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Zephro posted:Sometimes if you spectate on a match on Jinteki.net you can see the player's hands, and sometimes you can't. Anyone know whether that's a bug or some kind of feature that I've been accidentally turning on and off? It's a feature, host decides whether or not to implement it.
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Oct 17, 2016 16:23
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The Lord of Hats posted:It's a feature, host decides whether or not to implement it. Could you multibox, playing a game as User and setting that feature to 'on,' then open up Jinteki in another window and spectate your own match to see the opponent's hand?
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Oct 17, 2016 16:39
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The Lord of Hats posted:It's a feature, host decides whether or not to implement it.
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Oct 17, 2016 17:32
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Could you multibox, playing a game as User and setting that feature to 'on,' then open up Jinteki in another window and spectate your own match to see the opponent's hand? Yeah. But that's just bad form. Just like you can 'forget' all sorts of things that aren't automated in Jnet. Plus, you can see who the spectators are. The setting is there for Jnet tournament streams and tourneys. I did enable the setting for all the Jnet league games I hosted, because I think it makes it more enjoyable for the person who is spectating.
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Oct 17, 2016 17:37
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Man I can't wait for Andy and (especially) Whizzard to rotate out. edit: in fact, meta moan incoming: Is there a way to make strategies other than FA and Rush reliable these days? Rumour Mill seems like it single-handedly makes glacier almost worthless just by including it in any deck that also runs money and breakers. Slums, Whizzard, Scrubber and Temujin make horizontal decks very very hard to play as well. Kill is very hard to pull off against modern super-rich runners. It's probably just me being A Bad Player but it really feels like top-level Corp deckbuilding is quite constrained by the sheer power of runners and all the various silver bullets they have access to, thanks to their less-restricted deckbuilding requirements. What am I missing? Zephro fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Oct 17, 2016 |
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Oct 17, 2016 22:26
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Corps were historically 45/55 underdogs to runners, I guess FF is fine just pushing that to 70/30
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Oct 17, 2016 22:49
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HB can still do glacier fairly decently due to exceedingly taxing ICE. The trick is that you ideally want to be running biotic labours and lateral growths in order to Fast advance to clear rumour mill, or just have a really taxing remote. I would argue that NEH FA is actually worse off than glacier is. The runner can control the board state exceedingly well because they can make a ton of money off of your open remotes. HB glacier now is very much about click-compressing the runner and ideally making sure that there isn't a server that costs less than 3 credits to break. The defensive upgrades are still good cards, because not every deck has rumour mill, and they still bait out blackmails from val. Rumour mill hurts, but I honestly think that HB Glacier and MVT CtM are probably the strongest decks in the meta right now. Corps are still fairly strong, but they require a much better reading of the board state than runners do, and have a much higher skill level to play I think. E: At the Great Lakes ANRPC last chance qualifiers on saturday, the corp/runner victory split was %53.7 Corp to 46.3% runner. berenzen fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Oct 17, 2016 |
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Oct 17, 2016 22:59
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berenzen posted:Yeah. But that's just bad form. Just like you can 'forget' all sorts of things that aren't automated in Jnet. Plus, you can see who the spectators are. The setting is there for Jnet tournament streams and tourneys. I did enable the setting for all the Jnet league games I hosted, because I think it makes it more enjoyable for the person who is spectating. As someone still new to the game introduced to it by a local gamer group recently - and that has checked out Jinteki a tiny bit - what isn't automated? Is there a list somewhere?
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Oct 17, 2016 23:02
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Jinteki.net automation status is typically kept up-to-date here Most of the stuff that isn't automated are things like recurring credits, on encounter effects of ICE and stuff that would be insanely difficult to code like media blitz or surveillance sweep. berenzen fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Oct 17, 2016 |
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Oct 17, 2016 23:04
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berenzen posted:HB can still do glacier fairly decently due to exceedingly taxing ICE. The trick is that you ideally want to be running biotic labours and lateral growths in order to Fast advance to clear rumour mill, or just have a really taxing remote. I would argue that NEH FA is actually worse off than glacier is. The runner can control the board state exceedingly well because they can make a ton of money off of your open remotes. HB glacier now is very much about click-compressing the runner and ideally making sure that there isn't a server that costs less than 3 credits to break. The defensive upgrades are still good cards, because not every deck has rumour mill, and they still bait out blackmails from val. Rumour mill hurts, but I honestly think that HB Glacier and MVT CtM are probably the strongest decks in the meta right now. Corps are still fairly strong, but they require a much better reading of the board state than runners do, and have a much higher skill level to play I think. Corp is a lot better right now than it was even a month ago due to Scarcity of Resources alone. Also a lot of high level players are in Worlds testing mode right now so there are some good decks coming down the pipeline that people are keeping quiet about. If I had to bet I'd say there are a few different tempo style yellow decks that are going to be all over Worlds/post-Worlds tourneys. Currents are strong on both sides, and News Hound is a great ICE when currents are in play.
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Oct 18, 2016 00:58
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Voodoofly posted:Corp is a lot better right now than it was even a month ago due to Scarcity of Resources alone. Also a lot of high level players are in Worlds testing mode right now so there are some good decks coming down the pipeline that people are keeping quiet about. If I had to bet I'd say there are a few different tempo style yellow decks that are going to be all over Worlds/post-Worlds tourneys. Currents are strong on both sides, and News Hound is a great ICE when currents are in play. As much as I'm in love-hate with NBN, I think that it's going to be criminal/NBN as the winning decklists. (I kinda hope, actually, so I can get a playset of full-art desperados and SSCG)
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Oct 18, 2016 01:37
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berenzen posted:As much as I'm in love-hate with NBN, I think that it's going to be criminal/NBN as the winning decklists. (I kinda hope, actually, so I can get a playset of full-art desperados and SSCG) Basically agree on all points, especially cool desperado.
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Oct 18, 2016 05:55
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berenzen posted:Jinteki.net automation status is typically kept up-to-date here Also, every paid ability window is not implemented in any way? There's plenty you just have to gentlemanly do according to the rules.
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Oct 18, 2016 09:06
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PosSibley posted:Also, every paid ability window is not implemented in any way? There's plenty you just have to gentlemanly do according to the rules. Also Netrunner is a small game and Jinteki is a passion project maintained entirely in people's spare time. Before it came along the only option for online play was OCTGN, in which almost nothing was automated and you had to memorise dozens of keyboard shortcuts just to play the game. It's kind of a miracle that we have it at all. In fact that reminds me, I should go donate some more money! quote:Corp is a lot better right now than it was even a month ago due to Scarcity of Resources alone. Also a lot of high level players are in Worlds testing mode right now so there are some good decks coming down the pipeline that people are keeping quiet about. If I had to bet I'd say there are a few different tempo style yellow decks that are going to be all over Worlds/post-Worlds tourneys. Currents are strong on both sides, and News Hound is a great ICE when currents are in play. http://www.acoo.net/anr-tournament/1363/uk-nationals-2016/ Runner representation in the top 30% was almost equal between the three factions. But Corp was 73% NBN, and that's with Astro at limit-1. It was 50% at the French nationals (57 players), 57% at the Reading GNK (21 players), 75% at a recent Bristol GNK (12 players), 80% at Aldershot (16 players) etc. They're my favourite Corp faction flavour-wise, but in the UK NBN feels at least as dominant, if not more so, than it was before it was supposedly nerfed by the second round of the MWL. edit: I guess my problem with Rumour Mill is that I feel it's just bad game design. Unlike PolOp, Councilman and so on there's no counterplay to a Runner that just plays it click 1 then runs your remote. Cards that say "you cannot do x" are almost always worse than cards that say "you can do x, but it'll cost you", because at least that allows for counterplay. Zephro fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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Oct 18, 2016 09:22
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Wonder if this means there's another big box coming?
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Oct 18, 2016 14:52
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Zephro posted:Wonder if this means there's another big box coming? Interesting, but I think it's more likely to be a draft pack.
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Oct 18, 2016 15:16
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GoneWithTheTornado posted:Interesting, but I think it's more likely to be a draft pack. Shouldn't the draft set have three product codes, for the starter, runner, and corp? Legitimately don't know how that's set. I did hear a rumor about playtesters having a rearranged Core Set (reprinted, no new cards) ahead of rotation. Apparently there was a Chaos Theory with a core set icon and a different set number. Wild speculation of something I've been rooting for.
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Oct 18, 2016 15:56
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Shouldn't the draft set have three product codes, for the starter, runner, and corp? Legitimately don't know how that's set.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:03
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Zephro posted:Wait, no new cards but Chaos Theory instead of Kate? Does that mean no never-before-printed cards, but a new playset of cards in the Core drawn from cards in existing datapacks? That would make sense, could smooth out some of the balance stuff by removing Kate, Yog, etc from the new core and having the old one rotate out. Then could also include some stuff like Plascrete or maybe even Jackson included in the new core to keep them from rotating. Or maybe rather than a "new" core set they'll just make a best-of pack that won't rotate, and keeps some of the stars of previously rotated cycles? Although that can kind of defeat the point of rotating in the first place.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:09
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CodfishCartographer posted:That would make sense, could smooth out some of the balance stuff by removing Kate, Yog, etc from the new core and having the old one rotate out. Then could also include some stuff like Plascrete or maybe even Jackson included in the new core to keep them from rotating. Or maybe rather than a "new" core set they'll just make a best-of pack that won't rotate, and keeps some of the stars of previously rotated cycles? Although that can kind of defeat the point of rotating in the first place. Zephro fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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Oct 18, 2016 16:17
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Shouldn't the draft set have three product codes, for the starter, runner, and corp? Legitimately don't know how that's set. Yeah there's been some ~hot scoops~ that there's a rebooted core set floating around with some of the original cards replaced
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Oct 18, 2016 16:23
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StashAugustine posted:Yeah there's been some ~hot scoops~ that there's a rebooted core set floating around with some of the original cards replaced Is NetRunner "spoiler season" more or less insufferable than Magic's spoiler season?
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Oct 18, 2016 16:29
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Fixing IDs is kinda hard because you'd have to replace the Core ID with something generic that doesn't require lots of support, but also isn't from a big box, I guess. I'd probably go with CT, Gabe, Reina, PE, Making News, BABW and ehh, maybe The Foundry?
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Oct 18, 2016 16:31
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IIRC the core set and genesis were designed before they knew things were gonna rotate, so for instance Criminal has no in faction decoder in Core.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:44
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Frankly, as said on Slack - I'd 100% be behind Core 2.0, even if it was to correct various minor things that aren't so much 'broken' as warp the space around them. Looking at you, Breaking News, ETF & Desperado.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:55
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I think the rumor was that only certain IDs have been replaced. Desperado makes me sad since it's such a good card that does a lot of good things and it's hard to nerf it without changing its role. Maybe make it stock up credits and only pay out over time?
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Oct 18, 2016 17:00
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Static Equilibrium posted:IIRC the core set and genesis were designed before they knew things were gonna rotate, so for instance Criminal has no in faction decoder in Core. Peacock was in a data pack, not core? What a pile of poo poo, drat. WLA rotating is going to hurt, peacock isn't even that bad, looking at it again. Tempora Mutantur fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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Oct 18, 2016 17:01
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Shockeh posted:Frankly, as said on Slack - I'd 100% be behind Core 2.0, even if it was to correct various minor things that aren't so much 'broken' as warp the space around them. Yeah. Also Noise, not because he's OP but because he's almost his own mini-faction and he warps the design space quite a lot
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Oct 18, 2016 17:40
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StashAugustine posted:I think the rumor was that only certain IDs have been replaced. My gut reaction is to just limit it to the first successful run of a turn, but I doubt that would really even nerf it much, since usually you don’t run more than once per turn. I guess you could limit it to only remotes / centrals?
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Oct 18, 2016 17:46
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Zephro posted:Scarcity seems good but only in the first few turns, right? If you don't see one until turn 8 and the Runner is mostly done with setup then it doesn't do much except add an ETR to News Hound, I'd have thought. Agree on NBN, though. The stats from UK Nationals (157 players, in August) are kind of revealing: Being good in just the first few turns is still strong, though. I think Targeted Marketing probably has more use in a pure control deck (or possibly a pure rush deck if you name a breaker) but if you are running a tempo deck, just trying to stay a couple clicks ahead of the runner to score throughout the game, then Scarcity can really prolong those scoring windows. Plus, just activating News Hound and/or killing an Employee Strike isn't the worst way to spend a buck and a card. NBN is going to be very well represented at the tourney. I think one of the biggest things pointing to it right now is I think there are 3 IDs that will definitely see wide play at Worlds (CTM, Sync, NEH), and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few Sol or Spark decks having decent results. No other faction has that much depth right now on either side of the game.
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Oct 18, 2016 18:53
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Spark was my favorite id because I'm a terrible winter orb player, but runners are so rich right now that it's just bad.
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Oct 18, 2016 18:59
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Zephro posted:Fixing IDs is kinda hard because you'd have to replace the Core ID with something generic that doesn't require lots of support, but also isn't from a big box, I guess. I'd probably go with CT, Gabe, Reina, PE, Making News, BABW and ehh, maybe The Foundry? Replace Noise with Whizzard  Reina's a reasonable choice, though Quetzal could also go in there to play up the 'Anarchs break Barriers' thing. Null is really tempting, but I feel like then you'd have to try and stick NFR in, and that's just too specific for the core set. On the corp side, I think you're stuck with ETF, unfortunately. Really, to me the rough thing is not being able to keep both CT and Kate.
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Oct 18, 2016 19:44
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Is NetRunner "spoiler season" more or less insufferable than Magic's spoiler season? Netrunner spoiler season is certainly more annoying because it's like an American election cycle, it has no beginning and just when it's about to end it all starts up again. At least with Magic there's downtime where you get to play with your new cards for 2~ months before the next standard set rather than always having to look forward to the next data pack.
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Oct 18, 2016 22:00
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Edit: actually, never mind
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Oct 18, 2016 22:38
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Stronger Together could be an interesting replacement for ETF but I think The Foundry makes the most sense (other than leaving ETF alone, you monsters) in terms of synergizing with ABT and being mostly ice neutral/independent of most cards.
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Oct 18, 2016 23:00
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Goon League 2 is up!
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While we're making Core 2.0 wish lists, I think a 3/2 for every faction would be good since it would help keep never-advance viable after rotation. ABT is already in the core; swap Astro for Beale; add Atlas. Jinteki could maybe do without one since Medical Breakthrough sort of fills the role and is in H&P, plus Braintrust is really bad, plus Nisei Mk 2 is great.
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Oct 19, 2016 09:27
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The suggestion on Slack was to give every Corp one 3/2, in the form of a Project, and to make it so all Projects: A. Had the Subtype 'Project' and; B. You may only include three 'Project' cards in your deck. That way they can print new ones further down the line without making another Fastrotrain, and people can choose which Project they want to include.
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Oct 19, 2016 11:53
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The only trouble is that involves printing new cards. If the rumours are true it seems they're trying to avoid that for the new Core so that existing players don't have to rebuy their Cores.
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Also I think Merger is their strategy for 3/2s now. They're available, but they're nerfed considerably. This makes HB stand out as having 6 available 3/2s post-rotation, with 4 for NBN and 4 for Jinteki (6 if you count the 2nd and 3rd Medical Breakthrough). If there are any future 3/2s I expect them to come with significant downsides. With that said, now that Astro is 1-of and Merger is such a liability, I would be happy for SanSan City Grid to come off the MWL. SanSanning a Beale is a legit play and kinda pricy. It was just the SanSan into Astro token that made FA so annoyingly brutal.
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