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Ugh, now I think I should shatter my R3 Flare and R2 Meteor, though my hoarder complex tells me to suck it up and farm more MNEOs and MBOs.
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Who should I pair quina with to make a lovely mulatto shout? I got lenna and zack and eiko Also earlier about using ramza and faris, usually I'd rather go damage and have Faris cover all the bases with her bsb, with armor bd/steal def/dance and dismissal.
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Oct 15, 2016 00:28
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:So what should I use this Rosetta Stone on? Do I wait for a really good OSB or something, or just use it on a weapon that I use a lot? I'd hate to upgrade a weapon that ends up being obsolete soon, especially since these stones seem super rare, but I also don't want to let them collect dust in my inventory forever while I keep telling myself something better is coming soon. In general, you have two parallel priorities for weapons best served by Rosetta stones. 1) They'll do the most good on weapons that are already your strongest such that you use them in other realms. Think OSB or BSB weapons combined up to +/++/+++. (Related, you almost never want to use them on weapons that aren't at least SSB quality to begin with. Unique SB Items can carry 15 of them. SSB/BSSB can carry 20. OSB weapons can take 25. It's a bad idea to use Rosetta stones on an item that can't take as many of them as possible. 2) Related to 1), the best weapons to use in any realm regardless of synergy are the ones that boost elemental damage. Especially elemental damage linked to Multi-hit attacks. That means Excaliburs/Lightbringers (holy swords) are super attractive targets. So will be Thunder damage weapons once the new multi hit Dragoon skill lands next month. Any Wind/Ice weapons if you're on the Snowstorm Strike plan are very strong. Or water weapons once Shooter skills hit. You get the idea. Similarly, if you have a great SB for a character with very limited weapon options (the canonical example here is Sephiroth who can only use Katanas), Rosettaing a weapon of that type for that character is very useful.
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Oct 15, 2016 00:32
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I have Terra's Fire Beam. To maximize Chain Firaga fun, should I do a Tyro's Selection banner roll to get the fire armlet (I don't have any other fire boosting gear)?
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Oct 15, 2016 00:32
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Pander posted:I have Terra's Fire Beam. Not unless you also want the items from the relic draw. The bonus pool items are not worth 50 mythril in their own right.
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Oct 15, 2016 00:34
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CaptainPsyko posted:Not unless you also want the items from the relic draw. The bonus pool items are not worth 50 mythril in their own right. I have plat sword and SG already, so I'm leaning toward not really. I wouldn't mind getting my first BSB or a Bartzcalibur, but the rest of the banner would be majorly disappointing.
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Oct 15, 2016 00:37
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ETB posted:Ugh, now I think I should shatter my R3 Flare and R2 Meteor, though my hoarder complex tells me to suck it up and farm more MNEOs and MBOs. Shatter flare, meteor owns for lazy farming At this point the chain -agas outdamage flare when hitting weaknesses which is the entire point of bringing a mage unless you want to use a MM+DZ darkness mage who can slot into any team comp and do well
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Oct 15, 2016 00:58
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Friendship Ribbon so far is becoming a pretty big laundry list of Annoying Mechanics. At least the "bring an ff13 character or this boss is immune to all elements" is only ++ level.
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Oct 15, 2016 01:52
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ETB posted:Ugh, now I think I should shatter my R3 Flare and R2 Meteor, though my hoarder complex tells me to suck it up and farm more MNEOs and MBOs. No reason to shatter either of them. Chain-agas are better, but Flare is still a top tier option for when a boss resists elements, or just useful as a filler ability in general. Meteor is less useful, but is always handy for daily farming or vs AOE bosses on a non-summoner.
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Oct 15, 2016 01:56
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Do Beatrix and Agrias carry the only good physical damage team imperil-holys?
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Oct 15, 2016 01:57
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Kylra posted:Do Beatrix and Agrias carry the only good physical damage team imperil-holys? Edward's BSB is 50% boostga and aoe imperil holy if you don't mind it being on your support.
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Oct 15, 2016 02:03
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CaptainPsyko posted:Do you have any, even just one, FF7 magic weapons? I have the Full Metal Rod & Kuja is lv 80 What's the strat?
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KnoxZone posted:Edward's BSB is 50% boostga and aoe imperil holy if you don't mind it being on your support. E: It's on a meh banner though. Probably just pull more for Agrias in either OSBfest or the tactics banner after. Kylra fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Oct 15, 2016 02:05
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Kylra posted:That could potentially work. Only other one is on Leo, and it's 6 hit AoE, with increased damage with less enemies. It's not that bad of a Banner (Edgar OSB 1), but not amazing. It does feature the first appearance of Guts with Relm's BSB, Cyan gets a clone of Beatrix's Ragnarok, and Celes' Indomitable Blade makes a return. Edgar's OSB is notable for being Poison, being the only AoE OSB, damage increasing with the nunber of status effects on the boss (bad, but not as bad as it sounds since group bosses are more likely to have some sort of status vulnerability) and not being on a Banner with his En-Element SB. A lot of people like Leo, which might make the Banner worth it? I'll be pulling on the Banner to fix my VI synergy anyways unless the Locke/Celes event coming up in JP is ridiculously amazing. pichupal fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Oct 15, 2016 02:35
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I'm probably pulling a time or two for the guts medica bsb anyway, so maybe I'll happen to get it. I dunno if that will be worth the loss of light of the four or one of my other BSBs to use it for the imperil though.
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Oct 15, 2016 02:41
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Edward's Lamia Harp comes with Holy element stackable break effects (atk/mag on command 1, def/res on command 2) for what it's worth.
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Oct 15, 2016 02:43
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bizarre deformity posted:I have the Full Metal Rod & Kuja is lv 80 Kuja carries that rod, casts Memento Mori, then summons Hope's BSB. Command 1 proceeds to do 20-30k damage per cast depending on debuffs and such. For the rest of your party, you want: someone that can cast Protectga, at least one Dancer 5 carrying Multi Break and Magic Breakdown Dance, and then at least one Dancer 4+ with Mental Breakdown dance. Yuffie is particularly good for that last role, especially if you have a thrown or fist or dagger or Bow with Mag (even off realm) that she can use; I had her doing 6500 damage with an FF2 bow w/110 Mag, Fire Veil, and appropriate + element materia. Swift Bolt would be equivalent. After that, fill up the rest of the group with whatever (magical) Holy, fire and Lightning damage you can scrounge up (Ninjas, as mentioned are great. So would a spare white mage with an extra medica and Diaga). Maybe toss in Power Breakdance for some extra mitigation if you have the slot free. Honestly, the BSB will do most of the work. If you can get Kuja to 400 Mag unbuffed, throw in Memento Mori and Mental Breakdown and he can literally solo the thing in terms of outgoing damage.
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Nihilarian posted:Edward's Lamia Harp comes with Holy element stackable break effects (atk/mag on command 1, def/res on command 2) for what it's worth. Yeah, but I dunno if that's worth it since I dunno if I could really use most of the other things except for synergy or CM and I still need to build A-team style options. I'm probably just going to save up like 400-500 mythril for OSBfest, and probably have a hundred or two for the tactics sword saint banner if either of those still have Agrias's.
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Oct 15, 2016 02:53
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Confirming that Garnet's Wizard Rod is very underrated. It makes her into a beast and that SSB plays nicely with just about every other medica and buff effect. I'm going to see how the Ults treat me before I pull on banner one. Almost certainly pulling for Vivi on banner two though.
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Oct 15, 2016 04:20
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RIP, orbs. I exhausted almost all non-elemental orbs for this: Also honed this one more time, because I felt like it. I've been annoyed how my supports are always the first one to run out of hones in those long drawn out boss fights. Couple of extra rounds should help. 
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Oct 15, 2016 06:42
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i have a r2 full break and i pair that with a r4 breakdown my pattern goes fb bd bd fb bd bd soul break fb bd bd fb bd bd and usually im dead or the thing is dead by 13 turns
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Oct 15, 2016 07:01
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I've been contemplating bringing Full Break to R3 myself. I already honed Chain Blizzaga to R3 and I'm not going to worry about honing Sapphire Shot unless I pull Apocalypse X, so the only other abilities competing for ice orbs are Gaia Cross and the double water spellblade, but the latter is a pretty long way away regardless. Power orbs aren't used by anything until the double spellblades start showing up either. Lightning is the real sticking point; I have a bunch, but I'll definitely want to hone Chain Thundaga if I pull Ashe's BSB, and Lightning Dive could be useful if I ever pull a Dragoon relic. R2 has been enough for me thus far, so I've been sticking with the 'never spend orbs until you absolutely need to' adage. But it's definitely getting more tempting with orbs being pretty plentiful these days.
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I could actually r4 it right away too, but obviously that is HUGE overkill. I can also r4 Saint Cross and that is very tempting, but I'd probably get more mileage out of a hypothetical second copy anyways. I just wanted a bit less micromanagement with my Supports, and guaranteed 100% coverage with Breakdowns + Full Break
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Oct 15, 2016 07:42
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I am leaning towards R3 Full Break, especially since Chain Blizzaga isn't really a priority for me right now (I'm more apt to go for Firaga or Thundaga). Would certainly be nice once we get D200/250s. I really should be going for Ashe's Defiance since I have the Dagger of Resolve, but... I'll see. I already have the Orihalcum Dirk and Holy Rod, so I'd rather not get repeats (although a Holy Rod+ is okay because of the +Holy on it).
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Oct 15, 2016 08:48
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superloosegoose posted:Who should I pair quina with to make a lovely shout? Lenna's Hastega has a boost conflict, her +30% boost on Flames of War will interfere with Quina's +50% on Frog Drop. Honestly, Zack seems like the best option there to me.
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Oct 15, 2016 09:12
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Black Mage's new RM3 (magic fire x1.5 damage to all enemies on autoattack) owns, I skipped forward to the latest elite to pick up his MC2 so I could grind it out while I ground Quina's RM2, and now Vivi completely destroys enemy waves on auto without me having to do anything. (A fire boosting hat helped.) I'd recommend grabbing it if you hate FF2/3/11 trash that comes in waves of 5, it's fantastic for that.
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Oct 15, 2016 09:24
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Smite (3 hit next two actions are instant) is going to be amazing once lightning gets her osb. Is steiners SSB good or is it whack
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superloosegoose posted:Smite (3 hit next two actions are instant) is going to be amazing once lightning gets her osb.
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Oct 15, 2016 09:45
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superloosegoose posted:Smite (3 hit next two actions are instant) is going to be amazing once lightning gets her osb. Gonna let you in on a secret: it's amazing now
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:It's a bit weird to use because it doesn't synergize with boostga very well, but you can make it work. It combos really well with something like Trueblade of Legend that buffs your defense (not to mention wall!), and if you stick a reforged 8* armor on Steiner he can do some pretty respectable damage with it. That's pretty much the only build Aegis Strike is good with, too! Yeah, you need to use it like you would Armor Strike or Aegis Strike. Build for DEF over ATK, stack with +DEF buffs, Wall, Protect, Draw Fire, etc, and just go ham.
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The Mattybee posted:Gonna let you in on a secret: it's amazing now Yeah I've been using it to Full Charge with so I don't have to make/hone Powerchain. It's super great in elite dungeons because I can build up Lightning's meter to chain: SB + FC + SB+ FC + SB + FC + FC
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Oct 15, 2016 15:28
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For anyone that doesn't get what the Hope BSB RW strategy is supposed to do, I recorded my U++ fight after a mythril SB charge up round (I needed the blinks to not have to retry dozens of times). I'm doing it with Celes. Terra is there to provide the rest of the damage with her BSB since I have no synergy to use and Celes couldn't do it alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEyaPXAmEPg Watch my embarrassment as I click the wrong soul break for Lenna. Here's what I ended up running with (no synergy at all except the resist fire on Lenna):  Celes - Drain, Fira, Holy++, Attunement 2, Marias Song+Hope RW Selphie - Protectga, Curaga, Attack->magic damage, Dreamstage Tyro - Mag- dance, Curaga, Mog's, SG Lenna - Res- Dance, Curaga, +heal, Pride of Tycoon Terra - Faith, Wrath, Fire+, Attunement 1, Blood of Espers I should have brought power break for Celes to use at the start for the medals, but oh well. I got the crystals, and not having the adamantite and scarletite probably isn't gonna kill me. Kylra fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Oct 15, 2016 |
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:It's a bit weird to use because it doesn't synergize with boostga very well, but you can make it work. It combos really well with something like Trueblade of Legend that buffs your defense (not to mention wall!), and if you stick a reforged 8* armor on Steiner he can do some pretty respectable damage with it. That's pretty much the only build Aegis Strike is good with, too! While you can make it better by buffing DEF, Steiner's SSB will pretty much always be pretty bad. The problem is how the formula works- It's based on 70% DEF and 30% ATK, so as you say, boostgas don't help much. But the real kicker is that the way it computes for the DEF value, is it's almost entirely based on his NATURAL defense- pre-buffs. The benefit you get from buffing DEF is very minimal. So while yes, to get the most out of it you need to stack Wall and Protectga and Draw Fire, it's still going to end up significantly weaker than a purely ATK-based SSB that gets full benefit from boostgas.
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Oct 15, 2016 19:48
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 428 mind wall! Guess I shouldn't have complained about pulling so many brushes and tiaras while looking for Lightbringer. ID is KjSF.
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Sesquiculus posted:
 I'm pretty sure that Wall is a fixed 25s duration and is unaffected by MND.Still a drat solid healer there, though.
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Oct 15, 2016 21:40
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Schwartzcough posted:While you can make it better by buffing DEF, Steiner's SSB will pretty much always be pretty bad. The problem is how the formula works- It's based on 70% DEF and 30% ATK, so as you say, boostgas don't help much. But the real kicker is that the way it computes for the DEF value, is it's almost entirely based on his NATURAL defense- pre-buffs. The benefit you get from buffing DEF is very minimal. So while yes, to get the most out of it you need to stack Wall and Protectga and Draw Fire, it's still going to end up significantly weaker than a purely ATK-based SSB that gets full benefit from boostgas. Also, why is it non-elemental? At least if they had made it Holy Element it could have benified from the sword that gives it and elemental weaknesses.
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Oct 15, 2016 21:47
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KataraniSword posted:
Really? That's a shame. Well, hopefully it will still make a difference for heals and buffs.
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Oct 15, 2016 21:51
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Yeah wall is unaffected by MND Her SSB though? That's lasting forever
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Dr Pepper posted:Also, why is it non-elemental? At least if they had made it Holy Element it could have benified from the sword that gives it and elemental weaknesses. Yeah, I'd honestly thought it was Holy Element when I'd first tried to defend it; then it would just be a souped up Aegis Strike. As it is... 
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Climhazzard was Excalibur-learned in FFIX and it's non-elemental. Credit to them for sticking to the source when designing that element of the SB, viability be damned. The question is where the DEF equation part comes in because it didn't work like that in FFIX. I guess something has to be low tier.
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