms tired posted:jesus ok that's esoteric This post in particular makes me feel old.
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cheetah7071 posted:I undercut to a whole number becasue inputing finicky numbers is annoying on controller and I can't be bothered to reach for my keyboard. Sometimes this means I undercut by a lot. I take my laziness one step further and never adjust the tens or singles digits of the selling price (so if the default sale price is 17g and I'm listing for 10k, it's gonna get listed at 10,017). Same reasoning as you. I like to think that someone out there sees my weird prices and believes I'm doing something in-depth like pre-calculating market tax so that I end up with an even 10k in my pocket, and not just that I'm a lazy moron.
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