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mandatory lesbian posted:am i supposed to think the judge's reasoning isn't dumb, cuz i do and still will no matter what he says wait do you think the judge's reasoning is dumb, or not? because the judge's reasoning is laughably incorrect with the benefit of the video
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Star Man posted:I am okay with Tom Ross making fun of Jeff Hoogland. My favorite twitter post making fun of Hoogland was after he scrubbed out of some SCG Legacy event and went MIA on social media until late in the evening one of the first replies to his twitter post was Joe Lossett with "Good to see that you are okay. I got worried when I didn't see you whining about legacy this afternoon"
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Oct 24, 2016 06:22
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Hellsau posted:wait do you think the judge's reasoning is dumb, or not? mandatory lesbian posted:oooookay that's a super obvious cheat and it's dumb that the judge ruled the way he did anyway since RIP is the easiest missed trigger to resolve since the graveyard state doesn't change from after casting
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Oct 24, 2016 06:22
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Hellsau posted:wait do you think the judge's reasoning is dumb, or not? look i mauy be slightly tipsy but im pretty sure i was clear that i disagree with the judge call
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Oct 24, 2016 06:29
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mandatory lesbian posted:look i mauy be slightly tipsy but im pretty sure i was clear that i disagree with the judge call look i don't know how negatives work
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Oct 24, 2016 06:33
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Hellsau posted:wait do you think the judge's reasoning is dumb, or not? I mean, the judge was correct that if a player casts rest in peace, it resolves, and then the player moves on without anything happening to the graveyards then the trigger is missed. But that's not actually what happened. Kent exiled his graveyard, then unexiled it when he though he might be able to make his opponent miss the trigger, and then conveniently left that part out (aka "lied to the judge") when explaining his side of the situation. Lying to a tournament official comes under Cheating, and he should straight-up eat a DQ and ban for that.
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Oct 24, 2016 06:37
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Jabor posted:I mean, the judge was correct that if a player casts rest in peace, it resolves, and then the player moves on without anything happening to the graveyards then the trigger is missed. 
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Oct 24, 2016 06:52
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Jabor posted:I mean, the judge was correct that if a player casts rest in peace, it resolves, and then the player moves on without anything happening to the graveyards then the trigger is missed. Yeah basically. If you see that video, it's pretty clear what Kent was doing. Moving his graveyard aside, taking his hand off it, and then moving it back shows a pretty clear intent to deceive. e: btw apparently Hoogland is a terrible person indeed: https://twitter.com/OwenTweetenwald/status/790425435142094848 Hellsau fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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So I opened 13 chests online and i don't know what I've won. One of my rare slots was taken up by a common (good ol' Scion) and apparently Black Market is being bought for 15 tickets, but is a non-foil Expedition Tarn just the same value as a regular Zendikar Tarn? None of the bots want to buy it. I can just swap it for one of my other Tarns, but this is kind of ridiculous. I hope this experiment crashes and burns when the chests become tradable and we can go back to having regular old prizes again. Getting paid in fun money is kind of stupid, but at least I'd be able to draft a whole lot of Innistrad later this week.
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Oct 24, 2016 08:08
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Expeditions aren't redeemable anyway I don't think, so probably the non-foil ends up being worth more.
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Oct 24, 2016 08:10
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Dehtraen posted:Ross insulted Hoogland's receding hairline and Hoogland dissed Ross's leather jacket. They're gonna meet in the Octagon next SCG Open. I hope they get paired up against each other in a feature match next SCG event.
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Oct 24, 2016 08:45
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"A player lies to a tournament official about what happened in a game to make his case stronger" is literally the second example in the "Unsporting Conduct - Cheating" section of the IPG, for what that's worth. Also, since we mentioned Eternal the other day: An Eternal thread would go into Games right? Only similar one I know is Hearthstone, which is the Blizzard subforum, so that doesn't help.
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Oct 24, 2016 10:07
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Serperoth posted:"A player lies to a tournament official about what happened in a game to make his case stronger" is literally the second example in the "Unsporting Conduct - Cheating" section of the IPG, for what that's worth. If there were stats available for what folks got DQd for, lying to a judge would probably be right up the top.
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Oct 24, 2016 11:04
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Jabor posted:Expeditions aren't redeemable anyway I don't think, so probably the non-foil ends up being worth more. The bots probably just aren't set up with prices for non-foil expeditions either.
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Oct 24, 2016 11:24
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Serperoth posted:Also, since we mentioned Eternal the other day: An Eternal thread would go into Games right? Only similar one I know is Hearthstone, which is the Blizzard subforum, so that doesn't help. I believe Hex thread at least is in Games too, so yeah I would guess so.
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Oct 24, 2016 11:48
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Lunsku posted:I believe Hex thread at least is in Games too, so yeah I would guess so. Gotcha. I'll set up an OP, then, and figure it out from there, thanks.
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Oct 24, 2016 11:57
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Why do you have to audibly announce the trigger from Rest in Peace? It's not a "you may" it's a hard "When it enters the battlefield, exile all graveyards" Was Kent just trying to be a rules lawyer trying to get that extra inch on his opponent. You know what RiP does, don't make a spectacle out of it. Jesusfuck some of these grinders are babyboy idiots
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Oct 24, 2016 13:09
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80s James Hetfield posted:Why do you have to audibly announce the trigger from Rest in Peace? It's not a "you may" it's a hard "When it enters the battlefield, exile all graveyards" Because the trigger rules are dumb. The funny thing is that twitter is showing that pro tour pros are saying this is bullshit and the only few defending it are scg grinders. Boohooglands twitter feed has been entertaining.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:15
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80s James Hetfield posted:Why do you have to audibly announce the trigger from Rest in Peace? It's not a "you may" it's a hard "When it enters the battlefield, exile all graveyards" It sure is still a trigger rather than an ETB effect. And yes, there's a whole bunch of grinders that spend their time learning how to game their opponent rather than actually getting better at Magic. They're a particular peeve of mine in the UK.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:34
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mfcrocker posted:It sure is still a trigger rather than an ETB effect. If you're a seasoned player you know what the spell does, don't be an rear end in a top hat about it. Me: Casting RiP Opponent: Sure, it resolves Then once it ETB's exile your poo poo. You don't need to have your hand held and be told to. If it was a "You may exile all GY's" upon ETB and it was missed then I'm 100% on board. I'm sure people will be like "tsk tsk, well it's part of the rules" and if you (Not you personally just you in general" are one of them you're an rear end and you and others like you who share this mindset are just one of the many reasons why this game isn't enjoyable as it could be. Luckily I avoid most of this because I don't play in these types of events but seeing that this happens in the community gives me the douche chills and makes me embarrassed for people who act this way.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:46
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mfcrocker posted:It sure is still a trigger rather than an ETB effect. Doesn't matter if you like it or not, having better knowledge of games rules to gain an advantage is explicitly part of the goal.
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Oct 24, 2016 13:50
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Sickening posted:The funny thing is that twitter is showing that pro tour pros are saying this is bullshit and the only few defending it are scg grinders. Boohooglands twitter feed has been entertaining. IMO there's a pretty strong analogy between the SCG grinder who's never made it anywhere on the pro tour, and the local game store big fish who thinks they're hot poo poo for winning fnm every week but never steps up to any real tournaments. It's the same mentality.
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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3795252 Eternal thread is here. Hoping the title isn't too much of an issue 
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Oct 24, 2016 13:59
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Jabor posted:IMO there's a pretty strong analogy between the SCG grinder who's never made it anywhere on the pro tour, and the local game store big fish who thinks they're hot poo poo for winning fnm every week but never steps up to any real tournaments. It's the same mentality. Yep, pretty much. The exceptions are guys like Todd stephens who despite him trying to play and entire second day with the flu, wouldn't be caught dead trying to argue a loving rip trigger. I also doubt Tom Ross would either. What a beautiful thing it would be for Tom to beat out boohoogland in the last event. That is what SCG should be making videos over, not these dumb Jim Davis videos.
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Oct 24, 2016 14:06
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80s James Hetfield posted:Why do you have to audibly announce the trigger from Rest in Peace? It's not a "you may" it's a hard "When it enters the battlefield, exile all graveyards" I called this post on IRC like 12 hours ago  1. Because it's a trigger that you can miss and you're not required to play your opponent's cards for them. 2. You don't have to audibly announce your trigger. You have to acknowledge it in some way. Removing your own graveyard, for example. Or pointing to theirs or tapping RiP or their graveyard or basically anything that indicates that you know what your card does. What happens in the video is something else entirely. This is Ketter shortcutting by playing his opponent's card for him (which is fine.) The problem comes when he then takes it back because his opponent doesn't say "trigger" or something. He has no reason to say it or do anything else because the trigger has already resolved via Ketter's actions. It'd be like someone saying "well you didn't acknowledge your trigger twice so it didn't resolve." And to play devil's advocate, what if Kent legitimately didn't know what RiP did and his opponent didn't announce his trigger?
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Sickening posted:Yep, pretty much. The exceptions are guys like Todd stephens who despite him trying to play and entire second day with the flu, wouldn't be caught dead trying to argue a loving rip trigger. I also doubt Tom Ross would either. Honestly if SCG took all of their "Pros" and made ridiculous wrestling style "I'm comin' for you Do the top-8 of the Players Championship as a "Hell-in-a-cell" match. Complete with actual cages coming down over each play area. 
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suicidesteve posted:I called this post on IRC like 12 hours ago Why didn't the broadcasters point out what Ketter did to the judges?
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mcmagic posted:Why didn't the broadcasters point out what Ketter did to the judges? They were too busy bitching about the format.  I also don't think I have ever heard the casters complain about a judge call. Its probably on the list of things they aren't allowed to do.
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mcmagic posted:Why didn't the broadcasters point out what Ketter did to the judges? I didn't ask them.
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Sickening posted:They were too busy bitching about the format. I've definitely seen casters point stuff out to the judges before like for gamestate errors and seen it corrected.
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Skyl3lazer posted:Doesn't matter if you like it or not, having better knowledge of games rules to gain an advantage is explicitly part of the goal. The part of the MTR that refers to this was changed pretty much entirely to kill off this argument. It now reads "A player should have an advantage due to better understanding of the options provided by the rules of the game". An explanation of the change can be found at http://blogs.magicjudges.org/telliott/2016/01/18/ogw-policy-changes/ quote:There’s a few changes in the MTR (welcome, Wastes!) and one small but important one I want to call attention to, because it’s been a source of misunderstanding over the years: “The philosophy of the DCI is that a player should have an advantage due to better understanding of the rules of a game…” This has sometimes been held up as a defense of rules lawyering, which could not be further from the truth. Knowing what the rules are gives you an advantage because it opens up your decision tree; you may be aware of paths to take that other players might not be, and so that sentence has been altered to make this clearer. Of course, knowing the rules isn’t always an advantage. Sometimes you can see too many paths! E: Also, to be clear I'm fully aware that they're allowed to angle shoot (non-sporting conduct isn't necessarily Unsporting Conduct) but if my time in both MTG and poker has taught me anything is that these players tend to be wasting their time on this sort of nonsense rather than actually spending it getting better; that's why you see it fairly rarely at the actual top of the game. mfcrocker fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Cernunnos posted:Honestly if SCG took all of their "Pros" and made ridiculous wrestling style "I'm comin' for you This would actually be cool and good since the drama is already set up for them. They can wear costumes and take autographs during SCG events. We already have heels and they can bring back the infamous Explorer persona if he still plays.
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Jabor posted:IMO there's a pretty strong analogy between the SCG grinder who's never made it anywhere on the pro tour, and the local game store big fish who thinks they're hot poo poo for winning fnm every week but never steps up to any real tournaments. It's the same mentality.
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Oct 24, 2016 15:01
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It's pretty cool that a kid from a store 5 mins from my house who I have known for 4 years pretty much came up with the best deck in standard.
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mcmagic posted:It's pretty cool that a kid from a store 5 mins from my house who I have known for 4 years pretty much came up with the best deck in standard. Which deck is the best deck in standard this week? U/W midrange? Sickening fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Chill la Chill posted:It becomes worse when they do step up and get shat on. They then carry that chip on their shoulder and have an attitude of someone with something to prove. Then they get mad at you for doing well when you don't spend nearly as much time practicing the game as they do and spend all your tournament prep time playing Halo and COD the night before instead. It's also the point when these sorts of folks tend to turn to actual cheating; they've spent a long time considering themselves hot poo poo and can tend to try and make reality match up with their view of themselves.
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Oct 24, 2016 15:10
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Sickening posted:Which deck is the best deck in standard this week? B/W midrange? WU Flash.
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Oct 24, 2016 15:14
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MTGoldfish and Hoogland were playing U/W flash back in SoI, it's not really a new thing
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Oct 24, 2016 15:26
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mcmagic posted:Why didn't the broadcasters point out what Ketter did to the judges? WoTC pretty explicitly doesn't want to use coverage got help judge calls because not every match has that luxury. When "the booth" corrects boardstate it tends to be things that are GRV not just missed triggers and the like (things you would be allowed to point out if you were watching). Now, why they don't ask the coverage people what they saw is a different story (which is allowed during investigation if the judge knows you were watching.)
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80s James Hetfield posted:MTGoldfish and Hoogland were playing U/W flash back in SoI, it's not really a new thing Nah it was a pretty different list.
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