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The Sausages posted:Most countries seem divided on the issue of how to deal with crimes where justice through punishment is ultimately an impossibility, though the vast majority of voices on the street I've encountered lean towards either the death penalty or endless torture in such cases, and too many people I've talked to have eventually flat out advocated the mass murder of various undesirables. Fascism isn't dead, it's just taking a nap. There's this old Australian kids' show from the late 70s/early 80s that plays on one of the weird digital subchannels in my town on Saturday mornings. The hosts are all really cheery kids, probably between 10 and 18, and they do stories about "interesting" places around Australia. Sometimes it's like parasailing or snorkeling or a lady who rehabilitates injured koalas or something. But about half the time it's covering some old prison and the atrocities that happened there or the scene of a shootout between a famous criminal and the police (they did a segment about the origin of "Waltzing Matilda" one time). The dissonance between some smiling, enthusiastic child and the horrible things they're describing as they stand in a decaying stone prison cell, as well as the dreary, muddy 70s VHS quality of the footage makes it so surreal that I can't look away. They cover Port Arthur prison several times (the show is from before the murders) and it really gives me the willies, man. Australia is some serious poo poo.
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Jack Gladney posted:There's this old Australian kids' show from the late 70s/early 80s that plays on one of the weird digital subchannels in my town on Saturday mornings. The hosts are all really cheery kids, probably between 10 and 18, and they do stories about "interesting" places around Australia. Sometimes it's like parasailing or snorkeling or a lady who rehabilitates injured koalas or something. But about half the time it's covering some old prison and the atrocities that happened there or the scene of a shootout between a famous criminal and the police (they did a segment about the origin of "Waltzing Matilda" one time). Do you know the name of the show? That sounds like a blast to watch.
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gfsincere posted:Anyone post H.H. Holmes yet or nah? Several times, but he's always welcomed.
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Max Coveri posted:Do you know the name of the show? That sounds like a blast to watch. It's called Boomerang, but I've had a hell of a time finding info on it because lots of shows have had that name. It airs at 10:00am on The Works (one of those weird-rear end broadcast-only digital subchannels). It marks itself many times during broadcast as "a Jack Sheridan production" and was originally for Channel Four in Australia. The kids are known by first name only and nobody else is credited that I would have any chance of googling. It's kind of like my own Candle Cove, really. There's just something unsettling about the dreary, blurry video and happy kids talking about gallows and fatal spider bites and historical dysentery.
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Jack Gladney posted:It's called Boomerang, but I've had a hell of a time finding info on it because lots of shows have had that name. It airs at 10:00am on The Works (one of those weird-rear end broadcast-only digital subchannels). It marks itself many times during broadcast as "a Jack Sheridan production" and was originally for Channel Four in Australia. The kids are known by first name only and nobody else is credited that I would have any chance of googling. It's kind of like my own Candle Cove, really. There's just something unsettling about the dreary, blurry video and happy kids talking about gallows and fatal spider bites and historical dysentery. The National Film and Sound Archive might have a copy, but if they do it may or may not have been digitised. I haven't been able to find it on their online collection, but I might not be looking right.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraponera_clavataquote:Paraponera clavata is a species of ant, commonly known as the bullet ant, named on account of its powerful and Potent sting due to its venom. It inhabits humid lowland rainforests from Nicaragua and the extreme east of Honduras and south to Paraguay. quote:The pain caused by this insect's sting is reported to be greater than that of any other hymenoptera, and is ranked as the most painful according to the Schmidt sting pain index, given a "4+" rating, above the tarantula hawk wasp and, according to some victims, equal to being shot, hence the name of the insect. It is described as causing "waves of burning, throbbing, all-consuming pain that continues unabated for up to 24 hours" quote:The Sateré-Mawé people of Brazil use intentional bullet ant stings as part of their initiation rites to become a warrior.[29] The ants are first rendered unconscious by submerging them in a natural sedative, and then hundreds of them are woven into gloves made of leaves (which resembles a large oven mitt), stingers facing inward. When the ants regain consciousness, a boy slips the gloves onto his hands. The goal of this initiation rite is to keep the glove on for a full 10 minutes. When finished, the boy's hand and part of his arm are temporarily paralyzed because of the ant venom, and he may shake uncontrollably for days. The only "protection" provided is a coating of charcoal on the hands, supposedly to confuse the ants and inhibit their stinging. To fully complete the initiation, however, the boys must go through the ordeal a total of 20 times over the course of several months or even years.[30]
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I saw the ant-gloves on a PBS (I think) program once and I was just like... why?? it looked incredibly upsetting and unpleasant.
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LA Beast went on a trip and did the ritual with his friends. On my phone so I can't pull up the link.
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Giant Water Bugs also have a 4 on the sting index. One of my friends caught one during a college project and was letting it walk on his hands before he remembered the whole "injecting digestive juices" thing they do.
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moonsour posted:LA Beast went on a trip and did the ritual with his friends. On my phone so I can't pull up the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NMNbr4z7eE Coyote Pererson also has a series where he goes out and gets bitten/stung by stuff, working his way to a bullet ant. Here is a tarantula hawk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnExgQ81fhU. He really takes it like a champ.
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Following on the pain theme I found this interesting list of the 15 worst types of pain a human can go through. WARNING: Website is ad happy so mobile users may have issues. http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/15-of-the-worst-pain-humans-can-feel/ I knew someone who would get cluster headaches. He would scream and wouldn't stop moving. Its hosed up because it so random. Thank God its rare. MrMidnight has a new favorite as of 19:37 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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I get cluster headaches every once in a while. I never knew they had a name until now though. I always just described them as a white hot poker boring its way out of my face and into the back of my eye. I seem to only get them when I watch TV in the dark for extended periods of time, but that could just be coincidence.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I get cluster headaches every once in a while. I never knew they had a name until now though. I always just described them as a white hot poker boring its way out of my face and into the back of my eye. I seem to only get them when I watch TV in the dark for extended periods of time, but that could just be coincidence. Several of the triggers for an acute Cluster Headache outbreak are fatty foods, alcohol and bright sunlight. Cue me visiting Florida on a vacation in March from Seattle.  I've never been in so much unavoidable pain, and because they last about an hour, any drugs you take don't kick in in time to help.
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What's unnerving is that that link was so full of annoying ads that it crashed my phone.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I get cluster headaches every once in a while. I never knew they had a name until now though. I always just described them as a white hot poker boring its way out of my face and into the back of my eye. I seem to only get them when I watch TV in the dark for extended periods of time, but that could just be coincidence. See a neuro. It's possible that this is something other than cluster headaches, such as migraine, that is very treatable. And yeah, watching TV in the dark for long periods could easily be a migraine trigger. e: When you've got one, do you want to lie down in a dark room and wait till it goes away, or do you find yourself walking incessantly? The first is more likely to be a migraine.
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I used to think my headaches were bad (basically feels like a shooting pain right above my right eye like someone jammed a red-hot knife through the top of my eye socket into my frontal lobe) but then i got a concussion. I was basically nonfunctional for two days because basically doing anything besides lying in my room in the pitch dark caused unbearable pain.
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The Schmidt sting pain index used here is slightly unnerving in its own way-- Schmidt let himself get stung by all manner of insects and recorded his reaction to each sting in considerable detail. Science 
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I want LA Beast or Coyote Peterson to sting themselves with an Irukandki jellyfish. It's not the highest pain there is, and it lasts for 4-30 hours so you'd edit the video heavily, but I find it fascinating because one of the symptoms is a feeling of "impending doom", and victims beg doctors to put them out of their misery. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irukandji_syndrome
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Arsenic Lupin posted:See a neuro. It's possible that this is something other than cluster headaches, such as migraine, that is very treatable. And yeah, watching TV in the dark for long periods could easily be a migraine trigger. I have to turn on lights and move around or rock back and forth until it goes away usually. Also pushing really hard on my eye seems to help a little, but not much. If they happened with any sort of regularity I'd get it checked out, but its like once a year I get them. If that. I know it's been almost two since my last one.
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I've read through I think the whole thread, and we haven't mentioned Colin Pitchfork yet? Multiple rapist/murderer in the UK, and was apparently big in the news this year since there was talk of letting him out on parole. I read a whole book about this case, presumably The Bloodening since that seems to be the main one, while stuck on a long layover at Kandahar Airfield. Honestly the case didn't need an entire book, it can be summed up pretty tidily, but it has a pretty interesting feature: Colin Pitchfork murders: First murder case ever where a key suspect was absolved through DNA evidence, and first case where the culprit was apprehended by DNA evidence. At first glance that seems logical, but it was by no means assured that one single case would be a firstie for each, so kinda cool how that aligned. In 1983 in Leicestershire, a 15 year old girl was raped and murdered on an isolated footpath; semen samples were collected but back then you couldn't do a lot with them except get blood type and a few other markers that might clear up a definite case, but nothing you could build on. Then in 1986 in another part of Leicestershire, another 15 year old girl raped and murdered on an isolate footpath. Long gap of time and different area, but same MO, and as noted you could at least verify the same blood type from the semen sample. Cops picked up a 17yr old named Richard Buckley, who was learning disabled but apparently unlucky enough to make some comments that coincidentally appeared to show knowledge of the crime scene. But right around this period an academic at U of Leicestershire had been working on early DNA sequencing, and teamed up with the cops to test Buckley and the semen samples: surprise, the semen from both cases belonged to one man, and that man was totally not Buckley. Thus he became the first person exonerated by DNA fingerprinting. So they had a "fingerprint", but essentially no DNA on-file to match it to since the tech was so young, so Leicestershire authorities started "strongly encouraging" men of the right age bracket to volunteer to come in to have their DNA drawn and compared, hoping to either get the culprit, or possibly a man related enough to him to narrow the search. Without the ability to really mandate testing, odds of catching Pitchfork were low, except for one of those little coincidences that just brings everything together. The doco book I read (semi-novelization) really drew this scene out, but apparently Pitchfork had been making up stories about why he hadn't dropped in to give a blood sample, and one day at work a woman heard him offer a colleague Ł200 to go get his blood drawn in Pitchfork's name, the latter claiming he'd already donated under some *other* guy's name because the guy had an old burglary rap. Woman goes to the cops and reports "hey, I know a guy who really seems to be going out of his way to avoid having his DNA analyzed", and bob's your uncle the coppers pop in and nick him, or however they say that. So he gets pinched in late 1987, tied to both rapes and murders, as well as admits exposing himself to women over 1,000 times. Sentenced to life imprisonment, concurrent terms for rape and murder, with 28 years (bargained down from 30) until any possibility of release. He was up for release this year, but that got nixed though he is being moved to something called an "open prison" which apparently means he might get some outside access later, something like a prison that allows day passes? (Not familiar with the term "open prison", britgoons?) I haven't read anything clear on how contrite or reformed he is or claims to be, though apparently his record during incarceration has been clean, but I did find this a kinda positive point: "Pitchfork, who's now 55, had become a specialist in transcribing printed music into Braille, work which was used across the UK and internationally." So at least he's doing something useful, and presumably having a positive task might be making him a better person while incarcerated. It's amazing to look back, and even within the lifetime of many of us here, a criminal could just leave traces of their matter all over the place and the cops could do little with it, but these days you can catch a drop of saliva or flake of skin, and have the exact identity of the person who left it. Amazing times.
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Minor Update: I mentioned this case in this thread many pages ago but there have been some minor updates. To recap: This happened in a famously historic mansion in one of the richest communities in Southern California, Coronado, a resort town with world class beaches. Coronado is pretty sleepy. It's known as a very safe community with some of the best schools in the state. It also draws in untold amounts of tourism dollars to San Diego. It wouldn't look great if a gruesome unsolved murder tainted its reputation. Especially one connected to one of its wealthiest citizens. quote:On July 13, 2011, Rebecca Zahau, 32, was found nude, hanging from a balcony at the famous home. Her death came two days after boyfriend Jonah Shacknai’s 6-year-old son, Max Shacknai, fatally fell at the home while under Zahau’s watch. Ultimately, after what they say was a thorough investigation, homicide detectives from the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department concluded that Zahau had committed suicide. For four years, Zahau’s family fought to have the case looked at again because they believe Zahau's death was a murder, not a suicide. What's not mentioned was that she was thoroughly bound in a near contortionist position before hanging herself. quote:Keith Greer, the Zahau family attorney, told NBC 7 there is now a piece of evidence he thinks could be the key to this mysterious case: an audio recording of investigators interviewing a woman who was near the Spreckels Mansion before Zahau's body was discovered. In the recording, the woman says she heard screaming coming from the mansion."It was clear, it wasn't a muffled or far off sound,” she told investigators, according to Greer. “Give me an example of what you heard, if you were mimicking what you heard,” an investigator asked the woman on the audio recording. quote:A wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of a woman found nude, bound and hanging at the Spreckels Mansion in Coronado in 2011, will be heard by a jury. The trial is set to begin next March. http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Coronado-Wrongful-Death-Lawsuit-Will-Go-to-Trial--371756572.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Rebecca_Zahau
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sleppy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NMNbr4z7eE Apparently the tarantula hawk is number two in how painful it is behind the bullet ant... and la beast literally wore gloves filled with the latter lmao
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coronatae posted:The Schmidt sting pain index used here is slightly unnerving in its own way-- Schmidt let himself get stung by all manner of insects and recorded his reaction to each sting in considerable detail. Science Nah, he didn't let himself get stung like that Coyote guy, it just happened that in the course of his work he got stung by a bunch of different things. The Pain Index was just some tongue-in-cheek thing he came up while seeing if hemolytic effects correlated with the painfulness of the sting (they don't).
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The wiki doesn't seem to actually give any of the descriptions, which are the best part. This chart is sorta confusing since they show pain by size and not numerical order, but is a concise way to see all of his poetic recollections of terrible pain. "Like a trick gone wrong. Your posterior is a target for a BB gun. Bull's-eye, over and over." "Like a dinner guest who stays much too long, the pain drones on. A hot Dutch oven lands on your hand and you cannot get it off." "Torture. You are chained in the flow of an active volcano. Why did I start this list?" sleppy has a new favorite as of 18:31 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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That infogram makes me want to donate to Planned Parenthood.
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Huh, the SPI only lists Hymenoptera (bees, wasps, ats, etc) stings. Makes sense I guess. Bugs of the family Belostomatidae are fierce predators which stalk, capture and feed on aquatic crustaceans, fish and amphibians. They often lie motionless at the bottom of a body of water, attached to various objects, where they wait for prey to come near. They then strike, injecting a powerful digestive saliva with their mouthparts, and sucking out the liquefied remains. Their bite is considered one of the most painful that can be inflicted by any insect (the Schmidt Sting Pain Index excludes insects other than Hymenoptera); the longer the bug is allowed to inject its saliva, the worse the resulting bite, and as the saliva liquefies muscle tissue, it can in rare instances do permanent damage.
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King of Bees posted:Minor Update: Holy moly. I had almost forgotten this case.
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LA Beasts penultimate stunt could be to shoot himself in the head I'd pay that patreon
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Longform has reprinted the 1974 Washington Post article about Christine Chubbuck's live, on air suicide.quote:When Chris Chubbuck killed herself, she followed those instructions. There seemed to be no doubt that she had every intention of killing herself. There were some who were confused by the word “attempted” suicide in her script. But those who worked with her had a ready explanation. Chris was too good a newswoman to write suicide when it might have failed. She was too precise. And even her mother thought it not unusual. And that's one of the least  bits of the story.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:LA Beasts penultimate stunt could be to shoot himself in the head What would be his finale... ?
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FuhrerHat posted:What would be his finale... ?
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FuhrerHat posted:What would be his finale... ? Frying and eating whatever flies out.
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The most unnerving thing to me about Tasmania has always been that they killed off every last Aborigine living on the island.
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Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:The most unnerving thing to me about Tasmania has always been that they killed off every last Aborigine living on the island. The truth is actually way more nuanced than that but that has been a very convenient myth for the state government and other institutions who might be pressed for some kind of compensation towards Indigenous Australians
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If that's true, then it's more than a bit sad that the most politically-convenient version of events is 'yeah man we completely eradicated the natives, what of it?'
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I mean, I'm not sure if that's the only reason people thought that, but it was definitely a factor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_Tasmanians quote:The Aboriginal Tasmanians (Tasmanian: Palawa) are the indigenous people of the Australian state of Tasmania, located south of the mainland. In the 20th century the Tasmanian Aboriginal people were erroneously thought of as being an extinct cultural and ethnic group[1] but, today, almost 26 000 people identify as Palawa. This makes Tasmania the state with the second biggest proportion of indigenous to non-indigenous people in Australia.[2] Truganini was considered the last Indigenous Tasmanian for a long time (this is what I was taught in school, even though it's not really true). Her life story is pretty loving tragic on the whole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini quote:When Truganini met George Augustus Robinson, the Protector of Aborigines, in 1829, her mother had been killed by sailors, her uncle shot by a soldier, her sister abducted by sealers, and her fiancé brutally murdered by timber-cutters, who then repeatedly sexually abused her. In 1830, Robinson moved Truganini and her husband, Woorrady, to Flinders Island with the last surviving Tasmanian Aborigines, numbering approximately 100. The stated aim of isolation was to save them,[citation needed] but many of the group died from influenza and other diseases. In 1838 Truganini also helped Robinson to establish a settlement for mainland Aborigines at Port Phillip.[6] After about two years of living in and around Melbourne, she joined Tunnerminnerwait and three other Tasmanian Aborigines as outlaws, robbing and shooting at settlers around Dandenong, which triggered a long pursuit by the authorities. The outlaws moved on to Bass River and then Cape Paterson. There, members of the group murdered two whalers at Watsons hut. The group was captured and sent for trial for murder at Port Phillip, and a gunshot wound to Truganini's head was treated by Dr Hugh Anderson of Bass River. The two men of the group were found guilty and hanged on 20 January 1842.[7] Truganini and most of the other Tasmanian Aborigines were returned to Flinders Island several months later. In 1856, the few surviving Tasmanian Aborigines on Flinders Island, including Truganini, were moved to a settlement at Oyster Cove, south of Hobart.[8] According to The Times newspaper, quoting a report issued by the Colonial Office, by 1861 the number of survivors at Oyster Cove was only fourteen: "...14 persons, all adults, aborigines of Tasmania, who are the sole surviving remnant of ten tribes. Nine of these persons are women and five are men. There are among them four married couples, and four of the men and five of the women are under 45 years of age, but no children have been born to them for years. It is considered difficult to account for this... Besides these 14 persons there is a native woman who is married to a white man, and who has a son, a fine healthy-looking child..." The article, headed ‘Decay of Race’, adds that although the survivors enjoyed generally good health and still made hunting trips to the bush during the season, after first asking "leave to go", they were now "fed, housed and clothed at public expense" and "much addicted to drinking".[9] quote:Prior to her death Truganini had pleaded to colonial authorities for a respectful burial, and requested that her ashes be scattered in the D'Entrecasteaux Channel. She feared that her body would be dissected and analyzed for scientific purposes as Aboriginal Tasmanian Wiliam Lenne's body had been.[12] Despite her wishes, within two years, her skeleton was exhumed by the Royal Society of Tasmania and later placed on display.[13] Only in April 1976, approaching the centenary of her death, were Truganini's remains finally cremated and scattered according to her wishes.[14][15]]
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sleppy posted:The wiki doesn't seem to actually give any of the descriptions, which are the best part. This chart is sorta confusing since they show pain by size and not numerical order, but is a concise way to see all of his poetic recollections of terrible pain. so i realise this is just insects but how bad are sting rays supposed to be compared to stuff on this chart? I've been stung by one of them but never a wasp or bee edit: thread favourite ernst shackleton is getting a film https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/oct/21/tom-hardy-ernest-shackleton Jose has a new favorite as of 16:06 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:It's amazing to look back, and even within the lifetime of many of us here, a criminal could just leave traces of their matter all over the place and the cops could do little with it, but these days you can catch a drop of saliva or flake of skin, and have the exact identity of the person who left it. Amazing times. Sometimes you can't.
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