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Gonna go into full derail mode and say anyone that actually wants to learn how to cook should get a copy of Cook's Illustrated Science of Good Cooking, it's more of a cooking textbook. IT's long and dense and not really about the recipes so much as it is about the how and why of cooking. Unless you can afford modernist cuisine, then enjoy your awesome food encyclopedia, bougie scum.
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Well, for Silicon Valley techbro stories, I was recently told the following by a biologist working at an instrument company. Apparently there's a place called Biocurious in SV, which is a biology "hackspace". So, basically, it's full of techbros who believe that because they can teach themselves how to code, they can teach themselves how to do anything, including molecular biology lab work. The result? Basically a rolling disaster area. They had to turn all of the bins into biohazard bins because the techbros were too dumb to know the difference. There were people keeping E. coli cultures in the lunch room fridge alongside food. The biologist I was chatting to was firmly of the belief that when the zombie apocalypse comes, it will be from that lab.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Well, for Silicon Valley techbro stories, I was recently told the following by a biologist working at an instrument company. 
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Oct 21, 2016 03:08
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http://biocurious.org/ quote:Our Mission OMG that staff list quote:[...]Eri Gentry works toward the democratization and human-centricity of biology and medicine.[...] She was previously cofounder and CEO of Livly, a biotech startup on a mission to cure major human diseases. Livly no longer exists. Unlike cancer, which is still going strong. EDIT: I looked up livly and, thanks to archive.org, found some old versions of their now-defunct site. https://web.archive.org/web/20100216114915/http://www.livly.org/About.html Of the 3 people in charge, only ONE had a full scientific background quote:Eri Gentry Redrum and Coke fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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I haven't been in a hackspace I always thought they were basically places where people can do poo poo like play with 3D printers and other neat but expensive tech stuff. The idea of one working with actual hazardous materials blows my mind, it's a public thing you can't just let people randomly work with that sort of stuff
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Oct 21, 2016 04:09
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thanks AA for two thread titles in a row  Shugojin posted:The idea of one working with actual hazardous materials blows my mind, it's a public thing you can't just let people randomly work with that sort of stuff AntrHax: an open-source people's bioweapon facility
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Oct 21, 2016 04:13
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Shugojin posted:I haven't been in a hackspace I always thought they were basically places where people can do poo poo like play with 3D printers and other neat but expensive tech stuff. I think there's one less than an hour's drive from you, isn't there?
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Oct 21, 2016 04:17
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Yeah. I actually know exactly where it is but literally every time I'm near it I end up going to the music store across the alley to check out used stuff and listen to old blues musician stories.
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Oct 21, 2016 04:20
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quote:She is also a Board Member of Real Vegan Cheese, an open source project to create a synthetic cheese from genetically modified yeast. I mean, it's not going to succeed anytime soon. And it's "open source". But that's an appealing idea even if it's ridiculous as all hell.
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Oct 21, 2016 06:16
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Okay, that's actually one of the better unicorns I've heard of lately. They're gonna be pissed when they see that there's a huge overlap between vegans and anti gmo nuts.
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Oct 21, 2016 06:49
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Well, for Silicon Valley techbro stories, I was recently told the following by a biologist working at an instrument company. I have heard about biohackers, and I laugh every time. Heard about some group that was going to hack the production of insulin. A question is how much equipment they have? Considering even a basic PCR machine is pretty expensive and that a somewhat decent lab means investing a decent amount of money just in equipment to get started. Edit: Found their equipment list. Like how they say Protein Purification system without any specifications, especially since they lack any form of the normal side equipment for that. Also, no -80°C freezer. LGD posted:Because they take care of the meal planning as well and provide novelty, which are actually significant burdens that you're totally glossing over. They also scale portions appropriately for two people so you don't have tons of leftovers or excess ingredients that you need to find another use for or watch go bad. If meal planning and scaling is hard to do, I think those people have bigger problems. Also freezers exist. Cardiac fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 07:29
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Cardiac posted:If meal planning and scaling is hard to do, I think those people have bigger problems. Nah, I love to cook but sometimes even I just want someone to decide for me what i'm going to buy and make this week. I think a lot of it is taking the decisions and doing it for the customer - if you've got a stressful job or otherwise have to make a lot of decisions day to day having to do things like meal planning can be a real hassle. Not that I would ever use Blue Apron but I can see the appeal buried in there.
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Oct 21, 2016 11:58
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I used to be a member of biocurious. They are basically structurally unable to ever accomplish anything. Good at PR and nothing else.
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Oct 21, 2016 13:13
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What BlueApron made me realize I really wanted was a plugin that can send recipes I find to instacarte, also for instacarte to service my area.
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Oct 21, 2016 13:55
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My major problem problem with recipes is the small amounts of spices & stuff you need. You could get a recipe service that sends the instruction card, the spices and sauces nicely measured out, but lets you buy the perishable, common stuff like meat and vegetables yourself. This would be easier to send through the mail, and if you didn't feel like cooking that night, you could leave it for a while. I have a shelf entirely full of spices and dried herbs, but every time I try a new recipe, there is inevitably something I don't have. I have spices I bought for one recipe and never used again. A lot of spices that TV chefs seem to think are in every kitchen are actually pretty hard to track down in ordinary supermarkets.
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Oct 21, 2016 14:07
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Also, mouth-pipetting.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Non Serviam posted:They're gonna be pissed when they see that there's a huge overlap between vegans and anti gmo nuts. Honestly if someone could make milk in a vat without a cow that would be a really huge major deal far far beyond veganism. Growing a whole cow and going through a whole process of constant inseminations and pregnancies just to get a constant supply of milk that we can sell for 2 dollars a gallon is a massive massive bit of global machinery. If someone even remotely made a GMO liquid that turned into even passable milk or cheese it could easily turn into the substance of choice for every mcdonalds cheeseburger and hot pocket on earth and have a staggeringly large market just totally separate from it also happening to be vegan.
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Oct 21, 2016 15:00
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Honestly if someone could make milk in a vat without a cow that would be a really huge major deal far far beyond veganism. Not just that. The industry is a big contributor to deforestation and climate change.
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Oct 21, 2016 15:12
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Non Serviam posted:They're gonna be pissed when they see that there's a huge overlap between vegans and anti gmo nuts. not really. How many vegans do you actually know IRL? I'm a vegan with many vegan friends and none of us are fanatic anti-gmo. The strongest argument that I would make is that diversity in agricultural crops is A Good Thing and increasing herbicide resistance is A Bad Thing, neither of which are specifically GMO problems, but monocropping and the current application of GMO for herbicide resistance (as opposed to increased nutrition or growing in hardier climates, etc) are definitely something that dovetails with some GMOs. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Honestly if someone could make milk in a vat without a cow that would be a really huge major deal far far beyond veganism. It's not just one cow that you have to grow; the cow must be kept continually pregnant. She's a mammal, that's how mammals lactate. Then when she calves, if the calf is male he gets taken away from her within minutes and put in a veal crate until slaughtern(I've seen it on "nice" farms, and the cow screams and bellows for weeks to have the calf back. When they neighbours of dairy farms complain about cows screaming when their babies are taken away, dairy farmers will tell them the cows are "singing." Lovely.) If the calf is female, she gets to live the same fate as her mum until she is slaughtered. Natural lifespan of a cow is about 20 years and dairy cows live to be about four before their bodies give out. Moreover, milk is gross, and filled with pus and it's the boob juice of a different mammal. loving weird. Just eat blended nuts with nutritional yeast heated up to solidify it. Boom, cheese. Yes, vegan cheese that's commercially available is mostly crap, but that is changing due to economies of scale. Hampton Creek poo poo the bed with regards to profitability, but I don't think that has to do with their products or market specifically; from what I've read, their senior management was a bunch of SV goofs who made themselves out to be a little more profitable that they actually were.
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peter banana posted:Moreover, milk is gross, and filled with pus and it's the boob juice of a different mammal. loving weird. Just eat blended nuts with nutritional yeast heated up to solidify it. Boom, cheese. Yes, vegan cheese that's commercially available is mostly crap, but that is changing due to economies of scale. Hampton Creek poo poo the bed with regards to profitability, but I don't think that has to do with their products or market specifically; from what I've read, their senior management was a bunch of SV goofs who made themselves out to be a little more profitable that they actually were. I don't know why eating "boob juice" is weird but eating a bunch of heat treated yeast is normal but sure. Vegan cheese so far is just not cheese. It's a different food that doesn't do any of the things that cheese does even if you get the taste right. cheese is a food that is used for it's properties as many times as it's used directly for it's taste. I think a GMO cheese that had the correct properties but didn't nail the taste would actually make a bigger impact than a cheese that got the properties wrong but tasted spot on. They already do so much to cheese to make it flavorless or bad tasting goo. But getting the goo part right is important.
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I wish current milk substitutes were better. When I had to drink them they were extremely watery and tasteless. Vile on cereal or in tea, acceptable in coffee. Their aim seems to be to be healthy rather than flavour, so they are low-fat low-taste. A higher fat version might taste better. There was a case recently where a company developed a vegan mayonnaise that actually tasted like mayonnaise and Hellmans tried to sue the hell out of it. The mayo is called "Just Mayo" and I'd recommend it for anyone avoiding eggs for any reason. I'm sure a lot of gourmands will turn up to sneer at my lack of taste (and laziness in not making my own mayo) but it didn't taste any different to regular mayonnaise to me. A great product.
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BarbarianElephant posted:There was a case recently where a company developed a vegan mayonnaise that actually tasted like mayonnaise and Hellmans tried to sue the hell out of it. The mayo is called "Just Mayo" and I'd recommend it for anyone avoiding eggs for any reason. I'm sure a lot of gourmands will turn up to sneer at my lack of taste (and laziness in not making my own mayo) but it didn't taste any different to regular mayonnaise to me. A great product.
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Pitch posted:Just Mayo has already come up several times in this very thread because, among other weird startup antics, it came out that they had been paying people to buy their product off the shelves at retail stores for "quality assurance" purposes and that may have been the majority of their on-paper sales numbers. Pretty stupid, it's a great product and should stand on its own. Ideal for people with egg allergies and vegans. It makes me wonder how many other decent dairy & egg substitutes could be made with some funding - vegans have suffered enough with nutritional yeast.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I don't know why eating "boob juice" is weird but eating a bunch of heat treated yeast is normal but sure. 1. Yeast grows naturally on most fruits, which evolved to fall off of trees for us to eat. 2. Most vegan cheese except for Daiya is made from nuts, which literally evolved to fall off of trees for animals to eat. It is also possible to make vegan cheese that melts on a pizza or lasagna from scratch at home. 3. Milk is sucked out of a cows boob by a machine that will also take any pus that comes out of the sores on her teats with it. There is an acceptable level of pus in all commercially available milk, except in the industry it's called "somatic cell count." The protein in milk, casein, also contains peptides that are broken down into something called "casomorphin" which is molecularly similar to opioids, which is why many people tell me that "I could never give up cheese, I'm practically addicted to it." I mean, like, yeah you kind of are. That peptide is there to cement the bond between cow and calf. So, IDK nuts vs. pus-y animal bodily fluid with opioids in it? Seems weird to me. Most people would be turned off by the idea of drinking human milk or eating cheese made from it, even though that kind of makes way more sense that getting the same fluid from a different species? BarbarianElephant posted:There was a case recently where a company developed a vegan mayonnaise that actually tasted like mayonnaise and Hellmans tried to sue the hell out of it. The mayo is called "Just Mayo" and I'd recommend it for anyone avoiding eggs for any reason. I'm sure a lot of gourmands will turn up to sneer at my lack of taste (and laziness in not making my own mayo) but it didn't taste any different to regular mayonnaise to me. A great product. Yeah, that was Hampton Creek I mentioned above and their mayo was pretty good, they have other products too like cookie dough designed to be eaten raw, since it doesn't have eggs.. Hellman's sued them because HC was calling their product "mayo" and Hellman's argued that mayo is a very specific term which must include eggs. We have the same thing in Canada too around vegan milks and ice creams, we have to call them "non-dairy frozen desserts" or something. That Hellman's case was Hampton Creek's brief turn as hero in the food world, except after Hellman's lost the case, they decided they were going to start their own vegan mayonnaise. And then Hampton Creek did a bunch of shady poo poo and looked pretty dumb. That sucked.
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peter banana posted:Most people would be turned off by the idea of drinking human milk or eating cheese made from it, even though that kind of makes way more sense that getting the same fluid from a different species? Not so crazy actually. Disease is easier passed from human breast milk to other humans than cow to humans, because we are different species. The same reason we developed all sorts of taboos about eating human meat.
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Oct 21, 2016 16:20
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peter banana posted:So, IDK nuts vs. pus-y animal bodily fluid with opioids in it? Seems weird to me. Most people would be turned off by the idea of drinking human milk or eating cheese made from it, even though that kind of makes way more sense that getting the same fluid from a different species? You can describe anything as gross if you try. It's not gonna make milk/cheese any less delicious.
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Oct 21, 2016 16:24
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BarbarianElephant posted:Not so crazy actually. Disease is easier passed from human breast milk to other humans than cow to humans, because we are different species. The same reason we developed all sorts of taboos about eating human meat. Are you sure? Wouldn't we encourage mothers to move their immunosuppressed babies directly to cow's milk instead of breastfeeding infants if that were the case? You're right about meat, but I don't think that's true for dairy. Substances get passed through breast milk, but that's also true for cow's milk. I think it's actually the opposite, some of the sugars in human milk help infants develop intestinal flora that blocks disease. peter banana fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 16:24
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I was wrong about Blue Apron not having a target audience. My 20something kids (did I tell you how great my kids are? I have pictures to share) leapt all over me at the supper table, saying that everybody they knew who tried Blue Apron loved it, and that they credited it with teaching them how to cook. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Meanwhile, Verizon's bid to take over Yahoo is in danger; Verizon says that the conditions have materially shifted since Yahoo's disclosure of the Great Hack, and they want to pay less money. Drain, circled. e: BarbarianElephant posted:Not so crazy actually. Disease is easier passed from human breast milk to other humans than cow to humans, because we are different species. The same reason we developed all sorts of taboos about eating human meat. Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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peter banana posted:The protein in milk, casein, also contains peptides that are broken down into something called "casomorphin" which is molecularly similar to opioids, which is why many people tell me that "I could never give up cheese, I'm practically addicted to it." I mean, like, yeah you kind of are. That peptide is there to cement the bond between cow and calf. You lose people when you make easily googleable, totally outlandish woo claims that sound like they come from a David Wolfe video.
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peter banana posted:Are you sure? Wouldn't we encourage mother's to move their babies directly to cow's milk instead of breastfeeding infants if that were the case? You're right about meat, but I don't think that's true for dairy. I think it's actually the opposite, some of the sugars in human milk help infants develop intestinal flora that blocks disease. Mothers already shared all their diseases with their babies when giving birth/in the womb/kissing noses. If a woman actually has something serious and transmissible, doctors advise her to "pump and dump" for the duration of the illness. Drinking the breastmilk of many unrelated women of unknown health status is a whole different issue and obviously a health hazard.
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Bushiz posted:You lose people when you make easily googleable, totally outlandish woo claims that sound like they come from a David Wolfe video. what is false here? I never said people are "as addicted" to cheese as opioids, just that the molecular structures of the peptides are similar. Here's a peer-reviewed paper saying our opioidergic systems treat casomorphins similarly. peter banana fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Diseases cross species boundaries all the time. No they don't. Its very extremely rare. This is why it didn't really start happening until the creation of cities that stuffed a bunch of people and a bunch of animals together in close contact.
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peter banana posted:There is an acceptable level of pus in all commercially available milk, http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/GuidanceDocumentsRegulatoryInformation/SanitationTransportation/ucm056174.htm#CHPTD Peanuts, Unshelled Average of 10% or more peanuts by count are rejects (insect- infested, moldy, rancid, otherwise decomposed, and dirty). DEFECT SOURCE: Insect infested - post harvest and/or processing infestation, Mold - preharvest and/or post harvest and/or processing infection, Rancid & decomposed - post harvest abuse Significance: Aesthetic, Potential health hazard - may contain mycotoxin producing fungi Food is gross, organics is gross, any biological product you eat is always going to be full of bugs and mold and rot. Humans do their best to make food seem clean and scientific but it's all a mess and we all ate some maggots today regardless of what our food choices were.
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Bushiz posted:Gonna go into full derail mode and say anyone that actually wants to learn how to cook should get a copy of Cook's Illustrated Science of Good Cooking, it's more of a cooking textbook. IT's long and dense and not really about the recipes so much as it is about the how and why of cooking. Unless you can afford modernist cuisine, then enjoy your awesome food encyclopedia, bougie scum. Anyone who writes a paragraph like this needs to own a hard copy of, "On Food and Cooking" by Harold McGee, and if you don't, get the gently caress out right now.
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peter banana posted:I never said people are "as addicted" to cheese as opioids Yes you did. peter banana posted:The protein in milk, casein, also contains peptides that are broken down into something called "casomorphin" which is molecularly similar to opioids, which is why many people tell me that "I could never give up cheese, I'm practically addicted to it." I mean, like, yeah you kind of are. The study you posted points out milk contain potential opiate receptor agonists as well. No where in that paper does any research involving studying effect in animals (much less humans) with the actual casomorphins take place. Much less any net effect measurement including both the agonists and the antagonists. You can't make claims like the ones you are making based off of it. Thats not how science works. Heres another review study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12769741 quote:The critical point in case of food protein-derived opioid receptor ligands is that only a minority of their bioactive effects demonstrated as yet has been observed upon oral or intragastric administration of these peptides or their precursor proteins and that most of these studies have been performed in animals. Thus, in terms of "evidence-based dietary supplementation" more studies are needed to prove effects of food protein-derived opioid receptor ligands or their precursors after oral administration in humans and, moreover, to prove a benefit for the consumer's organism. Stop spouting the stupid cheese is an opiate meme please. pr0zac fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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pr0zac posted:Yes you did. Also, if cheese actually affected our bodies like opoids do, I think we would know about it by now.
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peter banana posted:3. Milk is sucked out of a cows boob by a machine that will also take any pus that comes out of the sores on her teats with it. 
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceRegulation/GuidanceDocumentsRegulatoryInformation/SanitationTransportation/ucm056174.htm#CHPTD Fair. My issue with milk truly is that in the balance of things the Animal Cruelty and Suffering/Environmental Destruction of the Industry is very high and the "necessity" of it for our diet is very low (obviously I don't drink it. Many millions don't and we manage, in fact my allergies and osteoporosis have gotten much better since I dropped dairy) so it seems really pointless to me. But whatever, I don't care if anyone else is vegan. We all have unnecessary poo poo in our diets. This whole derail started because people lump vegans in with anti-vax and anti-GMO incorrectly, because most people don't know actual vegans and the ones with the loudest voices are usually really dumb. The research on the environmental destruction and cruelty of the animal ag industry is out there for people if they want it (except for when big animal ag blocks your constitutional rights to free speech with ag-gag laws, I guess).
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Let's not leave the Blue Apron derail just to go into a veganism derail. Being a vegan is unhealthy and stupid, and milk is delicious. Also, pasteurized milk is pus free, so everybody wins. Let's all accept this and move on. Can anybody share their experiences with biohacking? Because it sounds insane.
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