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Apple products have always been very very good at doing whatever was in the pitch deck for Steve. If you want to do something that conflicts with the product vision, well, you shouldn't want that, citizen.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, for birthday cards for your mom or to make a poster about dinosaurs, but for word processing, not really. A lot of children these days were using touch screens and tablets and phones from before they could SPEAK, ipads are the natural neutral format to them, printed paper is the weird thing to work on. Google docs/pages/whatever is the thing they've always used and the prefered thing, printing stuff out to write on it to type it back in is the weird far out thing to them. It's like grandpas that have to print all their email to read it. You are seriously making an argument that writing is obsolete. Jesus christ gently caress off with this pretentious bullshit. You have absorbed too many Apple advertisements.
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Oct 14, 2016 05:33
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Liquid Communism posted:You are seriously making an argument that writing is obsolete. nah printing is like 99% bullshit in the first world have you ever gotten mail?
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Oct 14, 2016 05:36
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Subjunctive posted:Any printer you want to use works great out of the box. If you are the printer vendor and you can't make it work with a Mac, the problem is not with the Mac. Most enterprises use Windows systems exclusively and therefore most high-end business printers are not made to be compatible with OS X or Unix OS's in general as they are very uncommon within the office workplace. It's not a matter of either being better.
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Oct 14, 2016 05:38
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MiddleOne posted:Most enterprises use Windows systems exclusively and therefore most high-end business printers are not made to be compatible with OS X Which high-end business printers are you referring to?
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Oct 14, 2016 05:50
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Subjunctive posted:Which high-end business printers are you referring to? The 2m^3 monstrosities made 5-10 years ago that you'll find in the office workplaces of organizations from 10 to 10 000 employees. I'd give you a name but I can't remember, they have been in literally every workplace I've ever worked in and visited whether private or public. They generally don't play well with UNIX systems whether OS X or Ubuntu.
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Oct 14, 2016 06:12
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, for birthday cards for your mom or to make a poster about dinosaurs, but for word processing, not really. A lot of children these days were using touch screens and tablets and phones from before they could SPEAK, ipads are the natural neutral format to them, printed paper is the weird thing to work on. Google docs/pages/whatever is the thing they've always used and the prefered thing, printing stuff out to write on it to type it back in is the weird far out thing to them. It's like grandpas that have to print all their email to read it. Dont do the "digital natives" dance, that makes you look silly. Humanities students at the largest university in the netherlands PRINT a literal metric ton of paper and plenty of kids still dont have access to a proper wordprocessing suite.
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Oct 14, 2016 06:36
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I mean, for birthday cards for your mom or to make a poster about dinosaurs, but for word processing, not really. A lot of children these days were using touch screens and tablets and phones from before they could SPEAK, ipads are the natural neutral format to them, printed paper is the weird thing to work on. Google docs/pages/whatever is the thing they've always used and the prefered thing, printing stuff out to write on it to type it back in is the weird far out thing to them. It's like grandpas that have to print all their email to read it.
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Oct 14, 2016 06:39
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For the record, track changes sucks and will always be inferior to a pen and paper, particularly when you have more than one person reviewing it.
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Oct 14, 2016 06:42
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Reading long texts or, god help you, entire books from a screen is something Satan would make you do as it's the worst. Also writing notes on paper is way faster and easier than using google doc or whatever terrible thing Silicon Valley comes up with. The first profs over here are starting to ban laptops and tablets in their classrooms because they realized they weren't helping at all. Writing however is cool and good and teaches you skills like summarization and learning to recognize what the main points of a talk are and the act of writing helps with memorizing. There is of course room for pcs and tablets as they are extremely useful and I'm not at all suggesting we go back to doing accountancy in books or so. However tablets aren't some kind of miracle thing that can replace pen and paper 100%.
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Oct 14, 2016 07:06
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writing is cool, typing is cool gently caress printing
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Oct 14, 2016 07:08
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NewForumSoftware posted:nah printing is like 99% bullshit in the first world Have you ever been more than 5' from a power outlet for 12 hours? Grow up.
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Oct 14, 2016 07:13
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9-Volt Assault posted:The first profs over here are starting to ban laptops and tablets in their classrooms because they realized they weren't helping at all. . That was just one guy who was a bit of a crank and was offended that his teaching habits were in need of a good review after doing the same thing for 20 years.
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Oct 14, 2016 07:15
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Liquid Communism posted:Have you ever been more than 5' from a power outlet for 12 hours? there's these cool things called pens you can make marks on paper with
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Oct 14, 2016 07:24
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Maybe America is different, but even in a nominally paperless office here in Germany we still use lot of paper both for ease of use and having copies that can be signed off and reviewed without having to bother with digital signatory and archiving standards.
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Oct 14, 2016 07:38
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From what I understand just about everything works better in Germany so it doesn't surprise me you have functioning printers. Maybe if we got Bernie.
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Oct 14, 2016 07:41
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IndustrialApe posted:That was just one guy who was a bit of a crank and was offended that his teaching habits were in need of a good review after doing the same thing for 20 years. Nope, my sister is doing her Msc now in Rotterdam and she had a prof telling them to close their laptops and not bring them again next time, and a friend of hers also had one in Groningen. So its spreading.
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Oct 14, 2016 08:03
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Google Director of Engineering (DannyBee) explains why a director-level candidate fails eng101 interview screen for giving post-eng101 answers.
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Oct 14, 2016 09:27
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Paul MaudDib posted:Google Director of Engineering (DannyBee) explains why a director-level candidate fails eng101 interview screen for giving post-eng101 answers. Urgh. Google has driven this whole obsession with interview styles that forgets the most basic point that interviews are two-way streets. When you ask bullshit questions to make the interviewer feel smarter, you are communicating to the candidate what the work culture is like at your business, and scaring off the ones who've worked in the industry for more than five minutes.
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Oct 14, 2016 11:54
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Liquid Communism posted:You are seriously making an argument that writing is obsolete. I am seriously making the argument that there is no 3rd grader that wants to print out their 3rd grade story about their favorite dog so they can get out a pen to make some quick edits. That is absolutely a thing you'd need to force a kid to do and they would see as silly as heck.
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Oct 14, 2016 12:00
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I am seriously making the argument that there is no 3rd grader that wants to print out their 3rd grade story about their favorite dog so they can get out a pen to make some quick edits. That is absolutely a thing you'd need to force a kid to do and they would see as silly as heck. The goal of assigning a third grader to edit their story isn't, oddly enough, to produce a perfect page of copy. It's to make them show their work, so the teacher can evaluate how well they are understanding the process as opposed to following what Office's spelling/grammar checker suggests today.
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Oct 14, 2016 12:23
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Liquid Communism posted:The goal of assigning a third grader to edit their story isn't, oddly enough, to produce a perfect page of copy. It's to make them show their work, so the teacher can evaluate how well they are understanding the process as opposed to following what Office's spelling/grammar checker suggests today. Okay? And? Google Docs has an absurdly excellent edit log that a teacher can scrub through minute to minute with highlighting and drill down and color coding and every feature a teacher could ever want to look at exactly how a document was written and what was changed how and when.
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Oct 14, 2016 13:53
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Not to mention that teacher have used the same functionality in Word for over a decade. How old are most of you?
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Oct 14, 2016 14:05
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9-Volt Assault posted:Nope, my sister is doing her Msc now in Rotterdam and she had a prof telling them to close their laptops and not bring them again next time, and a friend of hers also had one in Groningen. So its spreading. I'm pretty sure one of those guys is the crank I was talking about, I wouldn't call that spreading.
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Oct 14, 2016 14:11
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I switched from taking notes on my laptop to doing it by hand after my first semester, as i found it quicker and more flexible. Weirdest thing is that I still see a lot of people going to non-obligatory classes, bringing laptops, and just use them to browse the web instead of actually paying attention to the prof. This is not a dig at the technology itself, just a observation about human behaviour.
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Oct 14, 2016 14:18
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what in the gently caress is this job postingquote:
Yeesh. There's no possible way everyone at that company isn't incredibly insufferable.
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Oct 14, 2016 14:35
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Nosfereefer posted:Weirdest thing is that I still see a lot of people going to non-obligatory classes, bringing laptops, and just use them to browse the web instead of actually paying attention to the prof. This is not a dig at the technology itself, just a observation about human behaviour. That isn't weird, lots of people are engaged at some points and not others. They are there so they can drift in and out at the points they feel are valuable. They may or may not have good judgement on that, but they realize that it's better to be there and listen to what they think of as the vital parts rather than just skip entirely and assume nothing will be said ever.
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Oct 14, 2016 14:35
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peter banana posted:what in the gently caress is this job posting This has got to be an elaborate prank by Silicon Valley that just went too far. I can't handle the alternative
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Oct 14, 2016 14:46
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I checked out the original https://acuityscheduling.com/articles/human-needed and the part I was most confused by makes more sense now because it's crossed out Do you like long walks on the beach? Hey, check out my muscles! but still, yeah, while I don't like the "try-hard" label much I don't know what else to call that.
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Oct 14, 2016 15:28
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I am seriously making the argument that there is no 3rd grader that wants to print out their 3rd grade story about their favorite dog so they can get out a pen to make some quick edits. That is absolutely a thing you'd need to force a kid to do and they would see as silly as heck. The joke of course is that iPads are being superseded in education by cheaper, more flexible chromebooks and apple probably doesn't know what the gently caress to do. Chromebooks, interestingly, that can print.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:43
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cheese posted:The joke of course is that iPads are being superseded in education by cheaper, more flexible chromebooks and apple probably doesn't know what the gently caress to do. Chromebooks, interestingly, that can print.
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Oct 14, 2016 16:47
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It's pretty easy to print from iPads to a networked printer, just email the document to the printer. My ancient HP laser has a dedicated, secret email address and it works really well.Arsenic Lupin posted:You can't install print drivers on your Chromebook (duh) so being able to print depends on being able to make your printer support Google Cloud Print, which requires a fairly modern printer. For my older printer (such as many classrooms have), even though it was wireless, I had to connect it by a physical cable to a desktop, then install Google Cloud Print on the desktop. This isn't true either, you can connect an older printer to a computer and the computer will receive the print job and pass it to the local printer. https://tools.google.com/dlpage/cloudprintservice call to action fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Oct 14, 2016 |
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Oct 14, 2016 16:49
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cheese posted:The joke of course is that iPads are being superseded in education by cheaper, more flexible chromebooks and apple probably doesn't know what the gently caress to do. Chromebooks, interestingly, that can print. There are more printers that support air print than support google cloud print, what are you talking about?
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Oct 14, 2016 17:15
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And literally any printer that connects via USB can be a Cloud Print printer if you've got an old computer you're willing to leave switched on.
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Oct 14, 2016 17:26
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call to action posted:And literally any printer that connects via USB can be a Cloud Print printer if you've got an old computer you're willing to leave switched on. The same is true for printing from ipads!
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PS. I'm at a conference about technology in primary education reading somethingawful forums and arguing about technology in primary education on my laptop instead of listening to the guy talk.
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Oct 14, 2016 17:53
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call to action posted:And literally any printer that connects via USB can be a Cloud Print printer if you've got an old computer you're willing to leave switched on. call to action posted:This isn't true either, you can connect an older printer to a computer and the computer will receive the print job and pass it to the local printer. https://tools.google.com/dlpage/cloudprintservice
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:There are more printers that support air print than support google cloud print, what are you talking about?
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Oct 14, 2016 18:48
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That isn't weird, lots of people are engaged at some points and not others. They are there so they can drift in and out at the points they feel are valuable. They may or may not have good judgement on that, but they realize that it's better to be there and listen to what they think of as the vital parts rather than just skip entirely and assume nothing will be said ever. I teach at a university level and, no, that's not the logic the students follow (or the logic that I follow when I dick around on my phone). You feel that you have to be there, but then.. Ooooh, shiny. Students can't decide what's vital and what isn't, since they are not familiar with the topics to begin with. If they were, they wouldn't be students.
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cheese posted:I'm not an IT guy, but our districts IT guys made a big deal about being able to use the chromebooks to easily print to any printer in our school. Either way, the chromebooks absolutely torch the iPads for in classroom use - I'm not aware of any local districts actively investing in them anymore. If you have the right printer it's a 2 click process to set up the printer and add it to 10,000 chromebooks if you want. If you haven't bought those printers it's a whole rigamarole, but the same is true of ipads, if you have a printer that does airprint then there is zero steps to print to one, if you don't good luck.
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