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Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I was wondering when currently straight white males were going to start being bi to harvest LGBT status. Didn't think it'd be NDP.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/ndp-candidate-reveals-bisexuality-after-questions-over-party-s-equity-rule-1.3811299

My diversity!!

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Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

You all made fun of the RCMP for trying to invent the GAYDAR, where are you now to defend the hordes of possibly bi men stealing our legislative positions?

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

Brannock posted:

Do you think Mulcair and the platform he presented would have been better?

Yes, because we would have proportional representation.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

THC posted:

Cool biphobia. Got any other rad opinions to contribute?

3 is the magic number. Not two. Not one, not four. Two is dumb, it's just two ones. As a professional expert pedant, I love that the bi loophole exists. A white guy born to white parents grows up privileged, parents pay university where they meet more white people and network and get hired by other white people. Marry a white lady, have a white kid. The privileged white man decides he wants to make the world more progressive for other people but alas he is blocked by the progressive party's policy. Wait, a loophole. Despite being in a monogamous loving relationship, he hasn't completely written off the idea of a relationship with another man, maybe down the road, who knows, he's not a wizard. As a bi man, the NDP now qualifies him as an equity deserving group. Congratulations bi man, gently caress the haters. And he really is underrepresented. I can name lots of gay politicians and straight politicians but I can't think of a single one who identifies as bi.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
This is getting into weird, bi-erasure territory. Maybe y'all can stick some electrodes to his dick and see if it moves when he's near a sexy otter.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy
I can see how the woman in a wheelchair might question how the married white guy qualifies as a minority.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Postess with the Mostest posted:

3 is the magic number. Not two. Not one, not four. Two is dumb, it's just two ones. As a professional expert pedant, I love that the bi loophole exists. A white guy born to white parents grows up privileged, parents pay university where they meet more white people and network and get hired by other white people. Marry a white lady, have a white kid. The privileged white man decides he wants to make the world more progressive for other people but alas he is blocked by the progressive party's policy. Wait, a loophole. Despite being in a monogamous loving relationship, he hasn't completely written off the idea of a relationship with another man, maybe down the road, who knows, he's not a wizard. As a bi man, the NDP now qualifies him as an equity deserving group. Congratulations bi man, gently caress the haters. And he really is underrepresented. I can name lots of gay politicians and straight politicians but I can't think of a single one who identifies as bi.

i dont think this is a real thing

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
Grandma's emails are certainly getting complex.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I was wondering when currently straight white males were going to start being bi to harvest LGBT status. Didn't think it'd be NDP.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/ndp-candidate-reveals-bisexuality-after-questions-over-party-s-equity-rule-1.3811299

Identity politics move for the white male family man :golfclap:

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Postess with the Mostest posted:

3 is the magic number. Not two. Not one, not four. Two is dumb, it's just two ones. As a professional expert pedant, I love that the bi loophole exists. A white guy born to white parents grows up privileged, parents pay university where they meet more white people and network and get hired by other white people. Marry a white lady, have a white kid. The privileged white man decides he wants to make the world more progressive for other people but alas he is blocked by the progressive party's policy. Wait, a loophole. Despite being in a monogamous loving relationship, he hasn't completely written off the idea of a relationship with another man, maybe down the road, who knows, he's not a wizard. As a bi man, the NDP now qualifies him as an equity deserving group. Congratulations bi man, gently caress the haters. And he really is underrepresented. I can name lots of gay politicians and straight politicians but I can't think of a single one who identifies as bi.

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Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
I'll try again. This is undemocratic and deserves mockery

quote:

The party has a policy requiring any departing MLA to be replaced by a woman or "equity-seeking candidate," including racial minorities, Indigenous people, and members of the LGBTQ community.

You're going to automatically disqualify the next David Eby or Jack Layton or Abraham Lincoln just because of their skin color and sexual orientation. Politics should be about ideas, not identity. If that policy is okay, it would also be okay to just scrap the voting entirely and nominate whoever has the most diversity points. I say Gerry Taft is completely correct to use a ridiculous loophole to get around a ridiculous policy.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

If you're the next Abraham Lincoln, you might just have the political chops to take out an incumbent Liberal.

There's no requirement or expectation that internal party processes be democratic.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan
Besides, everyone knows Abraham Lincoln was gay and also had aspergers and dyslexia and marfan and morgellons.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Postess with the Mostest posted:

I'll try again. This is undemocratic and deserves mockery


You're going to automatically disqualify the next David Eby or Jack Layton or Abraham Lincoln just because of their skin color and sexual orientation. Politics should be about ideas, not identity. If that policy is okay, it would also be okay to just scrap the voting entirely and nominate whoever has the most diversity points. I say Gerry Taft is completely correct to use a ridiculous loophole to get around a ridiculous policy.

If Canada didn't do a really mediocre job of representation in parliaments, you might have a point, but the odds are definitely stacked towards us white dudes.

Plus it's just for incumbent seats for a party that has lots of other ridings you could run in.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Jordan7hm posted:

If Canada didn't do a really mediocre job of representation in parliaments, you might have a point, but the odds are definitely stacked towards us white dudes.

You can always come up with a reason that sounds valid to discriminate by skin/race/sexpref/gender, you just shouldn't do it. Our current fptp system doesn't even elect representatives proportional to who we voted for. Let's fix that first and then try to engineer a solution to electing reps proportional to what we look like, what dangly bits we have and what we like to do with them. The BCNDP won't be able to change any representation above their party level if their voters get annoyed by their discriminatory internal practices. There's no reason they need to do this to beat Christy Clark, it seems like cliche provincial NDP overengineering that leads to non-stop provincial Liberals.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

This diversity rule applies in six (6) ridings, out of the 56 without an incumbent running for reelection.

JawKnee
Mar 24, 2007





You'll take the ride to leave this town along that yellow line
What the gently caress? Why didn't anybody tell me systemic racism, sexism, and discrimination were over?! I bet the party was rad and I missed it :(

peter banana
Sep 2, 2008

Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

JawKnee posted:

What the gently caress? Why didn't anybody tell me systemic racism, sexism, and discrimination were over?! I bet the party was rad and I missed it :(

pssh. It's not that it's solved, it's that there's something else more important to work on now. As determined by someone who has probably never been second-guessed in a position of authority due to his race, gender or sexual orientation. Another thing so important that we can't even make incremental progress on political equity!

Once we figure out all the other problems then we can get to representing women and non-whites proportionally in their government. Just hold your horses, sweet tits.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Pinterest Mom posted:

This diversity rule applies in six (6) ridings, out of the 56 without an incumbent running for reelection.

If it's a good rule, apply it everywhere. If it's bad, scrap it. Saying that it only applies to 10% isn't really any argument.

quote:

Taft can be commended for having the courage to come out and declare himself bisexual. But he should have been prepared to do that from the outset, when he filed his nomination papers and sought “equity-seeking” status. Refusing to be transparent — for whatever reason — made a mockery of his party’s special mandate.

The policy may be well-intentioned, but in practice, it can seem absurd.

North of Invermere, in the provincial riding of Skeena, there’s another NDP nomination battle brewing. Four candidates have thrown their hats into the ring, seeking to replace outgoing NDP MLA Robin Austin as their party’s candidate. All four meet the equity-seeking criteria, apparently. Two are women, one of whom is from a First Nation.

Two other candidates are both white, and male. One is gay. The other is straight, but identifies himself as hearing-impaired.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-c...it-the-criteria

Break down those social barriers hard of hearing guy.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Three Hole Punk posted:

Besides, everyone knows Abraham Lincoln was gay and also had aspergers and dyslexia and marfan and morgellons.

He was also part giant on his mother's side, a descendant of Yimr.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Postess with the Mostest posted:

If it's a good rule, apply it everywhere. If it's bad, scrap it. Saying that it only applies to 10% isn't really any argument.

I appreciate your concern and look forward to seeing you at the next BCNDP convention to discuss internal party processes :).

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Postess with the Mostest posted:

The BCNDP won't be able to change any representation above their party level if their voters get annoyed by their discriminatory internal practices. There's no reason they need to do this to beat Christy Clark, it seems like cliche provincial NDP overengineering that leads to non-stop provincial Liberals.

This is not going to particularly hurt the BCNDP, but they aren't going to beat Christy Clark anyways so it really doesn't matter. (The NDP problems in BC run much deeper than their representation.)

Shine on all you bisexual married white guys in the Kootenays, and blaze a trail for the rest of us.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I bet BC NDP events use the progressive stack to determine speaker order.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Bi erasure is extremely cool and good you guys. Checkmate SJWs! Hoisted by thine own petard :smuggo:

Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Oct 20, 2016

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Given that immigration is likely to be a major plank of the Liberal's economic strategy moving forward (and is something of a sacred cow for the entire Canadian establishment) I thought the following article was worth considering. Obviously this doesn't touch on the potential cultural benefits (and of course problems) associated with immigration and the increased diversity it should bring, but this is worth considering:

quote:

The Evidence Is Clear: Population Growth and Prosperity Are NOT Linked

By Leith van Onselen, an economist who has previously worked at the Australian Treasury, Victorian Treasury, and Goldman Sachs. Originally published at MacroBusiness

This site has gone to considerable effort to demonstrate why high population growth (immigration), as advocated by Australia’s major political parties, is very likely lowering the living standards of existing residents.



Since 2003, Australia’s population has grown by a whopping 22% – way faster than other advanced English-speaking nations and 2.5 times the OECD average:



Since the immigration flood gates were jammed open in 2003, Australia’s per capita GDP and disposable income has grown at an anaemic rate compared to the previous corresponding 12-year periods (see below charts).





And this comes despite growth in the terms-of-trade being most favourable across the most recent 12-year period (see next chart).



When viewed alongside qualitative measures like traffic congestion and housing affordability, which have clearly worsened as the population has exploded, there is a strong case to be made that Australia’s high population growth strategy is very likely lowering individual living standards.

Yesterday, I spent many hours crunching OECD macroeconomic data to determine whether there is a link between population growth and economic prosperity.

The first chart below is a scatter chart plotting the change in per capita real GDP against population over the years 2000 to 2015 across the 35 OECD member nations (Australia is shown in red):



As you can see, there is no statistically significant relationship between the growth in the population and per capita real GDP across OECD member nations.

The next charts delve deeper and plot the change in population against measures of productivity. As explainedby the Productivity Commission (PC):

quote:

Productivity growth is a key source of long-term economic growth, business competitiveness and real per capita income growth. It is an important determinant of a country’s living standards and wellbeing.

There are two broad measures of productivity:

quote:

Labour productivity (output produced per unit of labour input) measures efficiency in the use of labour. Growth of labour productivity is the growth of output over and above the growth of labour input — it not only measures change in the efficiency of labour but also captures the value added from growth in capital (and more advanced technology intrinsic in the new investment) that supports increased output without increasing labour.

Multifactor productivity (output produced per unit of combined inputs of labour and capital) is the measure that comes closest to the underlying concept of productivity — efficiency of producers in producing output using both labour and capital. Growth of multifactor productivity is the growth of output over and above the growth of combined labour and capital.

The first chart shows the relationship between population growth and labour productivity growth across the 35 OECD member nations over the period 2000 to 2015 (Australia shown in red):



The second chart shows the relationship between population growth and multifactor productivity growth across 20 OECD member nations (where data is available) over the period 2000 to 2014 (Australia shown in red):



In both cases, there is no statistically significant relationship between population growth and productivity across OECD member nations.

Further, despite experiencing some of the highest population growth in the OECD, Australia’s productivity growth has been lackluster by comparison. While this does not by itself suggest that Australia’s high immigration program has lowered productivity, it is nigh impossible to argue that it has raised it either.

Ultimately, the only real economic “benefit” that comes from running a high immigration program is via an improvement in Australia’s population pyramid as younger workers lower the average age profile and increase the ratio of working aged to non-working aged. As explained by the PC:

quote:



Growth in the population can increase the size of the economy but does not, in itself, increase output or income per capita. Growth of per capita income is determined by changes in participation (referred to as ‘labour utilisation’ in figure 2.2), labour productivity, the terms of trade and in net foreign income…

However, any benefit to labour utilisation is only transitory: as the migrants grow old they too add to the number of retired people, thus requiring ever more immigration and an ever bigger population to keep the age profile stable (classic Ponzi Demography).

Against these transitory benefits are the costs associated with pressures on infrastructure, housing , the environment, and in Australia’s case, the dilution of its fixed mineral endowment, which is a key driver of our wealth and living standards.

In short, the broad macroeconomic data – both domestic and international – does not support the assertion that Australia needs to run a high immigration program in order to drive the economy and increase living standards. In fact, given the significant qualitative costs – for example, the degradation of the environment, the depreciation of natural resources and decline in individuals’ quality of life – there is significant cause to dial Australia’s immigration program right back.

I might add that contrary to the prevailing narrative that whatever is good for businesses is good for the economy, we might want to consider the relationship between cheap labour and low productivity growth. Some economists have suggested that by working so hard to keep labour affordable we remove the incentive for businesses to substitute capital for labour. While this keeps employment numbers higher than they otherwise would be it's also a drag on productivity, since all else being equal it would likely be better for the overall economy if businesses continued to automate and replace workers with labour-saving techniques or machinery. We only see this reduction in employment as a negative because our society does such a terrible job at taking care of people who lose their jobs.

A sort of handy historical example here is to look at the spread of water and wind mills during the medieval period. Why did wind and water powered mills spread at the same time that European civilization seemed to be caught in a downward spiral? At the height of the Roman empire the economy of Europe reached an estimated level of wealth and productive capacity that wouldn't be seen again until roughly the 17th or 18th century. However, this wealth was generated almost entirely through a massive supply of cheap servile labour -- i.e. slaves. There was very little incentive for replace cheap labour with expensive technological advancements like water and wind mills. Hell, ancient Greeks went as far as to invent all kinds of technological toys like clockwork computers or a miniature steam engine. But these technologies were treated as mere curiosities. There was no selection pressures operating within society which might have encouraged anyone to pay attention to these devices as potential labour saving machines (the historian in me is obliged to add that the absence of effective research based institutions like the modern university likely also played a role in the lack of innovation during this time period, but I'm trying to keep this brief so I'll avoid the temptation to write a long screed on that).

So, admittedly that takes us pretty far away from the topic of contemporary immigration, but there is an underlying point here to consider. Increasingly the supply of labour isn't some kind of automatic good for society unless you make a series of (usually unspoken) assumptions. As is often the case, merely giving business what it says it needs is a dubious economic strategy. Just because businesses claim they need more cheap and skilled labour doesn't mean this is actually the optimal path for growth.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost
I demand to see that man suck a dick to prove he's bi.

And I want to see him genuinely enjoy it, no forcing himself.

And I want it shot in 4k resolution, with good lighting, makeup and maybe a light backstory.

Also I want 5 minutes to view the video in private to properly analyze it.

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!
I'm a bi man who's currently in a monogamous, 7 year long relationship with an opposite sex partner. I have had multiple same-sex relationships in the past, but I guess I'm just a straight guy trying to pretend to be a disadvantaged minority.

Seriously, get hosed with the biphobia and erasure garbage.

Square Peg
Nov 11, 2008

The Dark One posted:

This flag is also obviously photoshopped in. I wouldn't even be surprised if those were American kids! :monocle:

A few pages back, but, yeah, the first result in an image search was literally americannews.com!
http://americannews.com/new-york-bans-the-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools


I have no comments on ministerial dick lust.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

JVNO posted:

I'm a bi man who's currently in a monogamous, 7 year long relationship with an opposite sex partner. I have had multiple same-sex relationships in the past, but I guess I'm just a straight guy trying to pretend to be a disadvantaged minority.

Seriously, get hosed with the biphobia and erasure garbage.

Literally, unironically same except 5 years.

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

JVNO posted:

I'm a bi man who's currently in a monogamous, 7 year long relationship with an opposite sex partner. I have had multiple same-sex relationships in the past, but I guess I'm just a straight guy trying to pretend to be a disadvantaged minority.

Seriously, get hosed with the biphobia and erasure garbage.

When you're in a same sex partnership you're allowed to claim you're disadvantaged. Any other time and you're just a straight white guy.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

JVNO posted:

I'm a bi man who's currently in a monogamous, 7 year long relationship with an opposite sex partner. I have had multiple same-sex relationships in the past, but I guess I'm just a straight guy trying to pretend to be a disadvantaged minority.

Seriously, get hosed with the biphobia and erasure garbage.

Not going to mince words, I would fake bi to gain status

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

Risky Bisquick posted:

Not going to mince words, I would fake bi to gain status

You can't fake your way through the blowjob test though.

The tester looks deeply into your eyes and can tell if you are into it or not.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Need someone to hybridize the fruit machine and the sorting hat.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

Jordan7hm posted:

When you're in a same sex partnership you're allowed to claim you're disadvantaged. Any other time and you're just a straight white guy.

Bi people are bi regardless of their current partners gender. A lack of openly bi men in public life helps keep thousands of Canadian men in the closet.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

THC posted:

A lack of openly bi men in public life helps keep thousands of Canadian men in the closet.

Interesting that women and other genders don't suffer as much from this problem.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

The Butcher posted:

You can't fake your way through the blowjob test though.

The tester looks deeply into your eyes and can tell if you are into it or not.

Would you also push someone out of a wheel chair? Seems like a human rights violation.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Interesting that women and other genders don't suffer as much from this problem.

Women also suffer from bi-erasure, what are you even saying?

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

yeah what

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

THC posted:

yeah what

You specified bi men in your post instead of bi people? I figured that was the reason

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The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

Risky Bisquick posted:

Would you also push someone out of a wheel chair? Seems like a human rights violation.

:shrug: It's only fair. Don't want to discriminate.

You need to sneak up on them before you dump them out though to make sure they aren't faking their legs not working.

If they stumble and catch themselves for a sec, BUSTED!

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