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Wingnut Ninja posted:That's a bit of an exaggeration. You don't have any leadership responsibility for a year or two while going through flight school, but as soon as you get to an operational squadron you'll most likely get tossed into a DIVO role with sailors and a chief and everything, just like a real officer. Just let your chief do all the work. He'll love you for it!
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buttplug posted:As an officer you're expected to be the motherfucker laying down direction for your junior folks. The Navy doesn't exist for you to come "find yourself" [as an officer]. Especially not when you're expected to be leading junior folks who are doing exactly that. At the senior officer levels, yeah. At the junior officer levels, your sailors will see you as "the paperwork person" if they see you at all. The chiefs in the department provide the direction and leadership to the enlisted.
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Get the gently caress outta here with that bullshit buttplug. Leadership isn't inherent, it's learned. As a JO you're expected to show a desire to learn, to show initiative and critical thought, to develop as a leader, and to make mistakes and move on better for it.
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Oct 22, 2016 15:49
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Wingnut Ninja posted:That's a bit of an exaggeration. You don't have any leadership responsibility for a year or two while going through flight school, but as soon as you get to an operational squadron you'll most likely get tossed into a DIVO role with sailors and a chief and everything, just like a real officer. This was a squadron I was in my last half of my enlistment. The difference was that we didn't have a chief or even a first class (e-6) in-between sometimes. As much as I think chiefs are self centered dicks, having a filter between the stupid and you is actually very desirable.
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Boon posted:Get the gently caress outta here with that bullshit buttplug. Leadership isn't inherent, it's learned. Remember, youre replying to m0t who is wrong about a frightening amount of things, such as the fact that leaders are made and not born. I doubt he will pick up on what youre telling him. orange juche fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Oct 22, 2016 |
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Just remember that often you'll have some competent E-5's who have embraced the absurdity of their situations and are entirely capable of handling everything independently and entirely transparent to your life. These also are 99% of the time the ones who are out after their enlistment is up.
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M_Gargantua posted:Just remember that often you'll have some competent E-5's who have embraced the absurdity of their situations and are entirely capable of handling everything independently and entirely transparent to your life. Make sure they receive no award or recognition.
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M_Gargantua posted:Just remember that often you'll have some competent E-5's who have embraced the absurdity of their situations and are entirely capable of handling everything independently and entirely transparent to your life. Null Integer posted:Make sure they receive no award or recognition. Quoted for truth. Two guys I worked with were absolute workhorses and we would have been up poo poo-creek without them. We had an e-6 who got demoted from POIC of our det and replaced by an E-5 and she was always organized. Like animal farm though workhorses get sold to glue factories.
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Laranzu posted:Oh boy. Today was 365 Kickoff Day!
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Null Integer posted:Make sure they receive no award or recognition. A-loving men. Out of sight, out of mind, and they prefer to remain that way.
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http://www.ktvu.com/news/212878048-story In shocking news medical turned a sailor away and now they're dead
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maffew buildings posted:http://www.ktvu.com/news/212878048-story quote:Her family was told she suffered from cardiac arrest Heart gets another!
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I don't think the account of what happened on the ship was accurate, she wasn't given a sandwich baggie full of Motrin and some dramamine.
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maffew buildings posted:http://www.ktvu.com/news/212878048-story Ya know. poo poo like this really gets me down. The EOD Chief being killed in Mosul just sucks, he signed up for badassery and passed away over it. Her though, she just wanted to serve and ended up doing paperwork on a carrier before passing, loving medical pretty much said "Nah, your fine, eat these pills." and then she died, it's just sad... It's like the memorial at Correy Station for the IT3 that was killed during a drive by, sailor doing normal stuff then loving dead...
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Someone asked "But why didn't the corpsman take into account the sweats and fever and chills?" Because military medical you loving idiot.
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I'm absolutely convinced that the only reason I didn't die from appendicitis is that it happened on a weekend, when the base clinic was closed, and I was able to go straight to the ER where they treated me appropriately.
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Lesson here is if you are absolutely certain something is wrong and medical is giving you static, go around them. (Unless youre on a deployed ship, in which case i hope you know one of the doctors and bypass seaman timmy at the desk)
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Null Integer posted:Ya know. poo poo like this really gets me down. The EOD Chief being killed in Mosul just sucks, he signed up for badassery and passed away over it. Her though, she just wanted to serve and ended up doing paperwork on a carrier before passing, loving medical pretty much said "Nah, your fine, eat these pills." and then she died, it's just sad... It's like the memorial at Correy Station for the IT3 that was killed during a drive by, sailor doing normal stuff then loving dead... When was that? That's a lot more tragic than that sailor who ran from the cops on a bike and drive into the back of a truck going 100+mph. Couldn't even make it to his first command.
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LingcodKilla posted:When was that? Still a hero
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LingcodKilla posted:When was that? EOD Chief was this weekend,and the IT3 was sometime in 2014. Its a small memorial outside the gym by the bars near that forest road area. You've walked past it going to the NEX via the backgate.
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no bones about it posted:Lesson here is if you are absolutely certain something is wrong and medical is giving you static, go around them. (Unless youre on a deployed ship, in which case i hope you know one of the doctors and bypass seaman timmy at the desk) There is no doctor onboard the majority of ships at sea. The best thing anyone not on a carrier or amphib has is an IDC.
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Mr. Nice! posted:There is no doctor onboard the majority of ships at sea. The best thing anyone not on a carrier or amphib has is an IDC. Thats when you go relieve your gushing bodily fluids onto the CO's Sea Cabin door to get over to the carrier and not die. *edit*: Then you die on the carrier with some more motrin. Edit Edit: In a twist of fate the Motrin is what killed you due to exceeding the daily maximum.
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Laranzu posted:Thats when you go relieve your gushing bodily fluids onto the CO's Sea Cabin door to get over to the carrier and not die. except that tons of small boys and subs are independently steaming. Better hope you're near a port or a helo and not alone in the middle of the pacific!
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Null Integer posted:EOD Chief was this weekend,and the IT3 was sometime in 2014. Its a small memorial outside the gym by the bars near that forest road area. You've walked past it going to the NEX via the backgate. Huh. Never saw it. Happy I chose Dam Neck over Pensacola for C school. This place is a polar opposite of Corry.
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Mr. Nice! posted:except that tons of small boys and subs are independently steaming. Better hope you're near a port or a helo and not alone in the middle of the pacific! Said dead woman wasnt on a small boy, there were probably no less than 4 or 5 actual MDs on the ship. If you are really sure you are hosed up i.e. matter of life and death, go around the dingus sitting at the desk and talk to one of the doctors. They might be momentarily upset but they will usually give you the time of day or check you out and realize something is wrong. If youre on a small boy, im sorry thems the breaks, dont sign up to serve your country unless youre willing to die (for a stupid reason) for it. 
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Oh I wasn't referencing the story, just that specific statement. I know that she wasn't in that situation.
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Boon posted:Get the gently caress outta here with that bullshit buttplug. Leadership isn't inherent, it's learned. How is it bullshit? You're right, it IS learned. A boot ENS isn't going to know his/her rear end from his elbow on day one - good Chiefs and good senior officers will help fix that...that we can agree on. My ultimate point was that becoming an officer isn't the route to go "find yourself" when you get a division of 25 people thrown at you - many of whom are busy trying to "find themselves". buttplug fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Oct 27, 2016 |
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The first half of it was bullshit. The rest was accurate enough.
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quote:If you go the NFO route you won't even smell a Sailor until you've been in for like 5 years. Aviators get very little leadership exposure early on in their career because they're busy flying. Godholio posted:The first half of it was bullshit. The rest was accurate enough. It was meant to be an exaggeration, but not all that far off. By the time most aviators ever hit the fleet, your average SWO is wrapping up his/her first tour. I already had a warfare device and 18 months *at sea* running a division before any of my aviation friends ever winged.
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I just got shown around the Zoomy and gently caress that thing is cool. Plus I guess my HSV 2 Swift ballcap is a collectable now.
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King of Bees posted:I just got shown around the Zoomy and gently caress that thing is cool. Plus I guess my HSV 2 Swift ballcap is a collectable now. Ships are awesome, even going down to a sub of the same class that I worked on for 5 years still feels like I'm seeing something loving awesome. I still need to wander down to the base and see a Carrier or something huge.
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I got a tour of a sub and a cruiser last year and they were both magical. I'm sure even if I got to see another carrier it would still be cool, considering ours is covered in rust, mold and is literally falling apart.
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Anita Dickinme posted:I got a tour of a sub and a cruiser last year and they were both magical. I'm sure even if I got to see another carrier it would still be cool, considering ours is covered in rust, mold and is literally falling apart. You should tour an amphib, you'd feel right at home.
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Just toured the Wisconsin. Battleships are cool.
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Anita Dickinme posted:I got a tour of a sub and a cruiser last year and they were both magical. I'm sure even if I got to see another carrier it would still be cool, considering ours is covered in rust, mold and is literally falling apart. All carriers are covered in rust, mold, and literally falling apart.
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Enjoying civilian life. I frequently see Chiefs and make a point of calling them dude. In the elevator, one grinned and said he goes by "Chief". I said I know. I still interact occasionally with buttplug though he knows not what I look like, I plan on calling him dude in the near future, or possibly "buttplug".
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Analogical posted:Enjoying civilian life. I frequently see Chiefs and make a point of calling them dude. In the elevator, one grinned and said he goes by "Chief". I said I know. Just subtly start praising kurds and you'll get a reaction of some sort.
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Analogical posted:Enjoying civilian life. I frequently see Chiefs and make a point of calling them dude. In the elevator, one grinned and said he goes by "Chief". I said I know. Cool. We go on a first name or nickname basis here.
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