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So I got a survey from amazon game studios.   So I assume because I wrote it in they included it in future questions.
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XK posted:Roberts drinking his own Flavor-Aid, and losing any money he's siphoned out of this project by putting it back in, would be icing on the cake of this project failing. It's so stupid I almost expect it to be true. It would certainly explain the rumors of Sandi and Chris arguing. If she had been a smarter little girl she would have gotten herself a prenup.
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Oct 12, 2016 21:52
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Lladre posted:It would certainly explain the rumors of Sandi and Chris arguing. i'd imagine she'd have a better shot without it aside from hindsight i guess
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Oct 12, 2016 21:53
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Lladre posted:i'm not talking about the skeleton. Attachment points for other objects. And they won't scale to each other properly since they will both scale to the respective origin point. So they'd drift apart from each other the smaller you go. It works the same. Changing the world scale is a linear transformation. As far as the objects, origins, skeletons and attachment points are concerned, nothing changed. It's not a world mapped on the surface of a baloon - the objects don't drift apart when you inflate the baloon.
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Oct 12, 2016 21:58
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TheAgent posted:the models right now literally can't move their mouths when they speak, so that would have made for a great demo Do they want to scream?
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Oct 12, 2016 21:59
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ripptide posted:So basically, they've paid themselves high salaries/large bonuses, then use that money to "loan" the company money but with a high interest rate? What if it were any other employee, buying a share in CIG? It's not that weird or scummy. If anything, it's idiotic. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:02
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orcinus posted:Do they want to scream?
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Oct 12, 2016 22:02
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trucutru posted:Well, the current poll at their forums says you're wrong, a liar, and you smell. Yes. This is correct. The only person who wants Sq42 is Chris Roberts. And Sandi to pad her acting resume. Nobody is buying ships for Sq42. They're buying ships to lord over wageslaves in a multiplayer universe. Sq42 is not a life replacement movie. Star Citizen is the life replacer. I think people are realizing this as well more and more (That SC is not Chris's baby project and he doesn't much care about it). There'll be another reckoning day when people come to terms with that. Might be after Sq42 Ep 0 releases and CIG says everything is going into Ep 0.5, while Star Citizen is a PowerPoint slide.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:02
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Chris reinvesting his money puts SC back in drama territory. Are the main characters going to get what they deserve? 
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Oct 12, 2016 22:05
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trucutru posted:Actually, the ship models, plants, and fish are in their janky demo already. The comedy was that it's virtual. I believe the term merchandise naturally refers to physical goods and actual items that can go in real stores. Though I guess it can go to virtual goods kinda. I don't know! I'm not a marketing genius since I was a little girl.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:06
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SomethingJones posted:It is all going to collapse in a pile of debt. Come on guys. Some of those things are actually in the game, like rentable ships and multicrew. This isn't and should not be an echo chamber.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:17
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his nibs posted:Unironically there is a PhD/Masters just begging to be done on this. If I had it in me to go back to school I'd totally take this on. But getting an MBA they make you write a thesis they call a "Business Plan". Although I do have a friend working on a PhD. in organizational behavior...I should suggest this as an idea for her dissertation.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:17
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ripptide posted:So basically, they've paid themselves high salaries/large bonuses, then use that money to "loan" the company money but with a high interest rate? It is scummy when you know that the company will be able to pay your loan back. If you don't have that guarantee then it's dumb as gently caress and desperate.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:21
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Based on what I've seen, the answer is that it depends but in general no. In my opinion the Call of Duty series pretty much leads the way when it comes to using cinematography in games, and they have examples where they use AAA talent for voice actors as well as performance capture. Strangely enough they have a studio in LA specifically for this purpose, since it's far cheaper to bring in someone from Hollywood when all they have to do is drive over as opposed to fly across the Atlantic. This is a pretty good video about how high quality talent can be used for their voice alone: Hrmmm. The opinion of a leaver that apparently does not like fidelity. Do you really not understand how jarring it would be to see the brilliant voicework of Oldman tied to the mocap work of the one janitor that wasn't busy dustbustering up pubes from Sandis office floor?
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Oct 12, 2016 22:22
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TheAgent posted:current interesting rumor please god yes. please end up penniless because you bought into your own hype
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Oct 12, 2016 22:22
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SpaceCurtisLeMay posted:If I had it in me to go back to school I'd totally take this on. But getting an MBA they make you write a thesis they call a "Business Plan". Although I do have a friend working on a PhD. in organizational behavior...I should suggest this as an idea for her dissertation. no, no you do not want to take this on. Doing a Ph.D. on this would be staring far, far too long into the abyss and trying to apply logic to this fiasco. However, writing a comedy/tragedy epic based on this would be different. And long.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:23
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:please god yes. please end up penniless because you bought into your own hype Yessss.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:23
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WLMortis posted:Pro click for the art showcase at the bottom. Apparently there is a jury room somewhere in LA featuring a painted tracing of a Spawn comic panel by a local teen. This is incredible
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Look at the bright side: that kind of deal is almost the exact opposite of what the chairman of Enron did, so we can now update the CIG-vs-Enron list slightly: Differences: • Top executive extends loan to company to cover company economic shortfall, rather than company extending loans to top executive to cover the exec's economic shortfall (caused by the company's economic shortfall). • …
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late, but seconding the love for Call of Cthulhu Dark Corners of the Earth. that game is fantastic, the first time i thought i saw a shoggoth sliding around through a basement window i lost my mind
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Oct 12, 2016 22:28
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ha ha Big Doug
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I can't decide if I want to get CoD:IW or wait for Titanfall 2 
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Oct 12, 2016 22:29
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Tippis posted:Look at the bright side: that kind of deal is almost the exact opposite of what the chairman of Enron did, so we can now update the CIG-vs-Enron list slightly: Dude, while both are horrible at running a company the Enron scams were AAA quality. The SC ones are of the self-selecting mouthbreather type.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:30
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:please god yes. please end up penniless because you bought into your own hype Actually, it's just as likely at this point they're trying to end up as creditors to their own company so they can get payouts during the liquidation. Or someshite like that. Of course I'm not sure I believe it, it sounds like a dumb thing to do. Then again, CIG.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:30
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alf_pogs posted:ha ha Big Doug Crobbler is "Man who owes Money"
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Oct 12, 2016 22:32
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Lladre posted:It would certainly explain the rumors of Sandi and Chris arguing. So he couldn't get any of the money she made staring in tickle porn? The moron giveth, the moron taketh away.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:32
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Pilz posted:Actually, it's just as likely at this point they're trying to end up as creditors to their own company so they can get payouts during the liquidation. Or someshite like that. Of course I'm not sure I believe it, it sounds like a dumb thing to do. Then again, CIG. Could they do that? I don't know poo poo about financing or fraud.
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Daztek posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Starcitizen_trades/about/traffic It is probably people just wanting to trade old ships for Polaris and not any sort of realization dawning on them.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:33
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XK posted:Roberts drinking his own Flavor-Aid, and losing any money he's siphoned out of this project by putting it back in, would be icing on the cake of this project failing. It's so stupid I almost expect it to be true. I wonder if the Feds really are starting to sniff around. "Oh yeah, we put all that money back, see?" Not sure how well that would fly. A high interest "loan" sounds more likely, to be paid back in full prior to CIG folding completely.
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Oct 12, 2016 22:34
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trucutru posted:Dude, while both are horrible at running a company the Enron scams were AAA quality. The SC ones are of the self-selecting mouthbreather type. Yeah, but the Enron scams were run by the CFO, not the CEO(s). They just failed to keep tabs on what the hell Fastow et al. were doing.  Then again, his scam was pretty stupid too, so maybe the California rip-offs are a better example, which would cut the execs out completely.
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Citizencon: The Weekend in Photos   etc.
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WLMortis posted:Pro click for the art showcase at the bottom. Apparently there is a jury room somewhere in LA featuring a painted tracing of a Spawn comic panel by a local teen. Ryan Archer?
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Oct 12, 2016 22:37
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Marching Powder posted:derek is like.... chris roberts! 
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WLMortis posted:Pro click for the art showcase at the bottom. Apparently there is a jury room somewhere in LA featuring a painted tracing of a Spawn comic panel by a local teen. 
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Propagandist posted:Could they do that? I don't know poo poo about financing or fraud. it starts getting tangled if the company goes under, because you're now part of the people trying to get monies returned. this starts getting really complicated and we'd need a lawyer to suss out details but I really don't believe roberts thinks he's anywhere close to being done financially, more than likely he ponied up a fair bit of cash in the company to show other investors (or employees) that everything is a-ok and when that sq42 releases 5m germans will buy it day one
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Pilz posted:Actually, it's just as likely at this point they're trying to end up as creditors to their own company so they can get payouts during the liquidation. Or someshite like that. Of course I'm not sure I believe it, it sounds like a dumb thing to do. Then again, CIG. Yeah, at this point I'd say it's more likely: 1. I swear this is a separate company so that we can take advantage of tax incentives and "investment in the local economy" bonuses (already seen with Illfonic amongst others, IIRC). 2. When company X (which has zero tangible assets) goes tits up due to lack of funds, maybe we can still hold onto company Y which owns a building and bought 2 million dollars worth of mocap nonsense. 3. It sure is easy to hide the current financial state of the company when you have 30 different subsidiaries!
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Propagandist posted:Could they do that? I don't know poo poo about financing or fraud. Yes, you can give your loans preferential status so that you are among the first to get paid when the company is liquidated. Scummy as all gently caress and likely to be contested but it can be done. The problem is that CIG has nothing but a fancy coffee machine, lovely code, and some nice assets to liquidate so I doubt that even CRoberts would double-down: It is beyond stupid.
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orcinus posted:What if it were any other employee, buying a share in CIG? Assuming it's true, I say it's scummy because, while they continue to drag "pledges" out of people with no guarantee there will actually be a final product, these guys would be taking the money they've given themselves out of that pot and "lend" it back to the company with an interest rate. If they had just put the money back in with no or little additional return, then I would have left it at "stupid". But this is more like profiting on the profit you've already grabbed on a product you've yet to deliver. Not to mention, what would the conditions of the "loan" be if CIG went bankrupt? Would they be considered secured creditors, basically recovering their money before anyone else was considered?
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