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Moral clarity and singleminded purpose in vietnam? Could you elaborate on that or am I missing  I definitely find posting here a relaxing experience compared to dissertation writing. Is this the densest poster to dissertation slave thread on the forums?
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we're definitely dense, all right
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:The only thing I don't like about Shattered Sword is how he talks constantly about how unreliable Japanese sources are but accepts the ones that back up his points without any qualifications. So your read on the IJN's CAP problems was "radar equipped pickets would fix this"?
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I thought Zeros weren't even equipped with radios, such that even if the IJN had dozens of Gearing-class DDs it still wouldn't have helped their CAP all that much if you can't direct the CAP to trouble-spots in real-time.
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lenoon posted:Moral clarity and singleminded purpose in vietnam? Could you elaborate on that or am I missing Well there's a literal grad students thread in SAL, gonna guess that one's denser.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:The only thing I don't like about Shattered Sword is how he talks constantly about how unreliable Japanese sources are but accepts the ones that back up his points without any qualifications. Japanese sources don't all look the same. He trashes the post-battle rear end-covering, and uses the records kept during the actual operations.
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Oct 19, 2016 13:15
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Ah, sovereign citizens, an amazing crazy bunch.
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Oct 19, 2016 13:22
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I'm disappointed. I was hoping they'd claim to be members of the HRE. Or would they be pretenders instead of sovereign citizens?
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gradenko_2000 posted:I thought Zeros weren't even equipped with radios, such that even if the IJN had dozens of Gearing-class DDs it still wouldn't have helped their CAP all that much if you can't direct the CAP to trouble-spots in real-time. It depends, according to some articles online. Now, I know some A6Ms didn't have radios, but apparently this was a pilot choice in order to save on weight (could've also been a squadron thing where only flight leads get radios). Early A6Ms also had short range radios of 50 miles (http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/gregspringer/radios/radio_systems.htm) quote:In ‘At Dawn We Slept’ Gordon Prange relates that one of the problems encountered in the IJN’s preparation for Pearl Harbor was that they had never operated fighters farther than 90 miles from their carriers. 50 miles was the practical limit of utility of the voice radios under optimum conditions.
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xthetenth posted:Japanese sources don't all look the same. He trashes the post-battle rear end-covering, and uses the records kept during the actual operations. i'm writing an article that mentions wittstock right now and sorting baner's accurate ideas from his wildly overblown estimate of how many of his enemies died during the retreat. and he won that fight, he isn't even trying to cover for a defeat, he's just (consciously or unconsciously--i mean, we all probably do this) saying stuff that makes him look better.
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Oct 19, 2016 13:28
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Rockopolis posted:I'm disappointed. I was hoping they'd claim to be members of the HRE. Or would they be pretenders instead of sovereign citizens?
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Oct 19, 2016 13:29
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if they write their name in all caps does it make them Electors?
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A good way to understand the HRE is this In childhood, a lot of kids come up with the idea of declaring independence and calling their room a sovereign nation. In the HRE, this was actually true from time to time.
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Oct 19, 2016 14:26
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lenoon posted:Moral clarity and singleminded purpose in vietnam? Could you elaborate on that or am I missing
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I just assumed the joke was that writing a dissertation is worse than Vietnam.
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david_a posted:I just assumed the joke was that writing a dissertation is worse than Vietnam. This guys.
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david_a posted:I just assumed the joke was that writing a dissertation is worse than Vietnam. yeah, My department is all kinds of messed up, but hey, I did actually graduate. And now I feel like I know enough to not make a total hash of the process the next time I have to get a PhD.  Jobs on the other hand are more like  , but I got a big stack of memoirs for light reading while filling out applications.But enough about grad school, more about ARVN. By the end of the war, they were actually fighting for home and family in the sense that pay was so bad due to hyper-inflation that soldiers' wives had to live by the base and work to keep their men and children from starving. Allegedly, a ARVN Colonel earned as much from his official salary as a shoe-shine boy in Saigon post-68, and wages for privates was basically starvation level. This had a nasty side effect that when the military situation became more mobile, as it did during the 1972 Easter offensive and the 1975 Ho Chi Minh offensive, whole ARVN units would refuse to defend their positions and instead hit the road to protect their family. ARVN's a fascinating case study in how not to professionalize a force, and I wish there was more relevant scholarship, or more people who mattered were paying attention. It's fair to expect them to be pretty bad in 1955 as a new force formed around the nucleus of French colonial forces. I recall reading that the French didn't promote Vietnamese out of NCO ranks, with perhaps the first experimental class of Vietnamese Lieutenants graduating as Dien Bien Phu fell. A bunch of ARVN officers were cycled through US training programs and ARVN was in some degree of combat more or less constantly, but the force didn't get any more competent. Observers (the reporter Neil Sheehan comes immediately to mind, but this was a common perception), said that Ngo Dinh Diem promoted officers on the basis of personal loyalty, and regarded taking casualties as disloyalty to himself and Vietnam.
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Biffmotron posted:ARVN's a fascinating case study in how not to professionalize a force, and I wish there was more relevant scholarship, or more people who mattered were paying attention. It's fair to expect them to be pretty bad in 1955 as a new force formed around the nucleus of French colonial forces. I recall reading that the French didn't promote Vietnamese out of NCO ranks, with perhaps the first experimental class of Vietnamese Lieutenants graduating as Dien Bien Phu fell. A bunch of ARVN officers were cycled through US training programs and ARVN was in some degree of combat more or less constantly, but the force didn't get any more competent. Observers (the reporter Neil Sheehan comes immediately to mind, but this was a common perception), said that Ngo Dinh Diem promoted officers on the basis of personal loyalty, and regarded taking casualties as disloyalty to himself and Vietnam. Isn't this just classic authoritarian states making sure the army is loyal instead of competent so they don't start a coup? Considering what happened later during the war this doesn't seem like a stupid move on Diem (and the leaders that followed on from him)'s part.
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Biffmotron posted:yeah, So what was your dissertation topic? Also good luck with th job market. It's beyond brutal.
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Does anyone know if there was ever a plan to break the stalemate of ww1 with say the royal navy dropping troops beyond the lines?
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That's basically the readers digest version of Churchill's Dardanelles idea. Edit: and his "soft underbelly of Europe" rehash 25 years later.
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I brought up a similar idea last thread(specifically for the Isonzo front), and people also pointed out the Salonika debacle to me.
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Elyv posted:I brought up a similar idea last thread(specifically for the Isonzo front), and people also pointed out the Salonika debacle to me. I think you're mixing up Salonika and Galipoli here.
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Fisher also had a half-baked plan for a huge invasion of the Pomeranian coast. Despite the fact it never went far in planning Fisher went ahead and built the Courageous class battlecruisers to support the invasion and man were those some poo poo ships.
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bewbies posted:Fisher also had a half-baked plan for a huge invasion of the Pomeranian coast. Despite the fact it never went far in planning Fisher went ahead and built the Courageous class battlecruisers to support the invasion and man were those some poo poo ships.
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General Haig spent the better part of three years dreaming of a Battle of Ypres that would involve a surprise amphibious landing of some sort, somewhere in the vague vicinity of Ostend and Zeebrugge, to tie in with a land advance on the rough line Roselare/Ghent/Antwerp. Even when he was right in the thick of planning and then directing* the Somme, he was taking regular meetings to discuss the possibilities. It's not a bad idea, necessarily, but it does look worryingly like the sort of over-ambitious thing Conrad von Hotzendorf might have thought up; and the Army commander would very probably have ended up being Hunter-Weston, because of course he had experience *for a given value of "directing" PS: skeleton blog update coming today or tomorrow
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It also doesn't help that amphibious landings are HARD especially on a logistical level. The successful ones are unimaginably strenuous undertakings and if they go south they go south really badly. I just have a hard time imagining any good coming of a WW1 attempt at d day.
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Cyrano4747 posted:It also doesn't help that amphibious landings are HARD especially on a logistical level. The successful ones are unimaginably strenuous undertakings and if they go south they go south really badly. Yeah they would have been in dieppe trouble!
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What amphibious landings have failed? The only examples I can think of are incredibly amero/euro-centric such as Dieppe (more of a failed raid?), Gallipoli (Though more a failed exploitation than landing) and the Bay of Pigs (CIA clusterfuck)
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Taerkar posted:What amphibious landings have failed? The only examples I can think of are incredibly amero/euro-centric such as Dieppe (more of a failed raid?), Gallipoli (Though more a failed exploitation than landing) and the Bay of Pigs (CIA clusterfuck)
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Taerkar posted:What amphibious landings have failed? The only examples I can think of are incredibly amero/euro-centric such as Dieppe (more of a failed raid?), Gallipoli (Though more a failed exploitation than landing) and the Bay of Pigs (CIA clusterfuck) The first attempted landing on Wake Island comes to mind. Germans also tried to take over some Finnish islands in 1944 but the attempt was halfcocked and fell apart when Finns didn't just surrender.
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Anzio was a total clusterfuck that could have gone worse as well.
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quote:James died shortly afterwards, leaving foreign policy in the hands of Charles, who rather naively assumed that if he followed the policy parliament had advocated, it would provide the funds for it. That was an inspired bit of wiki writing. 
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lenoon posted:Wele goelcerth wen yn fflamio Is it true that the English stole most of your people's vowels?
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Is it true that the English stole most of your people's vowels? Huh. If that's how it works, I wonder who stole ours.
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my dad posted:Huh. If that's how it works, I wonder who stole ours. Some Hungarian count who loving loved impaling dudes of course.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Anzio was a total clusterfuck that could have gone worse as well. This reminds me, why was Italy "one tough gut"? Was the Axis resistance much stronger than expected or was the Allied planning too idealistic? In general, while it's rarely talked about, when it is I always get the impression Italy was far more of a meatgrinder than western europe.
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spectralent posted:This reminds me, why was Italy "one tough gut"? Was the Axis resistance much stronger than expected or was the Allied planning too idealistic? In general, while it's rarely talked about, when it is I always get the impression Italy was far more of a meatgrinder than western europe. Many reasons all coming together including terrain, good solid fortifications and good old fashioned anglo-american command pissing contests.
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Welsh has more vowels than English - a e i o u w y. Some saesneg bullshit right there.
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Also, I thought fall was only a term Americans used to describe Autumn until I started seeing it pop up in Napoleonic memoirs for British soldiers. Turns out it has Saxon origins.
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