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Leif. posted:If she had a premonition that there was going to be the attack, how was it "too late" for her to stop it by the time she realized? If she had a premonition, and someone was found stabbed in the trunk of a car, would you call it a deadly premonition? If so, where the hell is Zach? He seems fit for this sort of series.
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I'm a couple days behind on the thread, but the next one hasn't been posted yet. So I'll take a stab (ha!) at spotting the contradiction, before I read what anyone else has written. She said that Lana Skye stabbed the victim overhanded. But as everyone knows, the way to a man's heart is through his stomach... then up and under the ribs. And she herself said in her earlier testimony that "Prosecutors are, by nature, well-versed in the location of a man's vital organs." So Lana Skye would have known that an overhead stabbing motion is a very ineffective way to kill someone, as it's likely that the ribs will turn the blade aside. If she did see what she says she saw, then the blade that Lana Skye was using may have been a trick knife of the kind used in plays, where the "blade" is blunt and retracts into the handle when pressed against a solid object (like another actor's chest). Or perhaps she's lying about some detail. Either way, I think the overhead stabbing motion is the contradiction.
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 2) - Part 2    : And you witnessed this? : You saw Ms. Skye stab the victim with the knife?  : Hmm!!! : I'm sure that is a fine lunch!  : This is the photograph you took of the very moment of the crime, is it not?   : ... : ...: ... : Ahem.: Mr. Edgeworth, your thoughts? : Objection.Yes, he just says it - no cut in, no shouting.  : Let's be a little more careful with our evidence, shall we? : It is you that needs to be more careful, Mr. Wright!: What do you mean, Mr. Edgeworth?   : H-how can you tell that!?: Blood splatter.: Huh?  : (It's a black-and-white photograph!): Ah... yes, it's hard to tell, but this could be blood.   : Mr. Wright! Are you going to just sit there and take that kind of abuse!?  : Now that you mention it, I see no problem here. : Other than myself.: M-Mr. Wright! You can't just let him walk all over you! Th-that's just sad!  : Well, that was a waste of time.: Let's continue with the testimony.: (Perhaps I should have dug a little deeper...)But if we object...   : Wait! That contradicts what the witness said in her testimony!: Namely, that she took the picture the "moment" she witnessed the crime!: Well, it seems I was slightly unclear. : My apologies.: ...: ...: Th-that's it!?: If you run out of lunch, you order seconds. Problem solved! : If you don't like it, try ordering the jumbo-sized lunch from the get-go! : Good advice. I'm not sure I understood it, but... good advice.: I didn't have time to stop her. : She killed without pain or remorse! It was a premeditated murder! : P-premeditated!?: How do you know!?   : Surgical gloves made of thin rubber, most likely. Why would she have those on?: Uh...    : These gloves do seem to tell a tale of premeditation!: Premeditated murder... a serious offense.: Witness! Add this to your testimony!   : What if she was just in the habit of wearing gloves? Like, driving gloves? : The gloves were admitted as evidence when the defendant was arrested!: They were rubber gloves, of the kind used for autopsies!: In other words, when the chief prosecutor came to the crime scene... She came to do murder!: It's the only possible conclusion one can make. : Everything was planned, it was a premeditated crime! : Impressive! I'm sorry they took you off the force, Ms. Starr!: (This is bad... She's got them thinking this was all planned...) : (If she can prove this claim, the trial's already over!): (I've got to think of a way to show that this wasn't premeditated!)And loop. So, how do we prove it?   : Are you trying to test me? I sell box lunches for a living, you know. That's a knife. THE knife.: The knife that was in Mr. Edgeworth's trunk!: Indeed, it is my knife.  : What's with this case!?: The bloody murder weapon, a red car... all belonging to the prosecutor there!?  : The defense has a request.: We ask that the witness provide an ACCURATE testimony.: What's that, Rookie?: In your testimony...: You stated that Lana Skye planned this murder. And that's why she was wearing those special gloves.: Seems like a natural conclusion to me! The gloves do indicate planning...: However! : Why would she not also prepare the most important thing... the murder weapon!?    : Order! Order! Order!: (Great! Now the tide is turning in our favor!): Great show, Mr. Wright! : My sister's as good as free!  : Wright. : W-what!?: I hope you weren't deluding yourself into thinking that the "tide has turned.": Not over such a trifling detail!: B-but this shoots a hole: in the whole premeditated theory!: Bah!: The prosecution could care less if it was premeditated or not.  : !: The defendant, Lana Skye, murdered a detective with a knife. : That is the only thing the prosecution need prove. Nothing else.: Very good, Mr. Prosecutor... I suppose you think you're clever now?: But you know as well as I do that she planned on killing him! It was planned! If she wasn't, why would she have been wearing...: I believe I'd like to hear your testimony again.: Witness, please tell us only what you "saw," not what you "thought.": How dare you!: My powers of deduction are not to be underestimated!: (Really now...)      : The victim was summoned from the Police Department to the Prosecutor's Office...: It does sound a lot like premeditation, doesn't it!?: So, if I order pizza, does that mean I'm planning to kill the delivery boy?: In any case, the defense may now cross-examine the witness.  : You've said that, but you haven't told us how you know!  : I believe what she just said was a mere prelude to the story she is about to tell.: Try not to interrupt her again.: Rookie...: Never interrupt a storyteller! It's like pulling a bun out of the oven half-baked!: (Something's half-baked here alright, and it's you!): Try not to confuse the defense, witness. They're not very quick on their feet.: Now, why did you believe the suspect had intentions to murder the victim?: Her actions speak for themselves! : You have no proof that Ms. Skye called him there!: You have no proof that she didn't!: Hmm...: Mr. Edgeworth, thoughts? : She might have written him a letter!: (C'mon! You could have tried "public phone" first, at least!): In any case, the victim came to the Prosecutor's Office, where he was murdered. : I'm sure he had a reason to be there.: Witness? Why do you think it was the suspect who summoned the victim that day? : What kind of "grudge"!?: Well, I wouldn't know that.: Of course you don't! That's because she didn't have a grudge!: Rookie... : H-how am I supposed to know!?: See? We agree there is a lunchbox here, but we don't know what's inside!: A person's life is like a lunchbox with pretzels. Don't you agree?: I-I get it! That's why my lunch was so salty!: (This judge isn't very good with metaphors...) : Will you tell us your basis for thinking this?: It's simple... : A "human machine"!?: That's a contradiction!: Please...: Can't you find fault with something of substance, Mr. Wright? : Note to self: Mr. Edgeworth's sighs smell like citrus fruit.: Umm...: You say "again and again"... how many times did she stab him, exactly?: We often say "chop into a thousand pieces," but we don't actually mean 1,000 pieces.: What difference does it make if the deed is done!?: (How come she's getting mad at me!?): Let's just say she stabbed him several times and leave it at that.: (Leave it at that!? This is a murder case, people!): Mr. Wright, you should speak up if you have an objection, you know!And loop. : (Ms. Starr has turned out to be as short-tempered as she looked when we met her.): (Challenging her abilities as a detective really set her off!): The short wick burns out the fastest!: It's a scientific fact!: I wonder... wouldn't it depend on the size of the candle? I mean, add more wax and even a really short wick will burn longer...: ...: Obviously, more scientific testing is required!So, can you spot the problem? Next time: Angel Starr continues speaking. Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Oct 15, 2016 12:48
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This time I was online just as the update was posted, so I'm first. She stabbed him again and again, you say? But the autopsy said he died of a single stab wound.
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Oct 15, 2016 13:36
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Mors Rattus posted:So, can you spot the problem? Why, I think I do! The autopsy, right? Starr said in her testimony just now that Lana went at Goodman like freaking Jack the Ripper, but the autopsy said there was only one stab wound... and blood doesn't really spatter much, from a single wound. Plus, I really don't get why nobody's mentioning that you can't see any body in the photograph either, nor a knife- just a bit of a red spot on her coat that might be blood. Also, I'm glad to see the suspicion and scorn heaped upon Edgeworth of late hasn't put him off his real joy and purpose in life: dunking on Pheonix non-stop.  "Try not to confuse the defense, witness. They're not very quick on their feet"- it's just so pointlessly mean, it's great.
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Oct 15, 2016 13:38
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If there's one thing Edgeworth loves, it's giving Phoenix the business.Mors Rattus posted:
Typo.
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Oct 15, 2016 14:35
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Mm, this case has some of the most memorable lines from the series.
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Oct 15, 2016 16:56
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I like Phoenix's showmanship. "Ladies and Gentleman, if you are going to commit murder you do NOT forget the murder weapon!" I also like that Phoenix never calls Edgeworth out of his faulty logic - If actions spoke for themselves he would have been executed a few months later for two counts of murder he didn't commit. Don't bite the hand that'll save your sorry rear end Edgey! Actions not speaking for themselves is exactly why these debates happen in the first place because if you aren't going to interpret the actions, then what is even the point of a Prosecutor at that point.
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Oct 15, 2016 19:30
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The thing I hate most about this case: The autopsy report states that Goodman died within a half hour before or after 4:00, so 3:30-4:30. Skye is seen stabbing him at 5:15 in the parking garage. Somehow I think this never comes up ever.
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Oct 16, 2016 02:25
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Who the gently caress brings their kid to a murder trial?
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Oct 16, 2016 02:29
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Waffleman_ posted:Who the gently caress brings their kid to a murder trial? I mean, when I was a kid, we actually got a break in class to see them deliver the verdict in the OJ Simpson trial.
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Oct 16, 2016 05:01
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DariusLikewise posted:The thing I hate most about this case: Read it again.  
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Oct 16, 2016 05:11
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Waffleman_ posted:Who the gently caress brings their kid to a murder trial?
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Oct 16, 2016 05:20
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Waffleman_ posted:Who the gently caress brings their kid to a murder trial? Gregory Edgeworth, apparently.
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Oct 16, 2016 05:56
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Defense attourneys dont get daycare. Daycare is for prosecutors.
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Oct 16, 2016 11:18
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Why do trials even have an audience in the first place?
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Oct 16, 2016 15:08
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I mean, they do in real life, unless that's what you're asking why. There are sure to be related parties (relatives of victims and defendants, etc.) who have reason to want to view the proceedings, and keeping them open is good for transparency - it proves to anyone who cares to come in that nothing untoward is going on in the proceedings.
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Oct 16, 2016 15:11
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Mraagvpeine posted:Why do trials even have an audience in the first place? What AlphaKretin said, but it also enables people to learn how trials actually work. (Hint: it's generally not like it's shown on television, and that includes Judge Judy, who is an arbitrator dealing directly with schmucks.)
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Oct 16, 2016 18:28
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Aerdan posted:What AlphaKretin said, but it also enables people to learn how trials actually work. (Hint: it's generally not like it's shown on television, and that includes Judge Judy, who is an arbitrator dealing directly with schmucks.) Judge Judy is not an example of a proper trial. Having an arbitrator is cheaper than actually taking the case to a real court. The contracts you sign to appear on Judge Judy probably would have harsher penalties to break than if you actually take the case to an actual court. What you see on TV and movies when it's a courtroom drama isn't even close to what an actual criminal court is like in Canada. A case like almost any in the Ace Attorney games would get widespread attention, but only the results would be broadcast. You do want to bring your family to a court to get closure. Also remember that Miles Edgeworth wanted to become a defense attorney like his father. He was probably interested in the court proceedings and sat in the gallery soaking up the atmosphere. I doubt he was Gregory's assistant. IAmTheRad fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Oct 16, 2016 |
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Oct 16, 2016 19:21
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I'd like to wish everybody here a happy Stepladder Day.
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Oct 16, 2016 20:48
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Man, she is really bitter about being reduced to a packed-lunch salesgirl. All of these unnecessary deductions.
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Oct 17, 2016 03:08
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IAmTheRad posted:Judge Judy is not an example of a proper trial. Having an arbitrator is cheaper than actually taking the case to a real court. The contracts you sign to appear on Judge Judy probably would have harsher penalties to break than if you actually take the case to an actual court. poo poo, now I wanna see the prequel with Ace Attourney Greg Edgeworth and his ten year old son as the assistant.
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Oct 17, 2016 03:39
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Alopex posted:poo poo, now I wanna see the prequel with Ace Attourney Greg Edgeworth and his ten year old son as the assistant. There is a game where you do play as Gregory, and it's possibly my second or third favourite game in the series. Miles is not his assistant though.
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Oct 17, 2016 12:40
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 2) - Part 3  : You say she stabbed him again and again...: But you couldn't have witnessed that!: Are you testing me...?: Then I'll test you! : I'm afraid the moss is growing under our feet as we wait, Ms. Starr. : ...!?: W-what do you mean? : The autopsy report states that death was due to a loss of blood... from one stab wound. : Ah hah! You're right!: Good show, Mr. Edgeworth!: What a hunk! : He's my hero, really.: (What about my objection? No one noticed?): Well, witness? : Uh... oh, thanks.: I always believed that no one could ever mistake ketchup for blood...: But now, I realize that such mistakes are possible.: So...: You're saying you mistook something... for blood?: When she lifted her knife, I thought I saw blood at her breast... : That's why I thought she must have stabbed him at least twice.: Then tell us what you saw that you thought was blood!: Testify!: ... : Her red muffler?: Yes, like a scarf. The Chief Prosecutor always wears one around her neck.: So she can be easily hanged at a moment's notice, I suppose...: (She's right...) : But wait...: Isn't it odd that you mistook that for splattered blood?: ...: Well, people often mistake my beard...: For a bib.: (A judge with a bib. That's why this place feels so much like kindergarten sometimes.): Actually...  : There was only one knife wound.: ...: (Apparently, Ms. Starr isn't entirely sure of her own testimony.): Mr. Wright!: This is our chance!!!: Chance for what, I wonder...?And loop. This should be easy.  : Ms. Starr! I demand an explanation...: The witness is clearly not suited for detective work.: W-what!?: The suspect was not wearing: a scarf or muffler of any kind when she stabbed the victim.  : Only a true professional could be so clueless.: I'm sure you'll make a good lunchlady, have no fear.: Hmm!: Harsh words! But good!: In the end, Mr. Edgeworth prevails!: (What was my objection, chopped liver!?): B-but it was there, a scarf, no, not that, but something red! Really!: Well now, where were we?: The witness has given us an entertaining interlude, now back to business.: Wh-what!?: Very well, witness. Continue your testimony.: You saw the crime, and apprehended the suspect...: Tell us about that.: ......: Very well.: I do remember some things accurately, at least.: (Ultimately, we couldn't shake the most important part of her testimony.): The most important part...?: The part where your sister stabs the victim! (This next testimony might just be the moment of truth!)       : You are quite determined about this scarf, aren't you?: I strike like a snake and bite like a cobra!: That's me. Angel Starr.: That's not a very good metaphor. First of all, a cobra is a kind of snake.: Don't bother me with details, unless you want to get bitten!: N-no thanks!: Note to self: Attorney Wright gets bitten by snake.: The chief prosecutor tried to resist, but her efforts were in vain.: She knocked my hands aside, kicked over an oil drum...: O-oil drum? (Hard to imagine...): Oh, she's beautiful, but deadly! A predator, this one! A leopard woman! Rowr!: Very well, Mr. Wright. Your cross-examination, if you will.    : (That's right...) : She was obviously trying to hide herself.: Quite a natural thing for a criminal to do!: And what did you do then? : You say "quickly"... were you close to the suspect?: As I just said!: I was only 30 feet away from her the whole time.      : That would make it about 30 feet from the car, yes.: Is that correct, Ms. Starr?: Y-yes, that's right. : I went over it, of course.: Amazing! The Cough-up Queen, lunchlady athlete, indeed.: It would have taken her a little time to climb over the fence.: So she couldn't have gotten to my sister THAT fast... : (How come Ms. Skye didn't get away?) : She mentioned the muffler?: What exactly did she say?: If I remembered exactly, I would have told you in my testimony!: (Cheeky!): Anyway, all I heard her say was the word "muffler.": Just that one word?: So... what you heard wasn't the suspect talking to you, but to someone else?: Yes. The chief prosecutor was talking on her phone!  : Yes, ultimately.: Ultimately?: My memory...: It's like a salmon, heading upstream, you see.: N-no, the court doesn't see, Ms. Starr. : On the wall? : Apparently, it was out of order.: And so she used her cell phone? : Hmm.: Good witnessing, witness!: (Good witnessing? What ever happened to good testifying?): You should of course add this to your testimony.: The things I do to please this rookie defense attorney.And the cell phone evidence is updated to note the call and the whole 'muffler' thing.  : Um... do you think you could restate your testimony for the court?: Ah hah! I was going to ask the same thing!: I'll only say this one time, so listen close, Rookies.     : The chief prosecutor hung up her phone!: And you: saw her doing this?: ...?: What is it, Mr. Wright? : She "made to escape"...: Can you be more specific?: She brushed aside my hand and ran! It was a terrible sight to see, like a dollop of lard on a pate of foie gras!: (Huh?): She even kicked over an oil drum at me!: A-an oil drum!?: There was an oil drum lying on its side at the scene of the crime.: But, it's strange...: Hmm? What's that?: If she wanted to escape...: why didn't she run the other way? : Th-that's right!: It doesn't make any sense that she would run from behind the partition to the oil drums!: ...And loop. : Excellent! More mysteries!: I wish we could solve a few before finding more, though...: (So Ms. Skye tried to run?): I'm sorry my sister is so suspicious, Mr. Wright...: Not as sorry as I am.: But she didn't do it! You have to believe me!So, can you spot a problem in this testimony? Next time: Trying to solve a few mysteries. Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Nov 10, 2016 |
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Oct 19, 2016 16:06
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Well... yeah, there sure was a solid wall directly in between Starr's reported location and the telephone antics she claims to have witnessed. EDIT: I like how the prosecution has helpfully provided a blood-red pin stamped with the first letter of the word "killer" for us to mark our defendant's location with. Iny fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Oct 19, 2016 16:15
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Iny posted:Well... yeah, there sure was a solid wall directly in between Starr's reported location and the telephone antics she claims to have witnessed. I'm thinking this too. The other possible contradiction is that it was established earlier that there was no record of a call made on Lana's phone on the day of the murder.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:26
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Mors Rattus posted:
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Oct 19, 2016 16:26
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It's been a while since I've played this case, so I'm a little rusty on all the contradictions, but Phoenix more or less outright gives you the answer here, from what I can tell. She shouldn't have seen Lana behind the partition.
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Oct 19, 2016 18:23
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Cerebral Bore posted:I'm thinking this too. The other possible contradiction is that it was established earlier that there was no record of a call made on Lana's phone on the day of the murder. There was, but remember where we found the cell phone - It was in the trunk of Edgeworth's car. How the hell would it have gotten there if she made a call by the emergency phone?
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Oct 19, 2016 21:09
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Man, I detest Angel Starr.
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Oct 19, 2016 22:01
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Careful with that kind of talk, Rookie. She'll fry you like a fritter!
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Oct 19, 2016 23:11
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Cerebral Bore posted:I'm thinking this too. The other possible contradiction is that it was established earlier that there was no record of a call made on Lana's phone on the day of the murder. Correction: There was no record of a call to the victim, Bruce Goodman from Lana's phone on the day of the murder. The last call made on Lana's phone was at 5:18, to Ema, which we found out when Phoenix first picked it up in the investigation.
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Oct 19, 2016 23:45
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KataraniSword posted:There was, but remember where we found the cell phone - It was in the trunk of Edgeworth's car. How the hell would it have gotten there if she made a call by the emergency phone? No it wasn't, it was on the ground next to the tipped over oil drum. Angel just said that Lana ran over there and kicked it over.
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whitehelm posted:No it wasn't, it was on the ground next to the tipped over oil drum. Angel just said that Lana ran over there and kicked it over. Oh, I misremembered my evidence. 
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Oct 20, 2016 02:01
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KataraniSword posted:Oh, I misremembered my evidence. 
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Oct 20, 2016 05:00
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Is Edgeworth subtlety helping Wright here?
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Oct 20, 2016 10:00
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cokerpilot posted:Is Edgeworth subtlety helping Wright here? Subtle nothing, he's outright arguing against his witness here and doing Wright's job.
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Oct 20, 2016 10:13
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BlackPersona posted:Subtle nothing, he's outright arguing against his witness here and doing Wright's job. In fairness, the witness confessed to not liking prosecutors. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Oct 20, 2016 10:14
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Less helping, more upstaging, and becauseMiles Edgeworth posted:Man, I detest Angel Starr.
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BlackPersona posted:Subtle nothing, he's outright arguing against his witness here and doing Wright's job. He does tend to wait for phoenix to object before calling her stupid though. It's definitely him just taking his witness woes out on one of them for a change.
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