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WanderingKid posted:troll icewall Is there any other kind?
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WanderingKid posted:If objective and map design are every going to be expanded, the heroes don't necessarily need drastic changes though. i.e. Widow = immobile while scoped, has poor peripheral vision and can't contest a point but if Blizz were to release a new map called Anubis 2 with 2x sniper nests accessible only by long range teleport/grappling hook with full view of the capture point, cover for LoSing/peeking and a health pack spawn then suddenly widow becomes broken tier on that map. It would never happen to this extent but you see how the map can be designed to play more to a certain hero's strengths and minimise its weaknesses. Map design is the biggest culprit on why attack/defend and hybrid cap/escort are poo poo game modes. You have one major choke and a lot of the flank routes don't really flank because they closely parallel the main choke.
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Oct 17, 2016 21:30
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The main battle areas are well designed, but there are so many side rooms that don't really go anywhere or have anything. it's really weird.
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Oct 17, 2016 21:34
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you can kill most heroes in under 2 seconds with bastion's recon gun. you have 300 health, a third of which is armor, so in a straight up fight you can damage race most of the offensive heroes (reaper will still kill you unless he's trying to snipe but everyone else you can beat if you're in bastion's effective range) even though they do damage slightly faster to you than you do to them. he deals good damage (89/178 dps). this isn't lucio vs reaper damage output here, this is the difference of under a second where the other guy generally has 100 less health than you and no armor to speak of. anything that isn't a tank can be killed in your single clip; even reaper! the problem is not the damage you do, which is respectable if not great, the problem is that bastion has a tank's hitbox, no mobility whatsoever so you can only make use of your own effective range to defend yourself from people that chase you down, and you only have 20 shots to work with. if your aim is on point, you can mulch tracers and genjis that chase after you because they expect you to just roll over and die because you're a loving recon bastion clearly the definition y'all have for surprisingly good is different from mine. I don't think we'd be having this argument if a better hero had that gun. tracer's gun would be trash in bastion's hands too Kashuno posted:I think right now the only one that could apply to would be Symmetra. Literally any hero can be viable at low levels, and she's the only one I can't recall seeing recently in competitive play there was a rank 80 symmetra main last season
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Oct 17, 2016 21:35
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Is there any other kind? Touché.
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Oct 17, 2016 21:43
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Hell yeah a halloween box with 3 epics and a rare! Oh it's a tombstone for Mei and three duplicated non halloween skins 
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Oct 17, 2016 21:49
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i mean i guess that's why you see so many people going recon bastion to wipe out the enemy offensive line
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Oct 17, 2016 21:58
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I already explained why that doesn't work so if you're just gonna ignore what I'm saying then I'll stop
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Oct 17, 2016 21:59
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Fenarisk posted:Hell yeah a halloween box with 3 epics and a rare! I'm really really good at getting legendary coins and the same goddamn redbeard torb forever
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Oct 17, 2016 22:00
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Sombra is probably hitting PTR tomorrow at noon. Anyone else excited? I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Oct 17, 2016 22:01
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JackDarko posted:Sombra is probably hitting PTR tomorrow at noon. Anyone else excited? I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm pretty excited for people saying something about Sombra is probably gonna happen to be proven wrong again.
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Oct 17, 2016 22:04
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Sombra will be announced as an exclusive character to the NX version of overwatch, which will be announced tomorrow
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Oct 17, 2016 22:22
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I can't believe Blizzard would delay her reveal again, especially with that long con meter filling website. I hope they don't do that.
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Oct 17, 2016 22:35
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soldier 76 can't even transform into a 400 dps minigun turret smh what a worthless hero
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Oct 17, 2016 22:37
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Technically they already delayed the countdown's completion. It was set to finish at noon today, but last week they slowed it down slightly to finish at noon tomorrow instead.
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Oct 17, 2016 22:37
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Kerrrrrrr posted:soldier 76 can't even transform into a 400 dps minigun turret smh what a worthless hero He is sort of a worthless hero in pro games right now though, picked less than Bastion  
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Oct 17, 2016 22:41
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Supercar Gautier posted:Technically they already delayed the countdown's completion. It was set to finish at noon today, but last week they slowed it down slightly to finish at noon tomorrow instead. They needed another day to prep all the lore.
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Oct 17, 2016 22:41
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Fusion Restaurant posted:He is sort of a worthless hero in pro games right now though, picked less than Bastion hooley dooley
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Oct 17, 2016 22:42
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You posted:I like playing Mercy. A lot. It's really fun when your team realises that they stay alive longer when they are protecting the healer that sweeps from player to player. This was where I was at for a long time, although I'm starting to get to the point where the hit I take in a comp loss while playing Mercy just isn't worth it Manatee Cannon posted:yes? it's surprisingly strong in the same way that mercy's pistol is. you can catch people off guard and kill them because it's stronger than people expect but it's not exactly good. what problem do you have with this? The most typical occurrence of this to me is when a Widowmaker drops down in front of me, and starts running, shooting her auto at me, for some reason my brain is frozen in novelty and I frequently die and then laugh. Rick fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Oct 17, 2016 |
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Oct 17, 2016 22:45
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Kerrrrrrr posted:hooley dooley to be fair, this meta report is skewed a lot by the conflicting asian metas. they were running things the west doesn't consider in a lot of places we wouldn't normally expect, such as using bastion as a last defense stall in payload
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Oct 17, 2016 22:48
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Manatee Cannon posted:to be fair, this meta report is skewed a lot by the conflicting asian metas. they were running things the west doesn't consider in a lot of places we wouldn't normally expect, such as using bastion as a last defense stall in payload yeah i think i've missed the last couple of meta reports, i need to catch up
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Oct 17, 2016 22:49
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Recon Bastion is fat, lovely soldier. He's not as terrible as a reaper trying to snipe with his shotguns, but he's not good. He's aggressively mediocre.
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Oct 17, 2016 23:09
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Gloryhold It! posted:Recon Bastion is fat, lovely soldier. He's not as terrible as a reaper trying to snipe with his shotguns, but he's not good. He's aggressively mediocre. Holy poo poo, he's right. None of you listen.
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Oct 18, 2016 02:04
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:Holy poo poo, he's right. None of you listen. Sorry for putting my two cents in.
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Oct 18, 2016 03:32
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Finally made it to 2500. Now I can stopping giving so much of a poo poo about competitive cause I'm not going anywhere above plat.
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Oct 18, 2016 04:29
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Ana's "Letter" spray is mostly scribbles but you can almost make out one line: "My Daughter" It's her last letter to Fareeha before abandoning her
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Oct 18, 2016 07:23
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Rick posted:Bastion is only viable on Hanjo tier and Team Hanjo already has #1 in the world Bastion iBeepl . the only Bastion worth watching is Bradstion, I love watching his videos so entertaining. (Zylbrad)
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Oct 18, 2016 08:34
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Rick posted:This was where I was at for a long time, although I'm starting to get to the point where the hit I take in a comp loss while playing Mercy just isn't worth it It's really frustrating because I have two different impulses going on when I que up competitive: 1. PLAYING MERCY IS SO loving FUN and playing other supports is kind of boring for me. 2. I'm a competitive person and I can see very clearly that my team would have a better chance to win if I went Lucio even though I have like 1/10th the mastery of Lucio I do of Mercy. I think it's just something I'm going to have to get used to though or quit the game. I never played a MOBA, I assume that when you are constantly adding new characters you just can't make such a massive cast all equally competitively viable. But just, it's really frustrating because I want to be playing Mercy.
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Oct 18, 2016 09:50
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mercy's fine play her if you like her
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Oct 18, 2016 10:18
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Yeah she synergises with some heroes better than Lucio. She's good with Pharah and a 76 that uses his mobility to stay on highground. In my opinion play a bit of Lucio in quick play and get a feel for him. He's an extremely strong character and in my opinion very fun to play.
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Oct 18, 2016 10:20
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As long you aren't constantly dying to stuff, Mercy is just as good Lucio. She'a arguably better on like payload maps since she can just stay far from the fight and rez everyone when they inevitably get ulted
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Oct 18, 2016 10:29
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The group I've been playing with find having a mercy on the team is important for her rez ability. While on quick play I can sometimes get 3+ rez, on comp its usually 2+ as mercy gets singled out the easiest out of supports because the obvious beam connecting her to players. So while her rez is really useful, she tends to die first out of a group so its sometimes a moot point. I still prefer lucio as a support. Playing in a group of 6 is alot of fun, but since I play on head phones I find I miss out on audio cues since voice chat covers alot of the game sound, especially the subtle stuff like foot steps. Also I find I'm the most chill, as some of them lose their poo poo when they lose a comp match. And speaking of support, for Ana I thought her zoomed in shots did more damage/heal like widow maker, but I guess it just changes her shots to hit scan rather then projectile?
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Oct 18, 2016 10:31
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Away all Goats posted:As long you aren't constantly dying to stuff, Mercy is just as good Lucio. She'a arguably better on like payload maps since she can just stay far from the fight and rez everyone when they inevitably get ulted She could, but it doesn't happen that way most of the time. What happens most times is 2-3 teammates die to just being picked without ultimates then you have to choose between continuing the teamfight down two or reviving them into the inevitable ults you won't have time to charge back revive in time for. And since you are in close range healing now, your chance of being caught in the ults yourself has gone way, way up. Or they all die one at a time and trickle back to the fight even as you spam, "Group Up! My Ultimate is ready!" over and over. FuriousxGeorge fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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Oct 18, 2016 10:32
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Mercy's a fine healer. If you're not playing tournaments you're fine doing what you want as long as it fits the sitch, and player skill is going to do more than a similar role that fits the meta.
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Oct 18, 2016 10:36
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rumble in the bunghole posted:Mercy's a fine healer. If you're not playing tournaments you're fine doing what you want as long as it fits the sitch, and player skill is going to do more than a similar role that fits the meta. It's just plain untrue. Mercy depends on team skill to be successful much more than Lucio, Ana, or Zen does. Choosing a different healer multiplies the impact of your own skill. If Mercy was on their level, she wouldn't be the least played healer in the top level tournaments, and in those tournaments she wouldn't rely on Pharah (another underrepresented character) being included as well to even have a chance to appear. FuriousxGeorge fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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Oct 18, 2016 10:43
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Anybody help me out here? When you have a high charge with Zarya and you're shooting a Reins shield 1 on 1 do you use beam or bomb, as in which wears the shield down faster?
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Oct 18, 2016 11:08
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Bushmaori posted:Anybody help me out here? Doesnt your beam ignore his shield?
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Oct 18, 2016 11:11
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It's probably beam until 1 ammo left and then bomb for max damage before reload.
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Oct 18, 2016 11:12
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Bushmaori posted:Anybody help me out here? Trick question; you run up and Melee them. Either they drop the shield to retaliate or eat your abuse and hope someone else helps them.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:It's just plain untrue. Mercy depends on team skill to be successful much more than Lucio, Ana, or Zen does. Choosing a different healer multiplies the impact of your own skill. If Mercy was on their level, she wouldn't be the least played healer in the top level tournaments, and in those tournaments she wouldn't rely on Pharah (another underrepresented character) being included as well to even have a chance to appear. You have a point, but at the same time I feel like you are overestimating just how much your hero selection matters when you end up with the kind of teammates that couldn't hit water if they fell off a boat. The fact that you are playing support at all is already helping your team more than which support you play as.
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