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Neat, Gideon and Chandra, Flamecaller will be legal longer, and it's nice to do it now with a set that doesn't have THAT many cards that're played in Standard, so they won't be overbearing. Inagine if they did this last year and, surprise, here's six more months of fetching and Seige Rhino's.
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En Fuego posted:I'm still confused No cards drop out of standard until we're done in Egypt. Then everything before Kaladesh goes away together. (six more months of aetherworks marvel)
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Oct 19, 2016 16:06
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Mystic Mongol posted:No cards drop out of standard until we're done in Egypt. Then everything before Kaladesh goes away together. Yeah I feel like they buried the lead there, they talk about how Kaladesh is going to be Standard for 24 months, but not how this extends Battle for Zendikar by 6 months since Amonkhet won't cause a rotation.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:11
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Sickening posted:I agree with this all the way. gently caress short rotations and the money grab. It wasn't good for players. The shorter rotations was supposed to keep the price of standard down though...
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Oct 19, 2016 16:11
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mcmagic posted:The shorter rotations was supposed to keep the price of standard down though... And the logic was terrible. How in earth was that ever suppose to make standard cheaper at all?
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Oct 19, 2016 16:13
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Ahahaha I knew it. I told everyone I knew they would go back to this after people just stopped playing standard and went to eternal formats instead of bullshit 6mo rotations.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:16
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Chill la Chill posted:Ahahaha I knew it. I told everyone I knew they would go back to this after people just stopped playing standard and went to eternal formats instead of bullshit 6mo rotations. IMO people should still stop playing standard and move to eternal formats
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Oct 19, 2016 16:23
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Sickening posted:And the logic was terrible. How in earth was that ever suppose to make standard cheaper at all? Because the cards were usable for less time and therefore should be cheaper. I actually think it worked. Standard is pretty cheap right now.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:24
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It seems cheap now but then you have to rebuy a bunch of stuff. I guess those are the opposing forces.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:25
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mcmagic posted:Because the cards were usable for less time and therefore should be cheaper. I actually think it worked. Standard is pretty cheap right now. Not having $80 Jace in Standard also helps.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:25
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mcmagic posted:Because the cards were usable for less time and therefore should be cheaper. I actually think it worked. Standard is pretty cheap right now. The problem with this reasoning is that magic cards don't follow any normal rational market rules like that and even if they did there's still a ton of other factors that influence the price more than length of standard legality
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Oct 19, 2016 16:27
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Cactrot posted:Not having $80 Jace in Standard also helps. I don't think you will ever have another 80 dollar card in standard.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:28
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mcmagic posted:Because the cards were usable for less time and therefore should be cheaper. I actually think it worked. Standard is pretty cheap right now. I don't know the exact numbers but I'd wager that having to buy new cards twice as often offset any cheaper cards. Plus standard is about as expensive now as it was before khans ever came around.
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mcmagic posted:Because the cards were usable for less time and therefore should be cheaper. I actually think it worked. Standard is pretty cheap right now. Which is canceled out by needing to buy a totally new set of cards to replace the ones that are no longer standard legal. Although its probably never going to happen, sets needs to be more than 3 months apart. The first month of any set release is dumb with prices being super inflated. You get a good solid month of prices being lower and more consistent then before you know it you are in the last few weeks of the next set being out and people not wanting to play standard events because its all about to change again. mcmagic posted:I don't think you will ever have another 80 dollar card in standard. The next time they print a modern staple at mythic in standard.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:29
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This also means 6 more months of typed duals in standard, which greatly decreases the odds of them reprinting the rest of the fetches in amonkhet, if there was ever a chance of that happening. Hopefully they'll do it in a supplemental set so I can buy tarns.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:32
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The 7/8 set Pro Tours are going to be extremely repetitive/boring unless they bring back another format to the Pro Tour.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:32
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Sickening posted:The next time they print a modern staple at mythic in standard. noted $80 card Grim Flayer
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Oct 19, 2016 16:33
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Elyv posted:noted $80 card Grim Flayer f,b
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Oct 19, 2016 16:37
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mcmagic posted:I don't think you will ever have another 80 dollar card in standard. Lili is already halfway there, I don't think it will go as high as Jace did, but Standard is only cheap if you avoid certain cards.
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Boco_T posted:The 7/8 set Pro Tours are going to be extremely repetitive/boring unless they bring back another format to the Pro Tour. Like a previous poster said, I bet this change is to combat moderns popularity in the face of all the negative modern articles and its vacancy in the pro tour. So either you give the public what it wants and print more modern sets or you make standard less volatile. Elyv posted:noted $80 card Grim Flayer As much as I like grim flayer in modern personally, its not a card you build a deck around and not even a guaranteed include in the decks it sees play in. The fact that its 16 bucks says more to modern propping up the price than anything. Sickening fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Oct 19, 2016 16:38
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Turn 4 Ulamogs for a full year!
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Cactrot posted:Lili is already halfway there, I don't think it will go as high as Jace did, but Standard is only cheap if you avoid certain cards. You can get a Liliana for 30 bucks on TCG right now, it's the most expensive card in standard by a lot and it's not even heavily played.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:41
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Boco_T posted:The 7/8 set Pro Tours are going to be extremely repetitive/boring unless they bring back another format to the Pro Tour. Welcome back Modern
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Sickening posted:Like a previous poster said, I bet this change is to combat moderns popularity in the face of all the negative modern articles and its vacancy in the pro tour. So either you give the public what it wants and print more modern sets or you make standard less volatile. Pretty much everyone I knew who was in Uni started to trade for modern when the 6mo announcement was made. And that's a huge chunk of their core market. The terrible, terrible standard the past year didn't help things. So the damage is already done, but hey maybe a few will come back but with huge reluctance since who really wants to trade eternal format cards into standard again?
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Oct 19, 2016 16:43
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:There are six blue goblins. The first was Razorfin Hunter. Fact: Goblin Flectomancer is the best of the blue goblins.
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Oct 19, 2016 16:44
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It's funny to me that the justification was "standard will be cheaper" and "people won't get bored with the decks" but after the announcement it seemed like a lot of people more less said "well i guess I am done with standard" and just packed it up and moved to playing modern or EDH or another format.
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mcmagic posted:You can get a Liliana for 30 bucks on TCG right now, it's the most expensive card in standard by a lot and it's not even heavily played. Which is baffling because its currently not positioned well in standard and hasn't been more of a 2 off in modern at all. It is a 3 cmc lily however and people are holding on to her like a fart in a packed room. I have 1 currently and I am not spending 30 bucks on her right now. She doesn't deserve to be over 20.
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Chill la Chill posted:Pretty much everyone I knew who was in Uni started to trade for modern when the 6mo announcement was made. And that's a huge chunk of their core market. The terrible, terrible standard the past year didn't help things. So the damage is already done, but hey maybe a few will come back but with huge reluctance since who really wants to trade eternal format cards into standard again? How many standards haven't been terrible in the last 4 years? I would think people would be somewhat used to it by now.
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I don't play Standard but this seems really premature to walk back right now. DTK/ORI rotating was supposed to be the first iteration of this 18 month rotation cycle, and then it gets scrapped a week or two later? I'm wondering if they just looked at everything that's happened over the last year or so and decided that Masterpieces were a better way to drive down the cost of in-print cards, instead of limiting their time in Standard.
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TheKingofSprings posted:How many standards haven't been terrible in the last 4 years? I would think people would be somewhat used to it by now. Milling each other out with psychic spirals or drownyards was cool and good, actually.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Welcome back Modern Hello again January modern bannings?
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https://twitter.com/JeffHoogland/status/788760168343404544
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As someone who follows standard but doesn't play it this is bad news. For someone on the treadmill buying cards knowing they'll drop to oblivion six months sooner I could see why they wouldn't bother. Their justification that people felt out of touch and couldn't keep up for that reason is obviously bogus.
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mcmagic posted:The shorter rotations was supposed to keep the price of standard down though... It does in some senses, but having to buy cards twice as often because your entire old deck stopped being legal completely eliminated that. This isn't a decision they make where they care how the invested players think about it. Clearly Standard attendance was falling at a rate they considered alarming and that was the reason why. Anecdotal evidence agrees.
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Sickening posted:I agree with this all the way. gently caress short rotations and the money grab. It wasn't good for players. I wonder if Wizards would have banned anything if Bant Company had the chance to stick around for six more months.
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Angry Grimace posted:It does in some senses, but having to buy cards twice as often because your entire old deck stopped being legal completely eliminated that. This isn't a decision they make where they care how the invested players think about it. Clearly Standard attendance was falling at a rate they considered alarming and that was the reason why. This is probably the reason. However, it's horrible reasoning on their part, since this also coincided with the most expensive standard format on record. Were people really leaving because of rotation, or was it because they were sick of $75 Jace being in every deck if they wanted to be competitive? I'm not saying they're necessarily wrong, just that they can't prove that one caused the other when there is the enormous factor of fetchlands warping the price of standard manabases, for example, and I wish they had the patience to see how this block shakes out in terms of reducing that barrier to entry.
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Can confirm that 6 month rotations made me pretty much stop giving a poo poo about Standard at all once my playset of Companies rotated and make a Modern deck instead, and I am pumped to get off the Treadmill.
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Voyager I posted:Can confirm that 6 month rotations made me pretty much stop giving a poo poo about Standard at all once my playset of Companies rotated and make a Modern deck instead, and I am pumped to get off the Treadmill. I've been doing something similar, when I do play Standard I just play wacky cheap things. Then what remains of my magic budget goes towards modern pieces, at this point I've ended up with a good number of Modern decks.
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Yeah again anecdotally but standard reverting to once a year rotations makes me actually interested in getting back into it so there might be something to their logic
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