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hogmartin posted:If there isn't a lost Sergio Leone print of that in a vault somewhere then we're definitely living in the wrong timeline. Reminds me of my favorite ~classic~ SA movie poster photoshop, "yojimbo meets the man with no name". I'd share it but phone posting...
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given what i know about 16th and 17th century spanish, i bet when they figured out what samurai were they would get really into the idea in fact, one black spanish or portugese guy became a samurai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I've always been sickened by the hypocrisy of the Allies when it comes to submarine warfare in WW2. Unrestricted submarine warfare in the Atlantic after the Laconia Incident was evil, but Day One unrestricted submarine warfare in the Pacific was totally cool because Japanese people don't count. That's an ugly position, only accepted because the Allies were the winners and all the moral gray areas of WW2 get subsumed into "good war" narrative. I know this is from pages ago but I'm just catching up and it made me super mad - Nimitz himself literally defended the German strategy saying we did the exact same poo poo in the Pacific ourselves what hypocrisy are you talking about?
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Crazycryodude posted:I know this is from pages ago but I'm just catching up and it made me super mad - Nimitz himself literally defended the German strategy saying we did the exact same poo poo in the Pacific ourselves what hypocrisy are you talking about?
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Crazycryodude posted:I know this is from pages ago but I'm just catching up and it made me super mad - Nimitz himself literally defended the German strategy saying we did the exact same poo poo in the Pacific ourselves what hypocrisy are you talking about? Nimitz =/= "the Allies". There was a lot of pressure from some high political offices to convict high ranking Nazis. The post war trials are remembered as the start of litigating the Holocaust but that was a side show. The lists of charges lean way more heavily on things like waging a war of aggression and engaging in non-genocide war crimes. Unrestricted submarine war on neutral shipping was the big on he was found guilty of, but they also dinged him on not preventing forced labor from being used in ship yards. They tried to get him as part of a conspiracy to "commit crimes against peace" but that didn't stick. Supposedly he didn't get any extra time for the submarine stuff but the sentences he got for the other stuff were kind of stiff so . . .
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Ok I just read another page or two after that initial comment and can we just pretend I didn't say anything because this argument I'm currently in the middle of is dumb and stupid and if we haven't already can we go back to talking about history instead of this stupid D&D stuff?
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HEY GAL posted:i want this movie so bad i could cry I'd be happy with Kurosawa doing it vvv Well, we were talking forgotten master prints, right? vvv Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 13, 2016 17:36
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Kurosawa died eight years ago, so unless there's a forgotten master film hidden in an underground bunker somewhere, you're outta luck. But oh man I'd kill for that movie.
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HEY GAL posted:i want this movie so bad i could cry Well I know what Quentin Tarantino's next film is
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MikeCrotch posted:Well I know what Quentin Tarantino's next film is Bad?
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MikeCrotch posted:Well I know what Quentin Tarantino's next film is
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HEY GAL posted:17th century japanese and 17th century spanish both had huge wide-brimmed hats which they could pull low over their eyes while staring a dude down, too What are the Spanish ones?
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xthetenth posted:What are the Spanish ones?  edit: there's a great scene in Alatriste (the movie) where an assassin pulls his big hat low over his eyes and wraps himself up in a big cloak HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Fuligin posted:Found it. I'm only at the 2nd Punic War, but this is indeed extremely rad, thanks for posting. Nenonen posted:Bad? 
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Thank you for the effortpost links! These are great!
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hogmartin posted:If there isn't a lost Sergio Leone print of that in a vault somewhere then we're definitely living in the wrong timeline. We definately are: the last Sergio Leone project signed Robert De Niro to star in a movie about the siege of Lenningrad. Ennio Morricone was going to do the score. Leone died of a massive heart attack before he could start.
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Last 30 minutes of that movie would have been 2 armies staring eachother down.
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Fuligin posted:Found it. This is so great. Thank you for your time. I am always interested! I just watched once upon a time in the west this week, so the loss of Sergio Leone Stalingrad strikes deep. Eela6 fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:We definately are: the last Sergio Leone project signed Robert De Niro to star in a movie about the siege of Lenningrad. Ennio Morricone was going to do the score. Leone died of a massive heart attack before he could start. Huge, huge missed opportunity for a bunch of good Oreshek scenes..
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HEY GAL posted:their name has changed but that's cheerfullydrab, they believe the US was morally wrong to enter that war and that the USSR was the moral equivalent of nazi germany, holocaust included. they make all their ww2 arguments with those conclusions in mind. That's a hell of a odd hat to wear. Who does he root for then? Vichy France?
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Nebakenezzer posted:That's a hell of a odd hat to wear. Who does he root for then? Vichy France?
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Yvonmukluk posted:Tell me more.  This guy's wikipedia page header describes him as "A Roman noble of Japanese Imperial descent"
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HEY GAL posted:their name has changed but that's cheerfullydrab, they believe the US was morally wrong to enter that war and that the USSR was the moral equivalent of nazi germany, holocaust included. they make all their ww2 arguments with those conclusions in mind. That's rather harsh. What the Soviets did in Central Europe was bad, but nothing like what was outlined in Generalplan Ost. I'd at least like to defend myself on that moral equivalency thing. Soviet Union = Nazi Germany is a view held by some pretty horrible folks. Past that, yes I have some terrible opinions, name change or no name change. However, I do know my stuff and can contribute to discussions as long as I keep the other stuff out of things.
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did you post in that namechange thread? i'm not recognizing a lot of posters lately...
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HEY GAL posted:did you post in that namechange thread? i'm not recognizing a lot of posters lately... Yup yup in GBS and I was thusly granted with a wacky new name.
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Nebakenezzer posted:We definately are: the last Sergio Leone project signed Robert De Niro to star in a movie about the siege of Lenningrad. Ennio Morricone was going to do the score. Leone died of a massive heart attack before he could start. Sergio Leone posted:“I start with a close-up of the hands of Shostakovich. They are on the keys of his piano … The camera will be on a helicopter out of the house and close up will be taken through the open window. We see the hands seeking the notes of the “Leningrad Symphony”. And the composer begins. The music is repetitive. It begins with three instruments, then five, then ten, then twenty, then one hundred … And my opening will be made on this music. In one clip. A clip as it has never been done: the camera leaves the close up of the hands of the composer. It goes back. We discover his room. It comes out through the window. It is the street. Dawn. Two civilians out into the street. Everyone carries a gun. And they ride on a tram. The camera follows the tram. The music continues. The tram stops several times. Civilians take it. They are all carrying weapons. Finally, the tram arrives in a suburb. It stops in a small square where there are already several other trams. And beside them, there are waiting trucks. Trams empty. All the passengers were armed men … no women. Men climb into the trucks. The camera follows the truck. Always the music. Always the same plane. No cuts. No inserts. And we arrive at the front trenches to protect the city. Music is increasingly strong. There are trenches. And suddenly, the camera goes to the steppe. Huge. Empty. The music rises more. Until the camera has crossed the steppe to take in a row, thousands of German tanks ready to fire. And from the first shots, mixed with music, I cut! Following plan: a curtain opens. This is the concert of Shostakovich. Five thousand people in the room. Hundred eighty musicians play. And then: CREDITS!” This would have been amazing 
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Just gonna crosspost this here from the Cold War thread:
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Nebakenezzer posted:Just gonna crosspost this here from the Cold War thread: lol does the cannon work?
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Nebakenezzer posted:Just gonna crosspost this here from the Cold War thread:  i want twelve
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You're going to stand them in a rank with pikes sticking out of the barrels, aren't you?
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Hey, I'm hopelessly behind on the thread, but plan to catch up. Anyway, can some of y'all linguists translate "Shut the gently caress Up More Often" for me? I've used google translate, but don't really trust it. Ideally in Latin, German, Russian, or Portuguese. I can handle the Mexican Spanish. It'd be highly appreciated to anyone who responds.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Just gonna crosspost this here from the Cold War thread: I remember someone in the GBS China thread talking about a company that makes these kinds of remote control models, supposedly they do really top notch work despite still being noticeably cheaper than their western competitors. You know, if you've got five grand burning a tank shaped hole in your pocket.
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Bulgaroctonus posted:Hey, I'm hopelessly behind on the thread, but plan to catch up. Anyway, can some of y'all linguists translate "Shut the gently caress Up More Often" for me? I've used google translate, but don't really trust it. Ideally in Latin, German, Russian, or Portuguese. I can handle the Mexican Spanish. It'd be highly appreciated to anyone who responds. The direct translation would be "чаще затыкайся" (CHA-she zah-tyh-KAY-sya), but that lacks the edge of the elegant Russian tongue. Is there context?
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Bulgaroctonus posted:Hey, I'm hopelessly behind on the thread, but plan to catch up. Anyway, can some of y'all linguists translate "Shut the gently caress Up More Often" for me? I've used google translate, but don't really trust it. Ideally in Latin, German, Russian, or Portuguese. I can handle the Mexican Spanish. It'd be highly appreciated to anyone who responds. halt maul oefter (umlaut on the o instead of e after it)
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Phanatic posted:You're going to stand them in a rank with pikes sticking out of the barrels, aren't you? Some people say tanks shouldn't have bow MGs any more, and they're right, they should have bow pikes instead.
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Saint Celestine posted:Why yes. They also developed Nuclear Depth Bombs for ASW work. I assume for those moments where you really want to communicate the concept of gently caress you to a sub. They get replaced with nuclear powered torpedo and air drop able bombs with a depth charge option. For the US it was the Mk 101 Lulu which is replaced with the B57 bomb and the Mark 45 torpedo.
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Thomamelas posted:They also developed Nuclear Depth Bombs for ASW work. I assume for those moments where you really want to communicate the concept of gently caress you to a sub. They get replaced with nuclear powered torpedo and air drop able bombs with a depth charge option. For the US it was the Mk 101 Lulu which is replaced with the B57 bomb and the Mark 45 torpedo. The nuclear depth bomb didn't get replaced by those things, it was all supplemental. There were ASROCs with W44 payloads until 1989, long after the Mark 45 had been withdrawn from service.
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OwlFancier posted:Some people say tanks shouldn't have bow MGs any more, and they're right, they should have bow pikes instead. The Abrams has up to 4 machine guns now so I wouldn't be surprised if some general starts clamouring for adding remote operated pike turrets to assist with urban combat. The Russians just stick pikes on the outside of the ERA with a big red button in front of the commander that sets off all the explosive blocks simultaneously.
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HEY GAL posted:strict pacifism sounds cool but rapidly gets loving weird when you draw some things to their logical conclusions Strict pacifism isn't really an objection to war though, it's a moral and political problem with systems and world views that create situations where war is the only option. A lot, and I mean a whole lot, of people would ask me when I was delivering talks on conscientious objectors "what would you do about Hitler?". My response was usually that well, it's 2015 so there's not a lot I can do about him really. But then also explain that the hardcore pacifists in 1939 by and large weren't fascists, or Hitler sympathisers (though some certainly were) by people who objected to the decades, centuries even of political systems that perpetuated and continue to perpetuate, situations where war becomes the solution to X problem. In practice, especially in the late 30s, that did lead people down some weird and occasionally dark places, but it is at heart an aspirational philosophy that suggests that another way of political and economic organisation is not only possible but desirable. It's not at base about "don't resist this dictator" or "we should give up Poland to preserve peace", but about "let's reorganise society so these solutions do not have to be proposed". Then again it is a revolutionary, utopian philosophy, and I can't ascribe to it wholeheartedly. On a personal level I would describe my own stance as pacifism-lite, or an "always wrong except against fascism" pacifism, one that was shared by huge numbers of ww1 COs when the Second World War rolled around. Regret the situation that led to this - and work hard to avoid it next time, but for now... Of course that in itself is not a logically consistent position, because it's all war is bad except the war that I think is not bad, but the only internally consistent standpoints on war are "it's good, do anything and everything to win" and "killing people is wrong". Other standpoints may be held, but all are fraught with internal contradictions.
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:RMS Queen Mary rammed and cut in half an escorting light cruiser. Bringing this back up from a couple of pages back but I've got a family interest so couldn't let it lie. The escorting cruiser was HMS Curacoa, my grandfather was a telegraphist aboard her and one of the survivors (338 were lost from a complement of 439). It being wartime the Queen Mary couldn't stop to pick up survivors so he and the other survivors trod water for a few hours until he was rescued. He died in 1997 but was interviewed for a documentary where he described how "gradually the numbers in the water got less and less... there was no panic, if people had had enough they just threw their arms in the air and went under". He also described seeing what he thought was a football floating in the water and then realised it was a severed head. He served on the Atlantic and Arctic convoys and after the war he was in contact with a u-boat veterans organisation, I turned up some correspondence he'd had with one German guy where he referred to an incident his ship (I think it was the delightfully named Flower-class corvette HMS Pink) had run over a uboat, believed they'd sunk it but it had actually survived and he was trying to track down any survivors. I've been meaning to digitise the correspondence.
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