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Mederlock posted:This movement (well the string quartet version, I haven't yet pulled up this version, planning to) is seriously one of the most profound pieces of music I've ever listened to. It's the kind of music that transfixes you and alternates from heart-aching anguish to soul-mending serenity, and back all over the emotional spectrum again. This is my favourite recording of it, by the Guarneri Quartet. This set contains all of Beethoven's quartets and it is fantastic all the way through, but Thanks for the rec. The set I've owed for the past twelve years is one I bought from a Tower records a year before they closed (tears)...I think performed by some group named the Medici Quartet. That set also contained a recording of LvB's opus 29, which is a String Quintet that's on par with the Razumovsky quartets IMO. I'll keep your set in mind for my next tour of these works. By the way, that Terje Tonnesen recording is not the traditional string orchestra transcription (where basically all the instruments are multiplied) but more an orchestration of the music. In general the transcriptions of these works lacks the immediacy of the traditional quartet experience to be sure but they're a fun alternative, especially this one which is my favorite (even Bernstein did a recording of these works.) XBenedict posted:This is pretty glorious. If you ever have the time check out this awesome lecture on the middle movement of the opus 132...it made me appreciate the work all the more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c-R544gF8s
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Beethoven had God like productivity from 1802 to about 1812, and after that year his productivity dropped off like crazy and he basically didn't compose much in the next seven years. I recently learned that In 1814 he attempted to compose a 6th piano concerto and made considerable progress into the first movement but then abandoned the work. He partially orchestrated the first movement. It's catalog number is Hess 15. I think it's neat and of value, though it sounds a bit more old-fashioned and less romantic than the preceding two piano concertos (the G major is my favorite.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR0EDgXlwYo (I could gush about LvB all day, I even have an account on the Beethoven reference forum, and recently read that wonderful biography by Jan Swafford (which is as comprehensive as it gets...for more concise treatment I recommend the one by Lewis Lockwood.) objects in mirror fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Jul 16, 2016 |
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objects in mirror posted:Beethoven had God like productivity from 1802 to about 1812, and after that year his productivity dropped off like crazy and he basically didn't compose much in the next seven years. I recently learned that In 1814 he attempted to compose a 6th piano concerto and made considerable progress into the first movement but then abandoned the work. He partially orchestrated the first movement. It's catalog number is Hess 15. I think it's neat and of value, though it sounds a bit more old-fashioned and less romantic than the preceding two piano concertos (the G major is my favorite.)
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My only set for the LvB piano concerti has been Vladimir Ashkanazy performing with and conducting the Cleveland Orchestra. I've always felt I needed another one.
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objects in mirror posted:My only set for the LvB piano concerti has been Vladimir Ashkanazy performing with and conducting the Cleveland Orchestra. I've always felt I needed another one. The Wilhelm Kempff/Ferdinand Leitner series on DG is pretty special. Kempff does play with a fair degree of rubato and used his own cadenzas for Concerti 1-4 which may not be to your taste.
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Brahms: The Four Symphonies Wiener Philharmoniker conducted by Barbirolli. Hugely romantic interpretations, charming and delicate throughout.
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oncearoundaltair posted:Brahms: The Four Symphonies Have u heard the Leipzig Gewandhaus conducted by Chially? It's a relatively new set that won a bunch of awards in like classical music magazines and poo poo like that; I thought they were really good, but i'm not really a Brahmsian dude. How do they compare, if u know?
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david crosby posted:Have u heard the Leipzig Gewandhaus conducted by Chially? It's a relatively new set that won a bunch of awards in like classical music magazines and poo poo like that; I thought they were really good, but i'm not really a Brahmsian dude. How do they compare, if u know? Sorry, I haven't heard those. They're on my list, but I'm not buying anymore Brahms cycles for a while. Was there anything in particular about them you liked?
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I'm a diehard fan of the cycle conducted by Kurt Sanderling with the Staatskapelle Dresden. https://open.spotify.com/album/3CZ8EhRE4YI2N9EfOtWLZ0 It's pretty nuts. I'll check out that one though
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oncearoundaltair posted:Sorry, I haven't heard those. They're on my list, but I'm not buying anymore Brahms cycles for a while. The only other cycle I've heard is Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra from like the early 70s, and I thought that set was pretty boring. I guess Chially is more exciting and dynamic? Idk, it's been a while since I've listened to those Ormandy performances, maybe I'm just a better listener now. When I was new to Classical music I thought Brahms was pretty boring, defo the most boring of the major composers, but I uh don't think that now...
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Mederlock posted:I'm a diehard fan of the cycle conducted by Kurt Sanderling with the Staatskapelle Dresden. https://open.spotify.com/album/3CZ8EhRE4YI2N9EfOtWLZ0 Yeah, I have that one and I enjoy it. I like the tempos (especially of the Andante Moderato in the 4th) because it's almost as if he's letting the music find its own way. It's a really consistently vivid and solid set. For what it's worth, the cycle I listen to most nowadays is Abbado with the Berlin Phil. david crosby posted:The only other cycle I've heard is Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra from like the early 70s, and I thought that set was pretty boring. I guess Chially is more exciting and dynamic? Idk, it's been a while since I've listened to those Ormandy performances, maybe I'm just a better listener now. When I was new to Classical music I thought Brahms was pretty boring, defo the most boring of the major composers, but I uh don't think that now... Same here with the 'boring' thing. I listened to (and still do) a lot of Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Bartok etc but my girlfriend at the time kept saying to me 'You'll like Brahms'. So I listened and it sounded all just layers and layers of carefully constructed stuff. She played me the Bernstein/Zimerman Piano Concerto (the D minor) and it just made things worse. Then she sneaked a CD into the player - again the D minor - Curzon/Szell this time, and I finally got it. Now, Brahms is probably my favourite. But it needs to be lively, vigorous, interpretations or I'm not usually interested much.
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david crosby posted:When I was new to Classical music I thought Brahms was pretty boring, defo the most boring of the major composers, but I uh don't think that now... ...whew. Maybe it would help if you thought of Brahms as perhaps the original proto-goon, except he created something wonderful? Listening the the Chailly version now. Very dynamic. Hello thread.
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Mr. Mambold posted:...whew. That would make it way, way worse?
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Chalk me up as another person who finds Brahms a little boring. Everything is just so golden-warm and sleepy. One thing I've liked was the Schönberg orchestration of the piano quartet (or quintet? I forget).
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Mahler posted:Chalk me up as another person who finds Brahms a little boring. Everything is just so golden-warm and sleepy. The sturm und drang in his symphonies is cosmic, so yeah, maybe it seems a bit slow moving. Jesus Christ his melodies are so drat delicious.
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I know it's a common argument but Brahms is fantastic because you get the best of both worlds, the technicalities of Baroque and Classical music, with the passion of Romantic music. Also he wrote a requiem and you should listen to it.
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krampster2 posted:I know it's a common argument but Brahms is fantastic because you get the best of both worlds, the technicalities of Baroque and Classical music, with the passion of Romantic music. It was the only thing I could listen to during 9-11.
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Mr. Mambold posted:It was the only thing I could listen to during 9-11. that was awfully prescient of you, to have it on as the attacks were happening.
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I recorded a version of Nacht und Traume by Schubert today. It came out ok except that my German pronunciation is laughable. e: I'm wondering now if the ritardandos I did in the beginning of the song actually just sound like bad piano playing. I was trying to play like this but i didn't really pull it off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnK7tPTwHE AARO fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Oct 7, 2016 |
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Spotify just put up an album called Steve Reich - Duet. The track Duet for two Solo Violins and String Orchestra is simply amazing! Really caught me off guard.
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AARO posted:I recorded a version of Nacht und Traume by Schubert today. Commendable. I think Schubert would have appreciated the slight reverb. Hell, he would have loved all the effects he could have played with.
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Can anyone with Spotify point me to a good Brahms album or playlist so I can comb through the guy's work? Recent Brahms chat got me interested, and all I've heard is Violin Concerto in D, Op.77 3. Allegro giocoso, ma non troppo vivace - Poco piu presto performed by Anne-Sophie Mutter. I also love Franz Schubert's String Quintet In C, D.956: 2. Adagio performed by the Emerson String Quartet and Rostropovich, with the play of the higher strings being underscored by soft bass plucking. Where should I go if I love that sound? More Schubert? Or someone else?
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Franchescanado posted:Can anyone with Spotify point me to a good Brahms album or playlist so I can comb through the guy's work? Recent Brahms chat got me interested, and all I've heard is Violin Concerto in D, Op.77 3. Allegro giocoso, ma non troppo vivace - Poco piu presto performed by Anne-Sophie Mutter. I don't have spotify, but if you'll permit I can make a few suggestions. First, listen to the entirety of both of those pieces. They're good! The Schubert in particular is one of the finest works yet written. For moar Brahms, check out his symphonies. BBC music magazine did a survey of like 100 composers recently where they asked for their top 3 symphonies, and made a "Top 20 Symphonies of all Time" list with the poll results. It's an incredibly stupid way to figure out what the 20 best symphonies of all time are, maybe also it's stupid to try to rank symphonies like they're Eagles albums, but uh hey, guess what, all four of Brahms's symphonies made the cut. In response to your Q about Schubert, It's like oddly specific, I'm sure that you can find high strings set against pizzicato bass lots in the literature, so I'll just say listen to late Schubert, especially, since you seem to like the part of the Quintet you've heard, the last 3 string quartets.
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Here's a fantastic cycle of the four symphonies with the Tragic Overture and Variations on a Theme of Haydn, all of which are good starting places for his symphonic work. https://open.spotify.com/album/3CZ8EhRE4YI2N9EfOtWLZ0
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david crosby posted:I don't have spotify, but if you'll permit I can make a few suggestions. First, listen to the entirety of both of those pieces. They're good! The Schubert in particular is one of the finest works yet written. Thanks for this! I listened to the rest of Schubert's string quintet, and it was great. I haven't looked up that article yet, but I will. Mederlock posted:Here's a fantastic cycle of the four symphonies with the Tragic Overture and Variations on a Theme of Haydn, all of which are good starting places for his symphonic work. Thanks! I followed the link, and it will only let me play the works from Symphony 4 and Variations on a Theme of Haydn from that, but I added what I could to listen to.
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Franchescanado posted:Can anyone with Spotify point me to a good Brahms album or playlist so I can comb through the guy's work? Recent Brahms chat got me interested, and all I've heard is Violin Concerto in D, Op.77 3. Allegro giocoso, ma non troppo vivace - Poco piu presto performed by Anne-Sophie Mutter. Piano Quartet op.25 with Perahia and the Amadeus https://open.spotify.com/album/731uljqpdEptJFOLB9aOAY I like these interpretations of the clarinet sonatas by Leister and Oppitz - talk about 'autumnal'... https://open.spotify.com/album/0JlBbRISKJx6rPGMnQXmmZ The piano trios with Suk, Katchen and Starker https://open.spotify.com/album/6YAMg17rLUUtWcCYaxsUqg Oistrakh for the violin concerto with the French orchestra https://open.spotify.com/album/4C9i3iRcMl60QYbhkgI578 Serkin playing the intermezzo 1 op. 119 https://open.spotify.com/track/5nUg0ucyQICVAqemld7QHx Pollini recorded the d minor piano concerto three times and I believe the third one is the one to go for https://open.spotify.com/album/0bfzDeK87oR6LC1zy7cQIx Also, the suggestion a few posts above for the Sanderling cycle of the symphonies was a good one, pity it won't play. Maybe try the Abbado VPO instead? https://open.spotify.com/album/1zbPlcwAv8yy4OJN0GdOw5
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Nic Cage dick cage posted:Piano Quartet op.25 with Perahia and the Amadeus https://open.spotify.com/album/731uljqpdEptJFOLB9aOAY This is wonderful, and I really appreciate you taking the time to find and post these.
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I hope you find something you like. It took me a long, long time to appreciate Brahms, but the reward has been wonderful.
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Franchescanado posted:This is wonderful, and I really appreciate you taking the time to find and post these. Be sure to check out his 3 Violin Sonatas. They are my favorite of his works: https://open.spotify.com/album/7etZIPm1cV4m4C062kJsGr
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 Borodin Qtet #2 in D, Janacek Kreutzer (not beethoven) Beethoven Qtet in Cmaj Op 59
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I think I just bought the coolest T-shirt.  Expect me at your local classical music meetup soon looking smug.
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Is anyone else using the Grammofy app? It's an interesting take on classical streaming.
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XBenedict posted:Is anyone else using the Grammofy app? It's an interesting take on classical streaming. Never heard of it. $7 seems steep for a classical-only streaming service, but it's curated playlists and information on pieces sounds fun. There's a free 30 day trial that doesn't need a credit card. I'd be down to try it if it worked on Android.
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C-Euro posted:Orchestra update: Not only do they want to play all of Beethoven 5, they want me on Horn 1 Orchestra update: God drat I forgot how much fun I have doing this stuff. We added Marriage of Figaro and Barber of Seville to our rep, which are fun enough. Though on Seville, I have to transpose in E, then switch to G, then go back to E. Rossini you prick  Funny that we're doing both Rossini and Beethoven in the same concert, as Beethoven supposedly hated the gently caress out of Rossini and thought he was a musical hack.
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Beethoven died too young.  He died at 56 after 8 years of a brilliant creative peak where he produced music meant to be as impacting, personal, and striking as possible -- the last 5 sonatas, 5 string quartets, 9th symphony, Missa Solemnis, Diabelli Variations (which I don't adore...yet.) I've been obsessed with these works for the past few years and listening to them is at the very height of my cumulative experiences of the arts. I've been so obsessed with Beethoven that for the past few months I've been geeking out about my stumbling upon his unfinished piano concerto that he started composing well past the composition of the 5th piano concerto, and which he abandoned after significant orchestration of a 1st movement well into the middle of the exposition (and I guess after that he only had sketches.) But there's enough meat in that movement for an orchestral performance, and that he would abandon this is a testament to his perfectionism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR0EDgXlwYo Another interesting bit: Beethoven had fragments of sketches for a 10th symphony, and a musicologist (Barry Cooper) assembled them into a performable 1st movement. It's generally agreed that this hypothetical work doesn't sound like Beethoven, but there's a moment in that movement that does and is absurdly tantalizing. This timestamped moment and the following 90 seconds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKoE1f7evDA&t=283s That sounds like him. What could have been! Aging Millenial fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Aging Millenial posted:Beethoven died too young. The feeling I get when listening to late Beethoven is something I've been chasing for years. I've only found a few pieces that hit on that extraordinary level. Late Beethoven, for me, is the absolute best sustained artistic achievement in any medium in history. Here are a few pieces that are similarly profound: Schubert - Piano Sonata in B flat maj. This is some good-rear end poo poo, although Brendel doesn't take the repeat in the first movement like he should. Late Schubert is almost as good as late Beethoven. Bruckner - Symphony No. 7 Bach - Saint Matthew Passion Ponce - Sonata Romantica This sonata is written as an homage to Schubert. the last movement is 
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Hilary Hahn is SIGNING CDS IN THE INTERMESSION!!! Gonna see the Mendelsohn concerto which imo she is one of the best at.
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david crosby posted:I don't have spotify, but if you'll permit I can make a few suggestions. First, listen to the entirety of both of those pieces. They're good! The Schubert in particular is one of the finest works yet written. Found a reddit discussion of this list with the contents: https://www.reddit.com/r/classicalmusic/comments/4xpiyb/bbc_music_magazines_massive_survey_of_150/ I'm surprised Mahler6 placed as "poorly" as it did. Maybe after 50 some odd performances the whole "story" behind it gets old.
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