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OddObserver posted:Looks like it never lost them in the first place:
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Libluini posted:On 14th October it was revealed Germany is planning a fleet expansion, mostly as a reaction to what Russia is doing. Some emergency money gets used to double our corvette-fleet from 5 to 10 ships over the next few years. There's also a massive increase in the budget promised to pay for the shipbuilding program, but that's been postponed to after the next election for obvious reasons. This is more due to Merkel committing to achieving the 2% NATO military spending goal than to anything the Russians are doing, although obviously the Russians made the case for committing to NATO a bit more compelling. The Baden-Württembergs have especially little to do with the Russians since they are heavily optimized towards peacekeeping. Compare their armament to that of an Arleigh Burke, it's fuckin ridiculous.
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Libluini posted:On 14th October it was revealed Germany is planning a fleet expansion, mostly as a reaction to what Russia is doing. Some emergency money gets used to double our corvette-fleet from 5 to 10 ships over the next few years. There's also a massive increase in the budget promised to pay for the shipbuilding program, but that's been postponed to after the next election for obvious reasons. You should have bought the Mistrals, IMO.
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Oct 18, 2016 14:17
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aphid_licker posted:The Baden-Württembergs have especially little to do with the Russians since they are heavily optimized towards peacekeeping. Compare their armament to that of an Arleigh Burke, it's fuckin ridiculous. I just did, the F125 doesn't have torpedos and is a bit lighter, that's about it. For a German ship it's quite heavily armed, actually. Cat Mattress posted:You should have bought the Mistrals, IMO. We just barely made most of our broken helicopters work again, what the hell are we supposed to do with multiple heavy amphibious assault ships / helicopter carriers? It's not like we will transport our soldiers by ship when Russia invades the Baltics.
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Libluini posted:I just did, the F125 doesn't have torpedos and is a bit lighter, that's about it. For a German ship it's quite heavily armed, actually. Also lacks a complete Aegis system and its associated SAMs, but comparing them to Burkes is a bit wrong - they are different ships, built for different purposes. Burke-analog in german navy would be the Sachsen.
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Libluini posted:I just did, the F125 doesn't have torpedos and is a bit lighter, that's about it. For a German ship it's quite heavily armed, actually. It has no VLS to the AB's 90 cells and no torpedos, ie no way of actually doing anything. It carries a bare-minimum self-defense-armament in form of the SAM launcher, a battery of essentially useless subsonic anti-shipping-missiles, and a naval gun. It would've been a decent combat ship at half the weight and 30 years ago, and coincidentally the F122 carry the exact same armament - gun, 2x self-defense-SAM, 8x Harpoon, at indeed half the weight and 30 years older. The thing just barely qualifies as a warship. It's meant for stabilization missions, optimized for endurance and carrying special forces, nothing to do with the Russians. As far as the Russians are concerned the German navy got less dangerous. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/germanys-f125-special-forces-and-stabilization-frigates-05119/
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Oct 18, 2016 15:38
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Still better then the Holland class OPV which is 3750 tons carrying the weaponry of a Sherman tank.
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aphid_licker posted:It has no VLS to the AB's 90 cells and no torpedos, ie no way of actually doing anything. It carries a bare-minimum self-defense-armament in form of the SAM launcher, a battery of essentially useless subsonic anti-shipping-missiles, and a naval gun. It would've been a decent combat ship at half the weight and 30 years ago, and coincidentally the F122 carry the exact same armament - gun, 2x self-defense-SAM, 8x Harpoon, at indeed half the weight and 30 years older. The thing just barely qualifies as a warship. It's meant for stabilization missions, optimized for endurance and carrying special forces, nothing to do with the Russians. As far as the Russians are concerned the German navy got less dangerous. The discussion moved a bit off-topic, I mentioned the new corvettes first with a reason. That reason being they're explicitly meant for use in the Ostsee. They also carry the heavy anti-ship missiles of the type RBS15, so that's five more ships capable of sinking Russian ships. Coincidentally, the outdated Harpoons on the F125 are supposed to be replaced by those newer missiles, too. So that complaint is baseless. Also as far as I understand the technical data of the F125-class, they do have an AEGIS-equivalent fire control system, it's just not called "AEGIS". (I could be wrong though, I had to look up what an AEGIS is on Wikipedia) The F125 also carries 4 MASS-systems for defense, which seems to be superior to the Burke's equivalent. I'm highly sceptical the Burke could actually not get hit immediately by an anti-ship missile and sink without actually doing anything. The naval gun is actually a fairly modern system, capable of using special ammunition for supporting land-based operations. 100km max range with specialized ammunition isn't bad for a dinky little gun. You also forgot the two remote-controlled 27mm autocannons. But yeah, together with the 5 robot-machine guns the class has it's more meant for peacekeeping missions. I mean those robot-guns are obviously meant to repel boarders, which is I guess more important to a peacekeeping mission on the other side of the world than to fight other ships?
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Libluini posted:I just did, the F125 doesn't have torpedos and is a bit lighter, that's about it. For a German ship it's quite heavily armed, actually. No however when Germany has to airlift Dunkirk it may have been nice to evac casualties via helicopter after all the runway and airfield cratering.
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Oct 18, 2016 16:35
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Looks like Our Brave Polish Patriots are giving it good to that muslimized Spanish scum in Madrid. https://twitter.com/JavidePazFdez/status/788433750669586434 https://twitter.com/JavidePazFdez/status/788430259188359168
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Oct 18, 2016 19:51
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I'm the insane retard trying to pull the policeman off the horse.
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Oct 18, 2016 19:53
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Libluini posted:
Wat. The hell ammo is that; gun launched missile?
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Wat. http://www.leonardocompany.com/-/vulcano-127mm
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Oct 18, 2016 20:14
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Wistful of Dollars posted:gun launched missile
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Now I am just pulling a hypothetical here, but wouldn't someone who wanted to deal with police horseman just arm their protestors with say wooden doles over two meters long?
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Oct 18, 2016 22:31
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First, I don't think hooligans are interested in really fighting a victorious battle against the riot police Second, it would only work if you had a bunch of those guys covering each other in an organized manner, because once the horse got inside the crowd, your poles would be useless. (pun not intended)
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Oct 18, 2016 22:36
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Crowsbeak posted:Now I am just pulling a hypothetical here, but wouldn't someone who wanted to deal with police horseman just arm their protestors with say wooden doles over two meters long?
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Oct 18, 2016 22:42
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Or even just riot spray / gas canister
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those f125 ships do seem like GWOT: The Ship. special ops facilities, submersible ROVs, diver-detection sensor (ISIS SCUBA!!!!!!), water cannons to shoot at ships you arn't sure are hostile (refugee-warfare cruiser?), and a 2-year deployment endurance.
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Oct 18, 2016 23:10
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Eh, there'll always be a need for humanitarian work or to intervene in low intensity wars.
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Oct 18, 2016 23:37
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Crowsbeak posted:Now I am just pulling a hypothetical here, but wouldn't someone who wanted to deal with police horseman just arm their protestors with say wooden doles over two meters long? You don't deal with cavalry by taking out the cavalryman. You deal with cavalry by taking out the horse.
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Oct 19, 2016 01:53
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:You don't deal with cavalry by taking out the cavalryman. You deal with cavalry by taking out the horse. They'd send in the bulls next.
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MeLKoR posted:They'd send in the bulls next.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I'm the horse policeman pulling a not entirely hypothetical firearm.
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Also, horses are easily spooked by elephants. Just throwing this out there.
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Oct 19, 2016 15:44
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Horses are easily spooked by just about anything.
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noticed a tidbit in an article about conservative media gadflys in the US:http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/30/james-okeefe-accidentally-stings-himself posted:...But Matthew Tyrmand, a recent addition to the Project Veritas board, has publicly declared his fierce opposition to Soros. Tyrmand is a thirty-five-year-old Polish-American investor who is an informal adviser to Poland’s right-wing nationalist government as well as a contributing writer at Breitbart, the conservative news site. As street protests have sprung up in Poland, Tyrmand has repeatedly suggested online that Soros is stoking the unrest. On the Web site of the Polonia Institute, a nonprofit that promotes Polish culture, he wrote that the “recent protest movement” was “rumored to be funded by George Soros’s Open Society Foundations” in order to “undermine and destabilize the new government.” After a bit of googling there seems to be at least one legislator accusing 'jew bankers' of creating opposition protests, so. Awesome.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Horses are easily spooked by just about anything. https://www.amazon.com/Deerbusters-Wolf-Urine-Lure-32-oz/dp/B0006IGZSM
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Wolf piss would probably be an improvement over how they normally smell (BO and alcohol).
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Same people went after Podesta and Bellingcat: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-hackers-broke-into-john-podesta-and-colin-powells-gmail-accounts Lofty company
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Osmosisch posted:Same people went after Podesta and Bellingcat: I guess we were just a test run. The attacks was dumb, like 3 nerds at Bellingcat would fall for bit.ly links in fake Google emails. One way we found the emails was searching to the spelling mistakes they made in the Google Address at the bottom, seems that always caught them out. Plus searching for their occasional use of bad grammar was useful, some of it had a touch of comedy Russian grammar
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:You don't deal with cavalry by taking out the cavalryman. You deal with cavalry by taking out the horse. I'm asking if that would spook horses.
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Horses self-spook them selves to death every chance they get. One of the worst animals. Their reaction to anything scary, real or imagined, is to flip out and break all their legs.
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Baronjutter posted:Horses self-spook them selves to death every chance they get. One of the worst animals. Their reaction to anything scary, real or imagined, is to flip out and break all their legs. Didn't people used to use horses in combat like 100 years ago? Heck, there's this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Reckless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNncmyO0WFI I'd recommend doing it from a distance.
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spacetoaster posted:Didn't people used to use horses in combat like 100 years ago? Heck, there's this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_Reckless War horses were specifically trained from a young age to be used to human combat. Riot horses are basically similar. So, yeah they spook easy but the ones you see in a riot get scared less than a normal horse does because it's been trained to deal with humans and noise.
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This is fuckin easy guys it's like Pokémon You send in horses to spook the polish and then send in elephants to spook the horses and then send in war pigs to spook the elephants It's basically how Australia was made
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Untrained horses instinctively yield to humans when they get close together. A horse will stop or turn around if a person crosses its path. Police horses, however, are trained that it should be the person who should yield, unless the rider gives the horse a signal. This is why an out of control police horse can easily trample people, while an ordinary horse would be much less likely to do so.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:This is fuckin easy guys it's like Pokémon And when wintertime rolls around, the war pigs simply freeze to death.
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mobby_6kl posted:And when wintertime rolls around, the war pigs simply freeze to death.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You keep the pigs around to ward off Muslims... We all got this talk when we first entered puberty
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