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Jonathan Fisk posted:Tannehill is trash, and most any QB in the league looks good unpressured the second part of this is not even remotely true, not even a little bit
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Those big contracts for QBs aren't really a handicap, pretty much the norm for any team that has recently signed a QB they expect to be the future. I wonder if this will ever swing back. I don't expect salaries to go down or anything but thinking more in relation to how much other positions make. Like, do NFL front offices look at a guy like Brock Osweiler causing a bidding war and think "drat this poo poo is crazy, something needs to be reigned in" or do they think "just shows how few QBs there are in the world, better pay our mediocre dude a billion dollars?"
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Amy Pole Her posted:What on earth in Miamis recent history makes you think they think this? They let a complete and utter moron control this team to the tune of NOT RUNNING THE BALL WHEN YOU AVERAGE 5.0 YPC. The problems are mostly Ross' own doing because he keeps setting up these front office and coaching dynamics that are doomed to be dysfunctional. And then on top of it he occasionally sticks his fingers into the pie, like trying to personally wine and dine Harbaugh or Jeff Fisher.
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Ugh. gently caress the Browns. Now how can I lord my moral superiority over Steelers fans? I'm afraid I'll turn into Parm.
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Browns:quote:Rick Venturi: "After three years of losing football, they were nearing the end of their rope in Cleveland. We turned it around in 1994. We won 11 games and won the wild-card playoffs. We were really on the cusp of something great there in Cleveland." quote:Heath Evans (Patriots Fullback 2005-08, Current NFL Network Analyst): "Everything was ripped out from underneath him. Nobody in the world could have survived that. It was an absolute dumpster fire, what ownership did to him in Cleveland. If you look at the Bill we know now, the same thing he did in New England was going to happen in Cleveland. I have no doubt that 1995 in Cleveland would have been like the 2001 Super Bowl season in New England if Bill had been allowed to continue to grow and groom his staff and his team." quote:Rick Venturi: "Once they announced the move, 1995 became as bad as anything I've ever been through from a football standpoint-a total, miserable death slide. It went from the greatest sports city in the world to an 80,000-person wake on Sundays. Bill would never show it, but it took a toll on him." Raiders: quote:Amy Trask (Raiders CEO, 1997-2013): "In 1998 I recommended to Al Davis that we hire Bill as the Raiders head coach. Al decided to go with Jon Gruden, an offensive-minded coach, which surprised no one in the league. But Al liked Bill very much. Bill made it clear he would always tailor his schemes to maximize his players' talents. That's what the best coaches do, the best business people do and the best leaders do: They put their people in the best possible position to succeed. And that's what Bill does. I was always tickled pink years later when Al would say to me, 'Well, you sure can pick a coach, kid.'"
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Marshmallow Blue posted:Elite QBs get the ball out in less than 3 seconds. Tannehill should be able to no problem. Andy Dalton = Elite QB confirmed.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The problems are mostly Ross' own doing because he keeps setting up these front office and coaching dynamics that are doomed to be dysfunctional. And then on top of it he occasionally sticks his fingers into the pie, like trying to personally wine and dine Harbaugh or Jeff Fisher. I agree with the second part except he's really learned from it and stepped aside. He's let his football people take over But he's trusting Tannebaum to right our ship. I mean... Ross is a great owner but obviously he has some lapses in judgment in hiring
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Brannock posted:Browns: Looking back Bill probably was the better choice but Gruden brought an energy to Oakland during his five years as coach that we are just now getting back. And unless Belicheck had managed get a Super Bowl there was a good possibility he would have ran into Al's ego just like Gruden did.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Those big contracts for QBs aren't really a handicap, pretty much the norm for any team that has recently signed a QB they expect to be the future. It isn't the dollars and cents of the contract, it's more the unwillingness to move on from it. Plenty of teams including my own have given tons of money to ugly QBs but they have sobered up and moved on. What I'm saying is the Dolphins have been content to stick with the guy and obviously neglected the rest of their team as well. Is Tannehill the cause of all the Dolphins issues? No but he isn't the solution either and is regressing. Turning the team around isn't even as simple as fixing the Oline because they have been badly mismanaged, and even worse they lack motivation in my opinion.
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What I got out of Heath Evans' comments on Bill Belichick was pretty much "gently caress Art Modell"
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Oberst posted:I love Art Modell You're a monster and I will piss on your grave after Art's.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:You're a monster and I will piss on your grave after Art's. 
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Chris James 2 posted:Panthers/Cards week 8 no longer America's Game of the Week And now the cards have another early EST game to poo poo the bed during. At least it's only 2 hours earlier by then
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korrandark posted:Andy Dalton = Elite QB confirmed. andey dalden
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Art Modell was a modern American hero I will poop in your furnace.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Yeah I can't imagine a world where Belichick and Davis wouldn't have clashed constantly. But Bill just wins, baby.
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bigmcgaffney posted:And now the cards have another early EST game to poo poo the bed during. At least it's only 2 hours earlier by then Both teams have turned into pumpkins so I aint even mad. Please stay safe cammy cam.
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Ghost Dog posted:the second part of this is not even remotely true, not even a little bit pretty much any qb above replacement level will perform well unpressured if you're trotting out ryan lindley you're probably hosed but I'd assumed that was covered in my original language
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Through 5 weeks, top three rookies per PFF Wentz, Prescott, 49ers CB Rashard Robinson hmmmmmmmmmmmm PFF's methods seem pretty foolproof guys
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Spoeank posted:Through 5 weeks, top three rookies per PFF they had the giants offensive line graded #3 last week
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N: http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-eagles/desean-jackson-praises-doug-pederson-doesnt-dismiss-possible-eagles-reunion V: Come home DeSean...your team needs you
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pasaluki posted:It isn't the dollars and cents of the contract, it's more the unwillingness to move on from it. Plenty of teams including my own have given tons of money to ugly QBs but they have sobered up and moved on. I don't understand this take. Miami has invested a ton in trying to create an environment in which Tannehill can succeed. It's not they have neglected the rest of the team. It's that the moves that were made did not work out. The offensive line is filled with guys drafted between rounds 1 and 3 and it has been just awful. I have no idea if they are poorly coached, unmotivated or something else, but it's not fair to say the Dolphins haven't attempted to address the issues. The attempts have just been spectacular failures. Lastly, I have no idea if Tannehill is regressing. He isn't even given enough time in the pocket for us to know if that's the case.
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pasaluki posted:It isn't the dollars and cents of the contract, it's more the unwillingness to move on from it. Plenty of teams including my own have given tons of money to ugly QBs but they have sobered up and moved on. There's a huge difference between incompetent action and neglect. On the flip side Kiko Alonso looks pretty dang good (relative to the expectations) so I'm a fan. Hoping we can lock him up for 3 more years
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Amy Pole Her posted:Hoping we can lock him up for 3 more years Why don't you just cut to the chase, sneak up on him and slash his achilles
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Amy Pole Her posted:There's a huge difference between incompetent action and neglect. Maybe if you offer him one of those $60million fully guaranteed contracts? I wonder if you think Suh will be worth his $19million cap hit next season.
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GaussianCopula posted:Maybe if you offer him one of those $60million fully guaranteed contracts? I wonder if you think Suh will be worth his $19million cap hit next season. what do you know about contracts, pretty boy? how would you like a $60 million contract upside your head?
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Ehud posted:what do you know about contracts, pretty boy? how would you like a $60 million contract upside your head? I only know that Gronk and Bennett together eat up less cap space than Suh.
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GaussianCopula posted:I only know that Gronk and Bennett together eat up less cap space than Suh. and you were an integral part of the negotiations!
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http://www.patriots.com/video/2016/10/12/bose-sights-and-sounds-week-5-vs-browns In case you just can't get enough of the Patriots.
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Chris Harris Jr wrote a thing for The Players Tribune that breaks down covering elite receivers: http://www.theplayerstribune.com/top-5-nfl-receivers-chris-harris-jr/ I posted this yesterday but y'all ignored it in favor of arguing over Ryan Tannehill. It's a cool link, and you should click it
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