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GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo
I am placing a Forge World order and..holy crap is the GBP low. A 249GBP order is only $306. Plus free express shipping.

GreenMarine fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Oct 19, 2016

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adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
thank God for Britons

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



I'm just sad that the Canadian dollar is also kinda poo poo right now, so while buying Forgeworld is much cheaper than usual, it's not the huge bargain you guys are getting.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

Shazaminator posted:

Given most of the Terran marines sided with Luther that actually makes a lot of sense for why they turned entirely green.
Nah, Luther had tens of thousands of Calibanite marines. There weren't a whole lot of Terrans left behind with him though there some notables like Astelan.
:goonsay:

Ghazk
May 11, 2007

I can see EVERYTHING

BULBASAUR posted:

Do you have close ups of the sweet looking terminator with the plasma cannon?

Slightly better crappy cellphone pics.




BirdieBedtime posted:

The white helms on your vet sarges are rad as poo poo. I'm glad to see more people using the Raptor helms in 30k.

They felt right at home with Autilon's nightmare rabbit mask

BaconCopter
Feb 13, 2008

:coolfish:

:coolfish:
That blue orange contrast is phenomenal.

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.
Really loving nice paint job.

Does anyone have any decent guides for OSL with an airbrush? I'm tempted to experiment with my upcoming Raven guard KT.

WhiteOutMouse
Jul 29, 2010

:wom: will blow your mind.
Hi 30k thread. I bought the board game as a cheap entry into this game system after MasteSlowPoke convinced me to give it a shot. We were talking about 40k games and I mentioned I kinda wanted the game to be more "honest" and to play with tac squads with some sarg plasma pistols and maybe a captain or two. He said that sounds like 30k and I could not really argue. I knew the boardgame would not be around forever so I bought one to get my foot in the door.

In the past I really like armies that are more CC oriented so I figured I would play world eaters. I also really like their pre heresy paint scheme. I even paint my 40k world eaters that way because gently caress off I enjoy it.

So I have like 30 marines, 5 termies and one contemptor on my desk. How do I kit these guys out? How concerned with magnets should I be?
Also who knows which rulebooks I would need to buy/obtain? Never played and 30k before and the boardgame does not seem to have even a quick start rules like dark vengeance.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Well... for starters, you dont kit them out with plasma pistols. The boardgame is not even remotely close to 30k ruleswise. You need the basic 40k rulebook and the two red books from FW. Kit for your dudes is dependent on your chosen legion (Emperor Rox, Horus Sux)

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

WhiteOutMouse posted:

Hi 30k thread. I bought the board game as a cheap entry into this game system after MasteSlowPoke convinced me to give it a shot. We were talking about 40k games and I mentioned I kinda wanted the game to be more "honest" and to play with tac squads with some sarg plasma pistols and maybe a captain or two. He said that sounds like 30k and I could not really argue. I knew the boardgame would not be around forever so I bought one to get my foot in the door.

In the past I really like armies that are more CC oriented so I figured I would play world eaters. I also really like their pre heresy paint scheme. I even paint my 40k world eaters that way because gently caress off I enjoy it.

So I have like 30 marines, 5 termies and one contemptor on my desk. How do I kit these guys out? How concerned with magnets should I be?
Also who knows which rulebooks I would need to buy/obtain? Never played and 30k before and the boardgame does not seem to have even a quick start rules like dark vengeance.
30k is an expansion of 40k so the basic rules are the same. To play World Eaters with all of their rules, special units, etc. you'll need the basic legion list and the book with the legion-specific entries.

You can build the MkIV dudes as veterans or regular tacticals. Vets have access to special weapons, power weapons, and neat skills while tacticals can either swap their bolters for close combat weapons or buy a close combat weapon on top of their bolter and bolt pistol. World Eaters can upgrade chainswords/combat blades to chainaxes for free, but they have to be represented on the model. You'd want to do this, but it will take a little more effort. Forge World sells hands with pistols and axes, but I think your best bet would be to go with something like this. There're no hands attached so you'd be able to stick them on belts or butts or whatever like the combat knives that come with the MkIV marines and if you really want a guy holding one it's a simple conversion to drill through a hand and stick the axe in place.

Magnetization is cool and I've personally incorporated it into my army a fair bit. If you plan on running your marines as basic tacticals, there's no need to magnetize anything beyond the sergeant as they only have one load-out. If you wanted to, you could magnetize a few of them to let you swap arms around to count them as veterans instead. A power sword here, a plasma gun there, that sort of thing. The Pride of the Legion (terminators and vets can be taken as troops) Rite of War is a great starting point from Calth and you could probably get up to 1000 points if you went that route.

I would definitely recommend grabbing the basic legion book if nothing else. Army structure is a bit more like older editions of 40k and there are tons of generic unit options. World Eaters themselves have some great stuff like the Red Butchers (WS5 two wound terminators with power axes) and Angron is a complete beast. They also have Rampagers which are... not so great and a bunch of weird weapons that are situational at best.

Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Oct 19, 2016

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.
1d4 chan legiones astartes tactica provides a great overview even if the humour is a bit childish.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

DJ Dizzy posted:

(Emperor Rox, Horus Sux)

Mods please

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

Lord Twisted posted:

1d4 chan legiones astartes tactica provides a great overview even if the humour is a bit childish.

It's a bit sad but it really is the single most comprehensive look at 30K. It's a bit much to take in at once but its worth giving it a few reads. Unit breakdown starts here. World Eaters starts here. 30K has very few trap units (notably Destroyers and possibly Breachers) and lends itself much better to being a game where you can take whatever as Your Dudes and still have a competitive game.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

DJ Dizzy posted:

(Emperor Rox, Horus Sux)

I'm glad someone finally said it.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

adamantium|wang posted:

30K has very few trap units (notably Destroyers and possibly Breachers) and lends itself much better to being a game where you can take whatever as Your Dudes and still have a competitive game.

Nono. The other guy must play my power level or lower.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
WE dispoilers (tac squads with chainswords and pistols) are frightening by themselves due to volume of attacks, so even regular old tac Marines are pretty decent options for you. Throw some apothecaries ontop and it's just gravy... until you run into an ironfire list.

As for plasma pistols, I recommend everybody just price them at 5pts across the board. Makes them more viable. We also gave them ' specialist weapon ' which means they give your fist/claw/hammer dudes an extra attack. Nobody has complained yet.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Speaking of ironfire, how do I paint IW to not look like poo poo.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
It's easy. Paint them like Iron Hands

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

BULBASAUR posted:

It's easy. Paint them like Iron Hands

A reasoned, well-thought out response to my inquiry.

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo
For World Eaters, consider:

Red Butchers. Expensive, but really nasty. It'll run you about 500 points for 5 of them and a Land Raider to run them around in.

Despoilers - which is just a tactical squad with Chainaxe & Pistol. You can stick 20 of them in a Spartan with Kharn.
- Even better, make them Augmented Inductii by taking the special character Gahlan Surlak. That gives one tactical squad +1 str and FNP 6 with a -1 to their BS that you can safely ignore.
- Even better, put Gahlan Surlak in the Spartan with that squad, making them FNP 4. But he doesn't get along with other special characters so Kharn has to come out.
(This also gives you a re-roll against poison and a mini-feat that gives you +1 attacks at the cost of rolling to see if you just fall over dead from a heart attack at the end of any combat where you boost.)
- Even better, take that 20 large Inductii squad and run them in a Crimson Path Rite of War, which will make them FNP 3 when they are in the enemy's deployment area.

World Eaters always take a ton of punishment and the playstyle will have you butt clenching the first couple of turns as you rip models off the board. Then you make contact. Then everything dies.

I wish Kharn could take a jump pack so he could rock it with some assault marines.

Hencoe
Sep 4, 2012

MY LIFE GOAL IS TO STICK A FLESHLIGHT INTO THE END OF A HOWITZER AND FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF IT
Going to LVO and want to bring a list I'm going to have fun with (hence armored breakthrough) but don't want to go 0-6 either.
Since AK30k is still in its infancy I don't have a good measure on its actual effectiveness, although it looks solid on paper and has most things covered.

+++ Armored Company (2500pts) +++
++ Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Age of Darkness) (2500pts) ++

+ HQ (210pts) +
Master of Armour (210pts) [Armoured Breakthrough]
····Legion Sicaran Battle Tank (210pts) [Dozer Blade (5pts), Lascannons (40pts)]

+ Troops (400pts) +
Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (100pts)
····Legion Predator Tank (100pts) [Dozer Blade (5pts), Heavy Bolters (20pts)]

Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (100pts)
····Legion Predator Tank (100pts) [Dozer Blade (5pts), Heavy Bolters (20pts)]

Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (100pts)
····Legion Predator Tank (100pts) [Dozer Blade (5pts), Heavy Bolters (20pts)]

Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron (100pts)
····Legion Predator Tank (100pts) [Dozer Blade (5pts), Heavy Bolters (20pts)]

+ Fast Attack (285pts) +
Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron (55pts) [Legion Javelin Attack Speeder (55pts)]

Primaris-Lightning Strike Fighter (230pts) [Battle Servitor Control (15pts), Ground-tracking Auguries (10pts), 2x Two Kraken penetrator heavy missiles (70pts)]

+ Heavy Support (980pts) +
Legion Artillery Tank Squadron (160pts)
····Legion Medusa (160pts) [Dozer Blade (5pts)]

Legion Malcador Assault Tank (820pts)
····Legion Malcador Assault Tank (410pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Demolisher Cannon (35pts), Flare Shield (35pts), Lascannons (30pts), Multi-melta (15pts)]
····Legion Malcador Assault Tank (410pts) [Armoured Ceramite (20pts), Demolisher Cannon (35pts), Flare Shield (35pts), Lascannons (30pts), Multi-melta (15pts)]

+ Legion +
Legion Astartes [IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor]
+ Lord of War (625pts) +
Legion Glaive Special Weapons Tank (625pts)

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
That's a fun list. I want a Malcador as well.

You really want to find a way to put lascannons on those predators. I'd go so far as to say you only need 2 of them. Then use the other points to grab a vindicator with lasers or a venator.

Hencoe
Sep 4, 2012

MY LIFE GOAL IS TO STICK A FLESHLIGHT INTO THE END OF A HOWITZER AND FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF IT

BULBASAUR posted:

That's a fun list. I want a Malcador as well.

You really want to find a way to put lascannons on those predators. I'd go so far as to say you only need 2 of them. Then use the other points to grab a vindicator with lasers or a venator.

I could drop the javelin and dozer blade on thenmedusa and put lascannons on 3 of them, and drop 1 pred and the Multis on the malcadors for a laser vindicator?

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
Yeah, that's a good idea. The laser vindi is really good in those armoured company type lists. That or a dodo would round you out a bit better

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

DJ Dizzy posted:

Speaking of ironfire, how do I paint IW to not look like poo poo.

Honestly, I haven't painted Iron Warriors in years, but they were the easiest to paint because I just drybrush the silver onto a black basecoat, and then use a black wash, then a brown wash (focusing on the lower half). I painted the gold over the silver, so it's pretty easy really. The hazard stripes are a loving paint in the rear end, and I'm still terrible because I have a slight hand tremor due to being permanently wired on coffee. I'd probably just use an airbrush these days, but I could reliably crank out a squad of IW's in a day using my stupid dumb method that makes dudes look alright by my standards.

My original foray into HH was supposed to be Iron Warriors (actually when the Badab stuff came out, I picked up some MKIII when it first dropped while I was making my Tyrant's Legion), and my 40K army was actually IWs before I turfed them. These days I just have a small EC 3rd Company Elite force, which I find a ton more difficult to paint but I am over painting metallic marines forever.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
Burning of Prospero unboxing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY8mZaNR-Pg

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.




Couple of work in progress shots of the Bitchiest Primarch, Aurelian.

Does anyone have any ideas for using him in an actual list...? He's boss at psyker stuff but I'm trying to work out his niche. I guess with 5 GV in a Spartan, or some terminators also in a Spartan? Disembark, do some hoodoo voodoo, and then break loving heads?

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

For me the secret to painting hazard stripes well was using masking tape to create the sharp edges. My hands also shake too much to make straight lines well.



ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Yeah for big hazard stripes I just paint the non-black/non-red layer then mask and spray on black from a can. For smaller areas masking tape again but painting the base colour before painting black to avoid bleeding (thanks to a goon who I can't remember, maybe SRM or Bulbasaur).

The second method works best if you're doing battle damage with a sponge as you can hide mistakes that way.

For masking the small stuff, Tamiya does super thin masking tape rolls, or I just cut them myself.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
Are storm ravens around in 30k? Was taking a look at my vehicles and wondering which ones I can take in a 30k legion.

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



Lord Twisted posted:





Couple of work in progress shots of the Bitchiest Primarch, Aurelian.

Does anyone have any ideas for using him in an actual list...? He's boss at psyker stuff but I'm trying to work out his niche. I guess with 5 GV in a Spartan, or some terminators also in a Spartan? Disembark, do some hoodoo voodoo, and then break loving heads?

His basic statline makes him the second-weakest primarch in the game, but that doesn't account for his psyker powers. Cast whatever buffs you can on himself and his squad, and he can be one hell of a beast.

Stay away from Telekenisis powers, since he can punch harder than any of those spells can hurt enemies. Precognition is your workhorse, you'll want it active always.

Still not sure if he's worth his price tag when compared to other primarchs, but has a lot of potential if you get him in the right place.

Edit: Since I never really answered your question, taking him with Gal Vorbak in a Spartain will let you take on nearly anything, but will cost you easily a thousand points for a 6-man melee squad. With his ability to give a squad a 4+ inv save (and the GV naturally having a 5+) you'll want to take something thats normally fairly cheap and numerous to benefit the most from his buffing abilities. I feel like Veteran Tacticals, or even just regular Tacticals with combat weapons would be a better choice since you're getting more wounds and attacks per points, while being almost as survivable if you manage to cast Forewarning.

Fashionable Jorts fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Oct 21, 2016

tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Are storm ravens around in 30k? Was taking a look at my vehicles and wondering which ones I can take in a 30k legion.

Nope, just Storm Eagles. Gotta have that 20 man capacity to tote tac squads around.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
Panascope's hands shake violently because he's always mad

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Would someone be able to post some photos of Salamanders artwork from one of the books? I recall seeing a small, compressed image and it looks like the art shows their armour as vaguely metallic, like this Word Bearer, and I'd like to try and figure out a good colour to use to make a glaze.

Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



ijyt posted:

Would someone be able to post some photos of Salamanders artwork from one of the books? I recall seeing a small, compressed image and it looks like the art shows their armour as vaguely metallic, like this Word Bearer, and I'd like to try and figure out a good colour to use to make a glaze.





tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006

BULBASAUR posted:

Panascope's hands shake violently because he's always mad

Whenever my hands shake violently I just drink until they're steady again.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012


Sweet, thanks!

Hencoe
Sep 4, 2012

MY LIFE GOAL IS TO STICK A FLESHLIGHT INTO THE END OF A HOWITZER AND FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF IT

BULBASAUR posted:

Panascope's hands shake violently because he's always mad

Suddenly my own painting makes so much sense.

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.

Fashionable Jorts posted:

His basic statline makes him the second-weakest primarch in the game, but that doesn't account for his psyker powers. Cast whatever buffs you can on himself and his squad, and he can be one hell of a beast.

Stay away from Telekenisis powers, since he can punch harder than any of those spells can hurt enemies. Precognition is your workhorse, you'll want it active always.

Still not sure if he's worth his price tag when compared to other primarchs, but has a lot of potential if you get him in the right place.

Edit: Since I never really answered your question, taking him with Gal Vorbak in a Spartain will let you take on nearly anything, but will cost you easily a thousand points for a 6-man melee squad. With his ability to give a squad a 4+ inv save (and the GV naturally having a 5+) you'll want to take something thats normally fairly cheap and numerous to benefit the most from his buffing abilities. I feel like Veteran Tacticals, or even just regular Tacticals with combat weapons would be a better choice since you're getting more wounds and attacks per points, while being almost as survivable if you manage to cast Forewarning.

Cheers mate. I figured he's probably a white elephant but fluff wise he's quite cool.

Maybe a dreadclaw with a souped up honour guard.

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Fashionable Jorts
Jan 18, 2010

Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you



Lord Twisted posted:

Cheers mate. I figured he's probably a white elephant but fluff wise he's quite cool.

Maybe a dreadclaw with a souped up honour guard.

I say he's the (2nd) weakest of the primarchs, but at the end of the day he's still a primarch and will massacre anything that isn't another primarch. 5 attacks at str 8 ap 2 means he can deal with those nasty two-wound terminators with ease. If he got the Lorgar Transfigured ability for free, he would become a must-have for any word bearer army, but since he ties with a few for second most expensive primarch its hard to love him.

PS thats a sweet paint job

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