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lol john killman
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From the law firm Killman, Killman, and Everyman
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Oct 17, 2016 21:03
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Bolt VanderHuge
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Oct 17, 2016 21:25
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When you have a huge‐rear end legal problem, you need the Hugh Jass legal team.
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Oct 17, 2016 22:09
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The gently caress kind of name is that?
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Oct 17, 2016 22:26
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:The gently caress kind of name is that? sounds like he runs an escort service in the hunger games
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https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/788123795605168129 Interesting. I wonder why they didn't charge Payne with it. (Did they?)
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Yeah okay now I don't blame him for wanting to be called JOHN KILLMAN instead of whatever the hell that is
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SocketWrench posted:I doubt that. It would, however, bring another massive infiltration and crackdown of militia and sov cit groups though. The only thing that allowed them to grow back since the OC bombing was they kept their poo poo mostly under control. The Feds stopped tracking the militia movement after right wing crying over a report that was basically "hey these groups are on the rise and full of right wing extremists and white supremacists" and oh hey look at who Trump's got nice and riled up this election season. 
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AB trying to be funny? https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/788163454913748998 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/788163681846632448 The trial seems to be about over. Jury instructions and closing arguments remain if I understood correctly.
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https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/788149887401545728 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/788149437835071488 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/788149637483933696
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Wait, the defense rested? Closing arguments tomorrow? I must have oversleptquote:PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN) — Noting the trial is “down to the last sands in the hourglass,” Judge Anna J. Brown heard back-and-forth about confidential informants used during the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation. Woo!
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Kazak_Hstan posted:lawyers are so bad at banter And this trial gives them such easy material.
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Oct 18, 2016 00:58
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Evil Fluffy posted:The Feds stopped tracking the militia movement after right wing crying over a report that was basically "hey these groups are on the rise and full of right wing extremists and white supremacists" and oh hey look at who Trump's got nice and riled up this election season. yeah did they actually stop though? still a blue federal government
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Oct 18, 2016 03:25
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VikingSkull posted:Ted Kaczynski and Timothy McVeigh are two different people. Crazed bombers all blur together to me, man. You seen one horrifying bombing you've seen them all and have the thousand yard stare to prove it.
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Evil Fluffy posted:The Feds stopped tracking the militia movement after right wing crying over a report that was basically "hey these groups are on the rise and full of right wing extremists and white supremacists" and oh hey look at who Trump's got nice and riled up this election season. I seem to remember congress whining and bitching and construing it as THE FBI WANTS TO BAN ALL CONSERVATIVES BECAUSE THOUGHT POLICE
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Didn't they also manage to link the van to him? I remember reading that it was a rental so it couldn't be traced to the owner. But they found enough numbers to identify it on the parts (it was like a serial on an axle tied to the VIN) then traced it to the rental shop, who gave all the deets they had. Which were then traced back to the right person. Wouldn't renting be the worst possible way of getting a vehicle for a bombing? Like say witnesses saw a generic white panel van or something, there are going to be thousands and thousands of those things registered in nearby states. But if a rental guy sees that and thinks to himself, "hey, a guy rented one of our generic white panel vans 3 days ago and never returned it. I'll just bring up his credit card receipt and call the police". Jeez, reporting your own vehicle stolen days before using it for the bombing would be less incriminating than that.
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Rockin Orthodontist posted:Wouldn't renting be the worst possible way of getting a vehicle for a bombing? Like say witnesses saw a generic white panel van or something, there are going to be thousands and thousands of those things registered in nearby states. But if a rental guy sees that and thinks to himself, "hey, a guy rented one of our generic white panel vans 3 days ago and never returned it. I'll just bring up his credit card receipt and call the police". Jeez, reporting your own vehicle stolen days before using it for the bombing would be less incriminating than that. I think the most important part is that it isn't your car that's blowing up. It's also pretty likely that all your spare cars are on cinder blocks.
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Rockin Orthodontist posted:Wouldn't renting be the worst possible way of getting a vehicle for a bombing? Like say witnesses saw a generic white panel van or something, there are going to be thousands and thousands of those things registered in nearby states. But if a rental guy sees that and thinks to himself, "hey, a guy rented one of our generic white panel vans 3 days ago and never returned it. I'll just bring up his credit card receipt and call the police". Jeez, reporting your own vehicle stolen days before using it for the bombing would be less incriminating than that. The dumbest thing he did though was not using a getaway car with a goddamn license plate. The second dumbest thing was carrying an illegal concealed weapon on the day of the bombing.
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Oct 18, 2016 06:54
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Is this it? Or almost it? I am going to miss all of you guys...
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We will be back when the
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Oct 18, 2016 07:33
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Theres still the Bunkerville trial in February. Also how long would it take to determine sentencing?
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WrenP-Complete posted:Is this it? Or almost it? I am going to miss all of you guys... It never ends. If Ryan Payne is allowed to change his plea to Not Guilty they'll have to have a separate trial just for him, though if the others are found guilty I don't know WTF he hopes to accomplish. There is the Bunkerville trial in February. And then of course the appeals process. Before the appeals process is done, one of the guys who was let off or who got a short sentence will probably run afoul of the law again.
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TotalLossBrain posted:AB trying to be funny? Mumford and (Bundy) Sons
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WrenP-Complete posted:Is this it? Or almost it? I am going to miss all of you guys... I'm going to get a little bit of fun out of "Don't worry, they were found guilty but when Trump wins the election he'll---ohhhh..." in the meantime
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Rockin Orthodontist posted:Wouldn't renting be the worst possible way of getting a vehicle for a bombing? Like say witnesses saw a generic white panel van or something, there are going to be thousands and thousands of those things registered in nearby states. But if a rental guy sees that and thinks to himself, "hey, a guy rented one of our generic white panel vans 3 days ago and never returned it. I'll just bring up his credit card receipt and call the police". Jeez, reporting your own vehicle stolen days before using it for the bombing would be less incriminating than that. This reminds me of the attempted Times Square car bombing in 2010. The bomb in the SUV fizzled instead of detonating, so there was a whole treasure trove of information for investigators. A few examples: * The VIN number was removed from most obvious spots, but the suspect missed the engine block. They were able to trace it to the last known owner, who sold the SUV for cash to the bomber. * The seller of the SUV still had the record of her phone call with the suspect on her phone, letting them track down the pre-paid cell phone he used to arrange the purchase and see all the calls made with that phone (such as calls to and from his own goddamn phone number and a fireworks store). She also had an email from him with his legit email address, which she gave investigators. * The bomber parked his own SUV 8 blocks away to use as a getaway car, but he accidentally left his keys in the bomb vehicle and had to return later with his spare key. The police recovered his whole keyring from the bomb vehicle, including his house key. * The vehicle's path was tracked through toll booth cameras and street security cameras to identify exactly where the bomber entered Manhattan and see him leaving the vehicle.
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chitoryu12 posted:This reminds me of the attempted Times Square car bombing in 2010. The bomb in the SUV fizzled instead of detonating, so there was a whole treasure trove of information for investigators. A few examples: There was a big art heist case like that in Sweden years ago -- they used a rented boat as the getaway vehicle and had used their own real information to rent it, so when the cops found the boat they immediately knew who to find
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Rockin Orthodontist posted:Wouldn't renting be the worst possible way of getting a vehicle for a bombing? Like say witnesses saw a generic white panel van or something, there are going to be thousands and thousands of those things registered in nearby states. But if a rental guy sees that and thinks to himself, "hey, a guy rented one of our generic white panel vans 3 days ago and never returned it. I'll just bring up his credit card receipt and call the police". Jeez, reporting your own vehicle stolen days before using it for the bombing would be less incriminating than that. IIRC because I was 12 at the time, they found the engine block or axle like a mile away from the Oklahoma City site in someone's backyard and traced it using the serial number on it.
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So yeah all that and he only failed because he was a lovely bombstetrician
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theflyingexecutive posted:So yeah all that and he only failed because he was a lovely bombstetrician Shameful.
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Here's a pretty interesting article from OregonLive about the jury instructions and what it took to get there. Why is Shawna Cox allowed to have input to these instructions? Is this normal?
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TotalLossBrain posted:Here's a pretty interesting article from OregonLive about the jury instructions and what it took to get there. Why is Shawna Cox allowed to have input to these instructions? Is this normal? Yes. Both the defense and prosecution get input into jury instructions. They're not set in stone (and it gets messy when there aren't model instructions).
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Theres still the Bunkerville trial in February. Don't forget the inevitable appeals as well. Gazing into the abyss: quote:The story the courts would not let America hear, is coming soon. quote:What happened to the film in production from 2 half years ago where I donated $1,000? 'The Last Rancher'. Or is this it under a new title? Shocked, shocked I say that the Bundys could have raised money for something two years ago and then not delivered on it. quote:Also, any defendant has a one time right to recuse any judge for any reason. They should recuse this judge, but then the problem would be they would sit in jail longer and start all over again. It would probably be easier to show how many times they violated their own rules and file an appeal and/or a claim. Strangely not in the constitution, checkmate patriots. quote:When the "TERRORIST" organization is set up and started by the US Federal Domestic Terrorist Corporation, their is only one way to STOP the current out reach by our own "TERRORIST CORPORATION"!!!!!! LOCK-N-LOAD AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!!!!!! Also lots of stuff on how this is all a plot by Hillary to steal the Bundy land for the rich uranium deposits that she's already sold to Russia. Which is apparently common knowledge amongst the crazies.
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Rockin Orthodontist posted:Wouldn't renting be the worst possible way of getting a vehicle for a bombing? Like say witnesses saw a generic white panel van or something, there are going to be thousands and thousands of those things registered in nearby states. But if a rental guy sees that and thinks to himself, "hey, a guy rented one of our generic white panel vans 3 days ago and never returned it. I'll just bring up his credit card receipt and call the police". Jeez, reporting your own vehicle stolen days before using it for the bombing would be less incriminating than that. I think the idea was to blast the vehicle into such a mess that there was not enough to trace it. But then like you said all they need to do is look for a recent rental that never came back. I think the thought was that it would be harder to track if it wasn't positively directly identified by getting actual numbers. Not only was it not mangled enough but uh...well yeah you can still narrow it down to a few options at most by just looking at what vehicles failed to come home. Generally speaking using a vehicle in a bombing in general is just stupid unless you can drive it away without getting suspicion.
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McVeigh didn't rent the truck under his own name and used a fake name instead. They were still able to ID him eventually.
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