EVE Online 2017: We are the Alphas, the Omegas and the Gankers.

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Numismancer: Sep 15, 2004; by sebmojo

facultas posted:

Since it's been cleared and I think it fits within the rules, the story of how a love triangle brought down a coalition.

I'm guessing that most of the people in this thread are at least casual EVE observers, and so are familiar with the lead up to the casino war thing involving Eep, the guy who runs IWI, and SpaceMonkey's Alliance. The basic public story was that SMA infiltrated IWI to out it as an RMT operation, and that Eep got made and declared a vendetta to kill SMA. While that's kinda true, it's nowhere near the whole stupid tale that I've been able to reconstruct.

Back when IWI was first spinning up, Eep wasn't the only guy helping to code it. There was another guy, not sure on his in game name and no reason to give his real one, who also was helping him code it. From what I gathered, he was either the husband or boyfriend of one of SMA's diplomatic directors, Widget Zombie. He didn't play EVE, but she did. As near as I could tell, she steadily rose up through SMA's leadership structure by playing up the "giggle I'm a girl" act endlessly. There were numerous odd exchanges between her and our people, including several super weird ones where she hit on Digi to try to get CI favors.

Unlike Widget, her man had long ago quit EVE and didn't really have a stake in things. He was just working for Eep for fun I guess, not really sure why they linked up in the first place. But at some point early on, he brought in Widget to do IWI stuff too, and the presumably the couple had a merry time banking, coding, rolling in isk, and otherwise being looped into the dev and day to day of IWI. During this process, Widget did her usual "giggle I'm a girl on the internet" flirting thing with Eep--who I'm told is a handsome fellow--and this is where it gets messy. As for Widget, I met her briefly in EVE Vegas, she seemed friendly, happy, and is on the big side. I'm not saying that in a judgmental way, I don't care what people look like, but because it's important later on in this.

Eep got sucked into it, and is I guess a swinger of sorts, so he agreed to meet up with Widget and her guy at their home for sexy funtimes. Except when he got there, instead of sexy funtimes, he walked into a mess. As in a literal mess, stuff everywhere. So instead of sexy funtimes, he set to cleaning the place up. No idea why, maybe he thought it would help, maybe he felt it was awkward, couldn't say. At some point the awkwardness level or whatever it was became such that he eventually left, having traveled who knows how far, with no funtimes had.

That would probably be the end of it except that Widget was livid about the whole ordeal. The combination of the rejection and perhaps the embarrassment of the guy she invited over for a threesome moonwalking out after doing a bit of cleaning set her off. She took it personally, blamed Eep for not finding her attractive enough (through presumably they'd shared pictures, so this seems unlikely) and set about soothing her fury by getting revenge. Revenge for being snubbed, not for his cleaning job, probably.

Her husband/boyfriend/whatever was still coding on Eep's thing, and she had him build in a backdoor to it. Which I'm told is illegal, but I'm not a lawyer. Then she brought in a stack of SMA bankers, and started using the backdoor to siphon away billions of isk to individuals in SMA. Eventually, she straight up robbed Eep. At this point, he kicked her from banking stuff, but Widget's guy was still working on it. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I guess they bonded. So after Widget robbed Eep and they'd both technically defrauded him, Eep started funding people to hit SMA. Initially, it was likely less about pride, and more him just wanting his money back. Why he didn't just ask for it from the guy coding his stuff, I don't know. Best guess is Widget was playing them both.

It's unclear at what point SMA leadership as a whole learned of this, or how much they ever knew. Sidebar on this is that the three brothers who had been running SMA and who are standup dudes had been largely out of game due to family stuff and business stuff. So the vast majority of the day to day stuff was run by an Aussie named Winet, and Widget. Increasingly, they were running the alliance, and for better or worse, the brothers trusted them to do so.

Given all the stuff behind the scenes, it made for a bad situation. Instead of looking into it airlocking Widget immediately, they bought her story about how Eep was wrongfully harassing her, and vowed not to negotiate with terrorists. Then they went to war, either Widget or the SMA guys had the bright idea to infiltrate IWI to prove that it was an RMT operation while staving off the mercenaries hired to kill them. They used the backdoor, the coding loopholes, and generated a pile of data that they sent to CCP, who already had an investigation ongoing with IWI.

Eep knew about this in relatively short order. Not sure how he found out, but he wasn't super happy about it all. The backdoor was closed, the CCP investigation stalled, and suddenly SMA's plan to deal with the Eep issue didn't seem so masterful. SMA leaders were furious, both at CCP and at IWI for slandering their beloved Widget. Widget still refused to back down and talk about what really happened, Eep still wanted his money back from her. He'd also extended his retaliation in general to SMA at this point since they tried to prove IWI was an RMT shop, and said now he was going to destroy them too. It was the same line he'd take post-war with GSF when Mittani talked about IWI enabling underage gambling and being an RMT thing, vowed to destroy GSF for besmirching his good name. Given recent events, heh, well, anyway.

After that whole SMA expose blew up and fizzled out, Eep redoubled his efforts. SMA circled the wagons. Eventually the conflict started spilling out to reddit, then into bigger war stuff, and eventually became the casino war, though I'm of the opinion that threesome gone wrong war is a better name, but I digress. What makes this all the more sad is that, even unto the last, as the coalition was losing it's space, Widget and her guy were in direct contact with Eep. Eep had contacted her regularly, and and one point he let her that he'd stop funding the war, but only if she returned the isk she'd stolen from him. It was a paltry amount, and perhaps it was a scam, but given how the war was going it would have been dumb not to try. She, of course, refused. Alliance and coalition be damned, Eep had wronged her. This mentality is totally alien to me, so I can't even speculate as to why her getting vengeance over a botched threesome was more important than the thousands of people in her own alliance, or the tens of thousands in the coalition. But it was.

Oh, and for reference, all this leadup stuff happened between last summer and last October or so. Long before anyone in GSF knew what an Eep or an IWI was. SMA concealed this stuff from us as well, that there was anything happening, the real scope of it, or why it might be happening. By the time we saw and understood what was really going on, it was far too late. We'd been getting our info on the IWI stuff from SMA initially, and trusted that they were being up front. It wasn't until it became clear that they were trying to snow us to protect Widget and/or that they didn't know themselves and had been suckered by her that we really started digging. By the time we'd figured out what was really going on, we'd already lost the war and no apology, no Widget execution, nothing could stay that headsman's ax. Had SMA been open with us in the beginning, we could have headed the whole thing off easily, and would likely still be burbling along happily in Dek.

So there you have it, the root cause of the war and a great study in the price of revenge and unintended consequences. Widget's desire for revenge brought down a coalition, Eep's desire for revenge drew the public spotlight that contributed to him being banned and gambling being banned from EVE.

For me at least, it's kind of fascinating that Widget Zombie is the real reason this war kicked off, a space Helen of Troy.

This is all true.

Swinger threesome drama gone awry is also one of the tamer 'what really happened' Eve stories, that's the funny thing.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 17:54

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# ? May 14, 2024 22:09

Hexel: Nov 18, 2011

E Equals MC Hammer posted:

Did someone say 20 bucks per billion? Thats absolutely absurd no rmt isk is worth that.

welp, a quick and dirty google search with some napkin math says currently you can get a billion isk on the black market for $10.99 USD

that puts the current market price for a trillion isk at $10,990 USD

for context lenny kravitz2 said he spent about 14 trillion total on the wwb thing which has a black market value of $153,860 USD

makes you wonder how much eep made total off of iwantisk since conception

# ? Oct 14, 2016 17:59

Hexel: Nov 18, 2011

the one thing eep did better than somer was insulating himself first with the two lieutenants 1ronbank and lenny and then dozens of smaller bankers

obfuscation is the foundation of all money laundering

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:06

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Great post sion -- it's crazy that's what this all started over. Funny still is SMA is now dead, IWI is banned and dead, PL is scrambling for a revenue stream and Goons are alive in well in Delve. Of course we persevered -- not a shock to any of the loyal who were paying attention through this all -- but it's still hilarious as so many expected us to fade into nothing. Yet here we are, same as ever, making GBS threads up a thread on SA.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:15

Zakrello: Feb 17, 2015; missile imbound

Daco Vato posted:

Great post sion -- it's crazy that's what this all started over. Funny still is SMA is now dead, IWI is banned and dead, PL is scrambling for a revenue stream and Goons are alive in well in Delve. Of course we persevered -- not a shock to any of the loyal who were paying attention through this all -- but it's still hilarious as so many expected us to fade into nothing. Yet here we are, same as ever, making GBS threads up a thread on SA.

more importantly we are still welping carriers to rats, just in a different region

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:17

luminalflux: May 27, 2005

Zakrello posted:

more importantly we are still welping carriers to rats, just in a different region

all this has happened before, all this will happen again

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:19

nex: Jul 23, 2001; Ã¸Ã¦Ã¥Â¨Ã¦Ã¸Ã¥Ã¸; Grimey Drawer

that was a fascinating read, even if i have no clue whos who in that story

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:22

KodiakRS: Jul 11, 2012

Daco Vato posted:

but it's still hilarious as so many expected us to fade into nothing.

There's a difference between an alliance and a community. Organizations like Goons, test, and PL will keep coming back even if they lose a major war.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:24

1001 Arabian dicks: Sep 16, 2013; EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

i don't think anyone outside of the really dumb pubbies expected GSF to fall apart

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:25

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

1001 Arabian dicks posted:

i don't think anyone outside of the really dumb pubbies expected GSF to fall apart

'really dumb pubbies' is the tails to our heads

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:28

Elusif: Jun 9, 2008

free elusif obv

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:30

facultas: Jan 2, 2004; No design, no conception.

Daco Vato posted:

Great post sion -- it's crazy that's what this all started over. Funny still is SMA is now dead, IWI is banned and dead, PL is scrambling for a revenue stream and Goons are alive in well in Delve. Of course we persevered -- not a shock to any of the loyal who were paying attention through this all -- but it's still hilarious as so many expected us to fade into nothing. Yet here we are, same as ever, making GBS threads up a thread on SA.

Had a couple chats with Gobbins about just this. He was all "GSF is dead, admit defeat, listen to my terms, there's no hope" and I was all "come back to me in a year and we'll talk about this. I don't think this is going to work out like you think it will." They had an internal fanfic about it how it would end despite ample historic evidence to the contrary.

Also like KodiakRS said, it's not as though this is a situation that's unique to GSF. PL has lost their space and lost wars before, NC. has, TEST, BRAVE, etc. Permanently killing off an established alliance is an exceptionally difficult thing to do if that alliance doesn't feel like being killed off.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:43

luminalflux: May 27, 2005

facultas posted:

Permanently killing off an established alliance is an exceptionally difficult thing to do if that alliance doesn't feel like being killed off.

If it's a legitimate headshot attempt, the alliance has ways of shutting that down

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:47

yogizh: Oct 12, 2015; Dumb Helicopter Joke Enthusiast

Daco Vato posted:

Great post sion -- it's crazy that's what this all started over. Funny still is SMA is now dead, IWI is banned and dead, PL is scrambling for a revenue stream and Goons are alive in well in Delve. Of course we persevered -- not a shock to any of the loyal who were paying attention through this all -- but it's still hilarious as so many expected us to fade into nothing. Yet here we are, same as ever, making GBS threads up a thread on SA.

This sweet loving irony keeps me going in Eve. All that sperg about Goons being the evil masons pulling strings all over the game going on for years and years and every loving year we learn how PL so loved by unwashed masses cheats in game, how highsec players steal money from CCP, how the "true hardcore fans" only write their articles to make money, how high ranking AT teams do background deals to get those sweet chunky AT hulls.

gently caress me right. If I could just call out all the clowns that used to blame me for :tinfoil:

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:50

Numismancer: Sep 15, 2004; by sebmojo

Something about how we operate on a different timescale than our enemies goes here, which we said over and over again during the earlier phases of the war, just as we said they'd cannibalize each other and that preserving our supercap fleet was critical regardless of outside howling for content.

Vegas is going to be a blast.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 18:55

yogizh: Oct 12, 2015; Dumb Helicopter Joke Enthusiast

Numismancer posted:

Vegas is going to be a blast.

Don't forget to drink a lot, that much salt could be deadly for your kidneys. :v:

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:00

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

Numismancer posted:

This is all true.

Swinger threesome drama gone awry is also one of the tamer 'what really happened' Eve stories, that's the funny thing.

i thought you were kidding about the threesome drama :stare:

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:05

PookBear: Nov 1, 2008

I loving knew it was going to be zombie widget.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:32

Baculus: Oct 25, 2007; I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER

facultas posted:

Since it's been cleared and I think it fits within the rules, the story of how a love triangle brought down a coalition.

I'm guessing that most of the people in this thread are at least casual EVE observers, and so are familiar with the lead up to the casino war thing involving Eep, the guy who runs IWI, and SpaceMonkey's Alliance. The basic public story was that SMA infiltrated IWI to out it as an RMT operation, and that Eep got made and declared a vendetta to kill SMA. While that's kinda true, it's nowhere near the whole stupid tale that I've been able to reconstruct.

Back when IWI was first spinning up, Eep wasn't the only guy helping to code it. There was another guy, not sure on his in game name and no reason to give his real one, who also was helping him code it. From what I gathered, he was either the husband or boyfriend of one of SMA's diplomatic directors, Widget Zombie. He didn't play EVE, but she did. As near as I could tell, she steadily rose up through SMA's leadership structure by playing up the "giggle I'm a girl" act endlessly. There were numerous odd exchanges between her and our people, including several super weird ones where she hit on Digi to try to get CI favors.

Unlike Widget, her man had long ago quit EVE and didn't really have a stake in things. He was just working for Eep for fun I guess, not really sure why they linked up in the first place. But at some point early on, he brought in Widget to do IWI stuff too, and the presumably the couple had a merry time banking, coding, rolling in isk, and otherwise being looped into the dev and day to day of IWI. During this process, Widget did her usual "giggle I'm a girl on the internet" flirting thing with Eep--who I'm told is a handsome fellow--and this is where it gets messy. As for Widget, I met her briefly in EVE Vegas, she seemed friendly, happy, and is on the big side. I'm not saying that in a judgmental way, I don't care what people look like, but because it's important later on in this.

Eep got sucked into it, and is I guess a swinger of sorts, so he agreed to meet up with Widget and her guy at their home for sexy funtimes. Except when he got there, instead of sexy funtimes, he walked into a mess. As in a literal mess, stuff everywhere. So instead of sexy funtimes, he set to cleaning the place up. No idea why, maybe he thought it would help, maybe he felt it was awkward, couldn't say. At some point the awkwardness level or whatever it was became such that he eventually left, having traveled who knows how far, with no funtimes had.

That would probably be the end of it except that Widget was livid about the whole ordeal. The combination of the rejection and perhaps the embarrassment of the guy she invited over for a threesome moonwalking out after doing a bit of cleaning set her off. She took it personally, blamed Eep for not finding her attractive enough (through presumably they'd shared pictures, so this seems unlikely) and set about soothing her fury by getting revenge. Revenge for being snubbed, not for his cleaning job, probably.

Her husband/boyfriend/whatever was still coding on Eep's thing, and she had him build in a backdoor to it. Which I'm told is illegal, but I'm not a lawyer. Then she brought in a stack of SMA bankers, and started using the backdoor to siphon away billions of isk to individuals in SMA. Eventually, she straight up robbed Eep. At this point, he kicked her from banking stuff, but Widget's guy was still working on it. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I guess they bonded. So after Widget robbed Eep and they'd both technically defrauded him, Eep started funding people to hit SMA. Initially, it was likely less about pride, and more him just wanting his money back. Why he didn't just ask for it from the guy coding his stuff, I don't know. Best guess is Widget was playing them both.

It's unclear at what point SMA leadership as a whole learned of this, or how much they ever knew. Sidebar on this is that the three brothers who had been running SMA and who are standup dudes had been largely out of game due to family stuff and business stuff. So the vast majority of the day to day stuff was run by an Aussie named Winet, and Widget. Increasingly, they were running the alliance, and for better or worse, the brothers trusted them to do so.

Given all the stuff behind the scenes, it made for a bad situation. Instead of looking into it airlocking Widget immediately, they bought her story about how Eep was wrongfully harassing her, and vowed not to negotiate with terrorists. Then they went to war, either Widget or the SMA guys had the bright idea to infiltrate IWI to prove that it was an RMT operation while staving off the mercenaries hired to kill them. They used the backdoor, the coding loopholes, and generated a pile of data that they sent to CCP, who already had an investigation ongoing with IWI.

Eep knew about this in relatively short order. Not sure how he found out, but he wasn't super happy about it all. The backdoor was closed, the CCP investigation stalled, and suddenly SMA's plan to deal with the Eep issue didn't seem so masterful. SMA leaders were furious, both at CCP and at IWI for slandering their beloved Widget. Widget still refused to back down and talk about what really happened, Eep still wanted his money back from her. He'd also extended his retaliation in general to SMA at this point since they tried to prove IWI was an RMT shop, and said now he was going to destroy them too. It was the same line he'd take post-war with GSF when Mittani talked about IWI enabling underage gambling and being an RMT thing, vowed to destroy GSF for besmirching his good name. Given recent events, heh, well, anyway.

After that whole SMA expose blew up and fizzled out, Eep redoubled his efforts. SMA circled the wagons. Eventually the conflict started spilling out to reddit, then into bigger war stuff, and eventually became the casino war, though I'm of the opinion that threesome gone wrong war is a better name, but I digress. What makes this all the more sad is that, even unto the last, as the coalition was losing it's space, Widget and her guy were in direct contact with Eep. Eep had contacted her regularly, and and one point he let her that he'd stop funding the war, but only if she returned the isk she'd stolen from him. It was a paltry amount, and perhaps it was a scam, but given how the war was going it would have been dumb not to try. She, of course, refused. Alliance and coalition be damned, Eep had wronged her. This mentality is totally alien to me, so I can't even speculate as to why her getting vengeance over a botched threesome was more important than the thousands of people in her own alliance, or the tens of thousands in the coalition. But it was.

Oh, and for reference, all this leadup stuff happened between last summer and last October or so. Long before anyone in GSF knew what an Eep or an IWI was. SMA concealed this stuff from us as well, that there was anything happening, the real scope of it, or why it might be happening. By the time we saw and understood what was really going on, it was far too late. We'd been getting our info on the IWI stuff from SMA initially, and trusted that they were being up front. It wasn't until it became clear that they were trying to snow us to protect Widget and/or that they didn't know themselves and had been suckered by her that we really started digging. By the time we'd figured out what was really going on, we'd already lost the war and no apology, no Widget execution, nothing could stay that headsman's ax. Had SMA been open with us in the beginning, we could have headed the whole thing off easily, and would likely still be burbling along happily in Dek.

So there you have it, the root cause of the war and a great study in the price of revenge and unintended consequences. Widget's desire for revenge brought down a coalition, Eep's desire for revenge drew the public spotlight that contributed to him being banned and gambling being banned from EVE.

For me at least, it's kind of fascinating that Widget Zombie is the real reason this war kicked off, a space Helen of Troy.

This is weird because I know Eep is married - and he would have been married while this all was happening. I somehow assumed it was some SMA shitbag messing with Eep's wife.

But I also know that where Eep is from there's a super active swinging community (because it was the only thing there to do, other than drugs).

More food for thought, I suppose.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:33

working mom: Jul 8, 2015

Jesus christ, what a way to start a war

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:37

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It's still kind of gross when we're all like "oh someone's genitals were involved. Figures." Reminds me of some of the drama I had to deal with in IMVU -- it always is borne of who's-loving-who-and-who's-getting-fat. Kind of sickening when you're an old coot like me, and sad no matter who you are.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:38

Baculus: Oct 25, 2007; I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER

It's sickening because you have old man balls and flab.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:39

luminalflux: May 27, 2005

tickets to the gunt show posted:

This is weird because I know Eep is married - and he would have been married while this all was happening. I somehow assumed it was some SMA shitbag messing with Eep's wife.

It's 2016, I've long since stopped assuming people of this generation are monogamous.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:40

stale meme dot png: May 5, 2015; College Slice

tickets to the gunt show posted:

It's sickening because you have old man balls and flab.

You have... no idea how true this actually is :smith:

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:44

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

facultas posted:

Since it's been cleared and I think it fits within the rules, the story of how a love triangle brought down a coalition.

I'm guessing that most of the people in this thread are at least casual EVE observers, and so are familiar with the lead up to the casino war thing involving Eep, the guy who runs IWI, and SpaceMonkey's Alliance. The basic public story was that SMA infiltrated IWI to out it as an RMT operation, and that Eep got made and declared a vendetta to kill SMA. While that's kinda true, it's nowhere near the whole stupid tale that I've been able to reconstruct.

Back when IWI was first spinning up, Eep wasn't the only guy helping to code it. There was another guy, not sure on his in game name and no reason to give his real one, who also was helping him code it. From what I gathered, he was either the husband or boyfriend of one of SMA's diplomatic directors, Widget Zombie. He didn't play EVE, but she did. As near as I could tell, she steadily rose up through SMA's leadership structure by playing up the "giggle I'm a girl" act endlessly. There were numerous odd exchanges between her and our people, including several super weird ones where she hit on Digi to try to get CI favors.

Unlike Widget, her man had long ago quit EVE and didn't really have a stake in things. He was just working for Eep for fun I guess, not really sure why they linked up in the first place. But at some point early on, he brought in Widget to do IWI stuff too, and the presumably the couple had a merry time banking, coding, rolling in isk, and otherwise being looped into the dev and day to day of IWI. During this process, Widget did her usual "giggle I'm a girl on the internet" flirting thing with Eep--who I'm told is a handsome fellow--and this is where it gets messy. As for Widget, I met her briefly in EVE Vegas, she seemed friendly, happy, and is on the big side. I'm not saying that in a judgmental way, I don't care what people look like, but because it's important later on in this.

Eep got sucked into it, and is I guess a swinger of sorts, so he agreed to meet up with Widget and her guy at their home for sexy funtimes. Except when he got there, instead of sexy funtimes, he walked into a mess. As in a literal mess, stuff everywhere. So instead of sexy funtimes, he set to cleaning the place up. No idea why, maybe he thought it would help, maybe he felt it was awkward, couldn't say. At some point the awkwardness level or whatever it was became such that he eventually left, having traveled who knows how far, with no funtimes had.

That would probably be the end of it except that Widget was livid about the whole ordeal. The combination of the rejection and perhaps the embarrassment of the guy she invited over for a threesome moonwalking out after doing a bit of cleaning set her off. She took it personally, blamed Eep for not finding her attractive enough (through presumably they'd shared pictures, so this seems unlikely) and set about soothing her fury by getting revenge. Revenge for being snubbed, not for his cleaning job, probably.

Her husband/boyfriend/whatever was still coding on Eep's thing, and she had him build in a backdoor to it. Which I'm told is illegal, but I'm not a lawyer. Then she brought in a stack of SMA bankers, and started using the backdoor to siphon away billions of isk to individuals in SMA. Eventually, she straight up robbed Eep. At this point, he kicked her from banking stuff, but Widget's guy was still working on it. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I guess they bonded. So after Widget robbed Eep and they'd both technically defrauded him, Eep started funding people to hit SMA. Initially, it was likely less about pride, and more him just wanting his money back. Why he didn't just ask for it from the guy coding his stuff, I don't know. Best guess is Widget was playing them both.

It's unclear at what point SMA leadership as a whole learned of this, or how much they ever knew. Sidebar on this is that the three brothers who had been running SMA and who are standup dudes had been largely out of game due to family stuff and business stuff. So the vast majority of the day to day stuff was run by an Aussie named Winet, and Widget. Increasingly, they were running the alliance, and for better or worse, the brothers trusted them to do so.

Given all the stuff behind the scenes, it made for a bad situation. Instead of looking into it airlocking Widget immediately, they bought her story about how Eep was wrongfully harassing her, and vowed not to negotiate with terrorists. Then they went to war, either Widget or the SMA guys had the bright idea to infiltrate IWI to prove that it was an RMT operation while staving off the mercenaries hired to kill them. They used the backdoor, the coding loopholes, and generated a pile of data that they sent to CCP, who already had an investigation ongoing with IWI.

Eep knew about this in relatively short order. Not sure how he found out, but he wasn't super happy about it all. The backdoor was closed, the CCP investigation stalled, and suddenly SMA's plan to deal with the Eep issue didn't seem so masterful. SMA leaders were furious, both at CCP and at IWI for slandering their beloved Widget. Widget still refused to back down and talk about what really happened, Eep still wanted his money back from her. He'd also extended his retaliation in general to SMA at this point since they tried to prove IWI was an RMT shop, and said now he was going to destroy them too. It was the same line he'd take post-war with GSF when Mittani talked about IWI enabling underage gambling and being an RMT thing, vowed to destroy GSF for besmirching his good name. Given recent events, heh, well, anyway.

After that whole SMA expose blew up and fizzled out, Eep redoubled his efforts. SMA circled the wagons. Eventually the conflict started spilling out to reddit, then into bigger war stuff, and eventually became the casino war, though I'm of the opinion that threesome gone wrong war is a better name, but I digress. What makes this all the more sad is that, even unto the last, as the coalition was losing it's space, Widget and her guy were in direct contact with Eep. Eep had contacted her regularly, and and one point he let her that he'd stop funding the war, but only if she returned the isk she'd stolen from him. It was a paltry amount, and perhaps it was a scam, but given how the war was going it would have been dumb not to try. She, of course, refused. Alliance and coalition be damned, Eep had wronged her. This mentality is totally alien to me, so I can't even speculate as to why her getting vengeance over a botched threesome was more important than the thousands of people in her own alliance, or the tens of thousands in the coalition. But it was.

Oh, and for reference, all this leadup stuff happened between last summer and last October or so. Long before anyone in GSF knew what an Eep or an IWI was. SMA concealed this stuff from us as well, that there was anything happening, the real scope of it, or why it might be happening. By the time we saw and understood what was really going on, it was far too late. We'd been getting our info on the IWI stuff from SMA initially, and trusted that they were being up front. It wasn't until it became clear that they were trying to snow us to protect Widget and/or that they didn't know themselves and had been suckered by her that we really started digging. By the time we'd figured out what was really going on, we'd already lost the war and no apology, no Widget execution, nothing could stay that headsman's ax. Had SMA been open with us in the beginning, we could have headed the whole thing off easily, and would likely still be burbling along happily in Dek.

So there you have it, the root cause of the war and a great study in the price of revenge and unintended consequences. Widget's desire for revenge brought down a coalition, Eep's desire for revenge drew the public spotlight that contributed to him being banned and gambling being banned from EVE.

For me at least, it's kind of fascinating that Widget Zombie is the real reason this war kicked off, a space Helen of Troy.

This should be turned into a book. Have you considered setting up a Kickstarter to fund a fanfic on this? I think you would be good at organizing that. Maybe even getting in touch with a PR firm to run it.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:49

FruitNYogurtParfait: Mar 29, 2006; Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
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trying too hard retard

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:50

stale meme dot png: May 5, 2015; College Slice

I would legitimately buy a book by sion about all the things he can't talk about now when he can actually talk about them. So dunfunny poster strikes again with a bad post. It's sad though because I'm starting to actually like the dude. A little. Not much. Just the tip.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:53

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

trying too hard retard

Listen here fuckface, its 4am and there are a bunch of drunks singing Irish songs outside. You try to come up with something in that situation.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:53

Baculus: Oct 25, 2007; I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER

Unfunny Poster posted:

This should be turned into a book. Have you considered setting up a Kickstarter to fund a fanfic on this? I think you would be good at organizing that.

I would buy it if you wrote it.

Can you ghostwrite your own posts, please? TIA

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:53

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

lovely Irish songs too.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:53

FruitNYogurtParfait: Mar 29, 2006; Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

Unfunny Poster posted:

Listen here fuckface, its 4am and there are a bunch of drunks singing Irish songs outside. You try to come up with something in that situation.

go get drunk then assface, stop trying to feebly burn people

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:54

Baculus: Oct 25, 2007; I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER

Oh you live in the creepy time zone.

Creepy.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:54

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Daco Vato posted:

I would legitimately buy a book by sion about all the things he can't talk about now when he can actually talk about them. So dunfunny poster strikes again with a bad post. It's sad though because I'm starting to actually like the dude. A little. Not much. Just the tip.

Hey retardo vato. How many times do we have to tell you to shut the gently caress up?

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:55

Baculus: Oct 25, 2007; I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

go get drunk then assface, stop trying to feebly burn people

Assuming he is Australian, he is already drunk. And drunk shittalking is the national sport of Australia.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:56

Hubbl3: Mar 28, 2016

Daco Vato posted:

Great post sion -- it's crazy that's what this all started over. Funny still is SMA is now dead, IWI is banned and dead, PL is scrambling for a revenue stream and Goons are alive in well in Delve. Of course we persevered -- not a shock to any of the loyal who were paying attention through this all -- but it's still hilarious as so many expected us to fade into nothing. Yet here we are, same as ever, making GBS threads up a thread on SA.

And the great goon civil war schism ended also how everyone expected it to end.

# ? Oct 14, 2016 19:59

Mekchu: Apr 10, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

go get drunk then assface, stop trying to feebly burn people

Implying this is not what i am planning on doing. I am also disappointed that Deadtear of all people is rushing to defend that hilarious Kickstarter failure instead of mocking it. Thats just sad.

tickets to the gunt show posted:

Assuming he is Australian, he is already drunk. And drunk shittalking is the national sport of Australia.

Swing and a miss from Retardalus.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Oct 14, 2016

# ? Oct 14, 2016 20:00

FruitNYogurtParfait: Mar 29, 2006; Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

im not defending it, I'm insulting you

# ? Oct 14, 2016 20:06

Hubbl3: Mar 28, 2016

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/57hdlx/how_a_love_triangle_brought_down_a_coalition_by/d8s3qo0?context=3

# ? Oct 14, 2016 20:06

Salisbury Snape: May 26, 2014; While a grain platform can be used for corn, a specialized corn head is ordinarily used instead.

Unfunny Poster posted:

Hey retardo vato. How many times do we have to tell you to shut the gently caress up?

Shut up Japanese unfunny poster

# ? Oct 14, 2016 20:07

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