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XYZ has a new favorite as of 21:49 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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Slanderer posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXHQvJkfy8o nice ongoing meltdown
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 21:48 |
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Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore...
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 23:01 |
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Light Gun Man posted:Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore... No, because those were interlaced.
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 23:06 |
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Light Gun Man posted:Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore...
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 23:19 |
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Light Gun Man posted:Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore... More like color vs black and white films.
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 23:24 |
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Light Gun Man posted:Wouldn't scanline logic apply to TV shows then too? Because obviously they were made for the same device, therefore... I wonder if there is an equivalent form of this madness for films, in which people take perfectly-good Blu Ray transfers of old films and then add 3:2 pulldown and telecine distortion or something to get that "authentic" old TV broadcast look and feel fake edit: actually this idea is so dumb that it's actually good and I'm 100% on board
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 23:26 |
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I've never been super concerned about emulator "accuracy" but this has been a really cool discussion. A little while back Sega updated their PC Genesis emulator with a couple extra filter options and one of them adds a curve effect....that really looks bad if I'm being honest. You can set a degree of curveness (for lack of a better term) but anything over the bare minimum just looks ridiculous. I get what they're going for-CRT TVs were curved. But this filter just distorts it. Have you ever seen a filter that attempted this and actually did it well?
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 23:29 |
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Humerus posted:I've never been super concerned about emulator "accuracy" but this has been a really cool discussion. A little while back Sega updated their PC Genesis emulator with a couple extra filter options and one of them adds a curve effect....that really looks bad if I'm being honest. You can set a degree of curveness (for lack of a better term) but anything over the bare minimum just looks ridiculous. I get what they're going for-CRT TVs were curved. But this filter just distorts it. Have you ever seen a filter that attempted this and actually did it well? I've never seen this work on a flat screen. VR implementations of that kind of thing like NewRetroArcade map the video output to a texture on actual geometry, which consequently gives the virtual display real stereoscopy and parallax. The resolution of current headsets is poor enough that it's more of a hindrance to legibility due to aliasing, but it's easy to foresee it improving as HMDs get better.
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 23:37 |
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Well those filters in the Sega collection were designed first for VR and second for flat screens, so it makes a little sense that it looks bad on a monitor.
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# ? Oct 19, 2016 23:54 |
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Elliotw2 posted:Well those filters in the Sega collection were designed first for VR and second for flat screens, so it makes a little sense that it looks bad on a monitor. Have they outright said that they're going to enable VR in that thing? It runs on Unity so it wouldn't be too hard to implement I guess.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 01:20 |
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I plug my supernintendo into a 75" OLED screen and then just smear conflict-free vaseline all over the screen for that authentic bespoke artisanal retro vintage look, like how it's meant to be
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 02:02 |
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I plug my unmodded NES into a 50" flatscreen and it looks about what I expect an NES game to look like I've probably smoked too much weed to accurately remember anything past 15 minutes ago anyway
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 03:02 |
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I still have my 19" 1280x1024 LCD from 2005 and I can't wait to use it (set to a 4:3 ratio of course) with one of those new Nintendo Minis coming out next month.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 04:07 |
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I used this for my gaming needs right up until the PS2 era. Small, but probably the best thing for old consoles I know of. I regret passing it on to a nephew when I got a PS2 and started using my awesome for the day 27" JVC TV.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 04:52 |
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I remember plugging in a bunch of different analog output consoles into the broadcast monitors we had in high school and being over the awesome colors and quality. Never once did I wish the quality was shittier.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 08:40 |
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Nice 1702, probably the best monitor for oldschool computers and consoles. The only drawback is the size, really.Wasabi the J posted:I remember plugging in a bunch of different analog output consoles into the broadcast monitors we had in high school and being over the awesome colors and quality. The point is not to make the image shittier. The point is to make it look like it's supposed to look on the monitor technology the hardware was built around. As with everything, some nerds have a tendency to exaggerate, because they can.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 08:57 |
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Slanderer posted:I wonder if there is an equivalent form of this madness for films, in which people take perfectly-good Blu Ray transfers of old films and then add 3:2 pulldown and telecine distortion or something to get that "authentic" old TV broadcast look and feel Are you retarded? A little slow perhaps? Old videogames were literally designed with CRT blur in mind. There are graphic effects (semi-transparent colors, "extra" colors created by artifacting) that look absolutely terrible without blur. Lack of CRT artifacts can make a game nearly unplayable Your example is stupid because films were meant to be played on a projector and the quality had to be lowered for TV (CRT emulation doesn't lower the quality of old games). A better example would be old TV shows, that absolutely were shot with TV in mind, on TV friendly media, at TV resolutions, and they do look terrible upscaled for HDTV
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 10:55 |
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Geez the derail is still going? It's almost worse than the regular mp3 player derail. Here's a cool palate cleanser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsUjWKayoGo Humphreys has a new favorite as of 11:56 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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KozmoNaut posted:Nice 1702, probably the best monitor for oldschool computers and consoles. The only drawback is the size, really. I honestly think they're trolling, because no one can be that retarded.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 12:27 |
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Why is this thread so mean
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 12:42 |
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flosofl posted:I honestly think they're trolling, because no one can be that retarded. This is Something Awful. GBS and BYOB shitposters seem to labor under the illusion that they can interact in meaningful ways with normal human beings. bad posts ahead!!! posted:Why is this thread so mean Being nice is outdated and failed. E: Also, 0:44 in this video. It looks like the upcoming NES Classic will have a reasonably faithful CRT filter, jagged sprites and all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62bI0zItF6g&t=44s KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 14:30 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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I came across a giant 32 inch (oe bigger?) RCA CRT made in 2000. Even has an S-Video port on it. Thought of this thread.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 15:11 |
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Johnny Aztec posted:I came across a giant 32 inch (oe bigger?) RCA CRT made in 2000. Even has an S-Video port on it. Thought of this thread. Did you find it on a curb somewhere in the Midwest? Because I just put one out for someone else to claim and it disappeared in short order. I'd have loved to have kept it, but there just wasn't room when I finished packing, so it had to go. I'm sure it's making some hillbilly happy, resting atop his broken console TV
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 15:32 |
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Sorry if it's already been brought up, but the little NES Classic that Nintendo's releasing next month ships with three display modes: square pixels with no postprocessing, a 4:3 mode that slightly stretches out the screen since apparently the originals weren't quite 4:3, and a "CRT" mode that emulates blur and scanlines. I'm sure someone will find something to bitch about with that last mode re: it not doing the emulation "right", but the people who care really really hard about it are probably not the people who should be buying a console with no capacity to play anything other than the games preloaded onto it.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 15:56 |
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hackbunny posted:Are you retarded? A little slow perhaps? Old videogames were literally designed with CRT blur in mind. There are graphic effects (semi-transparent colors, "extra" colors created by artifacting) that look absolutely terrible without blur. Lack of CRT artifacts can make a game nearly unplayable I wasn't talking about blur dumbass, but about people deliberately making their stuff look lovely with unnatural scanlines. Shut up lol
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 16:22 |
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Phy posted:Sorry if it's already been brought up, but the little NES Classic that Nintendo's releasing next month ships with three display modes: square pixels with no postprocessing, a 4:3 mode that slightly stretches out the screen since apparently the originals weren't quite 4:3, and a "CRT" mode that emulates blur and scanlines. I added the video to my post above, from that quick glance it looks pretty good, not too heavy-handed. And yes, the NES PPU outputs a 256x240 image, which is an aspect ratio 16:15. This gets stretched to 4:3 by the TV, so you get slightly elongated pixels. And even then, that's still not the full answer, because some of it gets cut off by overscan. I assume the NES Classic will be close enough that only the nerdiest of nerds will care whether it's 100% accurate. I'm happy as long as the games themselves run like the originals with no (added) glitches.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 16:26 |
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Did you find it on a curb somewhere in the Midwest? Because I just put one out for someone else to claim and it disappeared in short order. I'd have loved to have kept it, but there just wasn't room when I finished packing, so it had to go. I'm sure it's making some hillbilly happy, resting atop his broken console TV Haha no. in a storage unit I bought. I'm just happy it wasn't a Triniton.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 16:32 |
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It's a widescreen, I assume? A 32" 4:3 would be amazing and gigantic.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 16:46 |
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And so, so heavy.
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Johnny Aztec posted:Haha no. in a storage unit I bought. I'm just happy it wasn't a Triniton. Content: Was I the only dumbass who bought a Lightscribe drive? Lightscribe was this super rad technology from HP circa 2004 that allowed you to use the laser in your optical drive to "burn" labels onto compatible discs. It sucked balls. Even a freshly-burned disc looked faded from the start, and it seemed like they faded more and more with each passing day. I remember them sending out tech memos about the fading, explaining that exposure to heat, cold, moisture, dryness, physical contact, lack of physical contact, air, vacuum, and existential conundrums would accelerate the fading. I found a stack of them while cleaning out the attic for a move last week and could barely tell what images they were supposed to have on them. Curiously enough, a CD full of techno fared far better than the others (the gently caress was I thinking), and the image from an old SA thread of a 3D rendered Captain America wearing shoes made of infants was still visible (the gently caress was I thinking). I don't think HP supports the sick-nasty technology these days, and I had to pay seven goddamn dollars to the recycling center to dispose of the machine it was in and that lovely drive.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 16:53 |
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KozmoNaut posted:It's a widescreen, I assume? I've seen a couple of Sony Trinitrons like that when I've been in the US and checking out retro gaming stores. They are AMAZING, and probably about 300 lbs.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Was I the only dumbass who bought a Lightscribe drive? Probably. I had one on my first laptop circa 2006, but it came with the machine so I didn't pay extra. I was always curious about it but apparently you needed special CDs to use it so I never bothered. Good to know I wasn't missing out on much.
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Was I the only dumbass who bought a Lightscribe drive? I didn't buy it for that feature, but the optical drive in my last desktop supported Lightscribe. I got some (relatively) okay results using it for some GBS mix-CD exchanges a while back, but I didn't realize they had such a longevity problem. I'll have to dig around and see if I have any leftover copies to check out. Lightscribe generally seemed like a solution in search of a problem. I mean, it's neat if you want to give a burned disc as part of a gift or something, but how often did that ever happen? For a disc I'm making for my own use, I'm going to grab a Sharpie and scrawl a title as quickly as possible, not sit around for 10–20 minutes waiting for Lightscribe.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 17:08 |
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:I used this for my gaming needs right up until the PS2 era. A 1702 served me very well as a child, first doing its intended job as a monitor for our VIC-20, then it served as my bedroom TV using a VCR as a tuner. NES looked nice, even though because I didn't know any better, it was hooked up via RF.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 17:12 |
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GOTTA STAY FAI posted:Curiously enough, a CD full of techno fared far better than the others (the gently caress was I thinking), and the image from an old SA thread of a 3D rendered Captain America wearing shoes made of infants was still visible (the gently caress was I thinking). Well don't loving leave us hanging, post that lovely 2005-era techno and whatever the gently caress is on the Something Awful disc.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 17:34 |
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XYZ posted:A 1702 served me very well as a child, first doing its intended job as a monitor for our VIC-20, then it served as my bedroom TV using a VCR as a tuner. NES looked nice, even though because I didn't know any better, it was hooked up via RF. Depending on which NES you had, RF may have been your only option.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 17:36 |
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hackbunny posted:Your example is stupid because films were meant to be played on a projector and the quality had to be lowered for TV (CRT emulation doesn't lower the quality of old games). A better example would be old TV shows, that absolutely were shot with TV in mind, on TV friendly media, at TV resolutions, and they do look terrible upscaled for HDTV A better example would be things like the recent HD/widescreen conversions of shows that were never designed to be seen in widescreen. Stuff like how in the widescreen version of Buffy you can just seen extras and occasionally crew just chillin' because they're technically out of the shot.
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# ? Oct 20, 2016 18:04 |
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KozmoNaut posted:Depending on which NES you had, RF may have been your only option. Front loader.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Well don't loving leave us hanging, post that lovely 2005-era techno and whatever the gently caress is on the Something Awful disc. All techno sounds the same so just imagine beeps and boops and a bassline The Captain America half of this image was what was on it so it sort of looked like this with the center hole where his dick is I've done lots of dumb things for the internet but I'm not driving 1,100 miles to a garbage dump to dig for a CD I threw away a week ago so that will have to do, lo siento
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