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Orange Red Bull posted:glenns career in america died he'll probably show up as a force ghost throughout the season, if he's not too busy making convention money. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Slugworth posted:Man, I hate to be the one to tell you, but the writer of the comic book is on record as saying he wanted TWD to be a series that never ends - No climax, no denouement, just an unending series of events. It will end when people stop reading/watching, and there will be no satisfying conclusion - By design. OTOH, I had heard he had the ending already written and was working toward it or at least stretching out the middle. This reminds me of when the creator of Heroes (2006 TV show) said he had a napkin-plan for 5 seasons ahead, and then it went nowhere. It makes me have trust issues with TV shows that are still airing, when I could just wait for them to be over and binge watch them after I'll know if they've had a satisfying ending. I liked the RV ride and the Abraham/Isaac moment, but they shouldn't have included any of those jump cuts. It looked like they were intended to visualize what Rick was thinking about, but it was implausible that he thought of the deaths of every single member of the line-up, and it took me out of it because I know they were just looking for an excuse to use all the footage they used. The second time I heard the something something Sunday dinner line, I was thinking "Yeah, yeah, I already heard that. You don't need to draw me a picture to go with it like this is a children's book." That kind of scene only works if the characters actually ever were shown to be having Sunday dinners together. Otherwise it comes off as cheesy as having the aftershow party in a graveyard. This episode would have been better if it were half as long. Maybe after the show's over, someone will make either a The Walking Dead Kai or The Walking Dead Abridged version and it'll be better.
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Oct 24, 2016 18:44
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I'm reading so many reviews like this crying that last night's episode was too violent. I mean really? It seems hilarious to me to complain about violence in a show like Walking Dead. They've done some hosed up poo poo throughout the series. They're all hung up on the violence like little bitches
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Oct 24, 2016 18:56
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Give the writers credit. They made the viewership actually feel something.
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Oct 24, 2016 18:57
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I watched the episode. I feel disgusted. Not because of the graphic depictions of violence, but because of the ... disrespectful and flippant way the story is being treated. I guess? I'm disgusted with the people who came up with this. It's like watching someone destroy their own toys. Sure, I guess if you want to irreversibly melt your star wars figures with real fire in the throes of your passionate play storyline that's, uh, ok, but I don't have to like it, or participate. I'm going to do something else now. Suck my nuts. Edit: the disgusting violence wasn't any scene or plot point. It was that the whole setup and execution was disgusting violence against storytelling itself. It feels akin to the reason I don't watch reality television. Too much bullshit manufactured with an extra veneer of manipulation by presenting itself as unscripted. Vorgen fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 18:58
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:I'm reading so many reviews like this crying that last night's episode was too violent. I mean really? It seems hilarious to me to complain about violence in a show like Walking Dead. They've done some hosed up poo poo throughout the series. You're either retarded or just willfully ignorant of what those people were arguing over in the article you listed. Yes, TWD is filled with violence. Yes, everyone expects it to be violent. The point of that article is that they aren't using the violence and gore to achieve anything thematically. All they did was murder someone who had literally just gotten back from the grave several episodes beforehand, and then use it as an excuse to show off how bad this new bad dude is. The show is going nowhere. Every season is just a newer and bigger biker gang for them to fight against. The comics may have transitioned to being about building a new world out of the ashes, but the show that has real life aging actors in it doesn't have the luxury of time to spend another season fighting another biker gang before it gets to that era. They need to give viewers some kind of light at the end of the tunnel because everything they've done for the last three seasons leaves people who don't read the comics to believe that there's nothing else to look forward to and that all they're doing is spinning the wheels until all the notable core characters are murdered for shock value and ratings.
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Oct 24, 2016 19:14
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YA BOY ETHAN COUCH posted:they aren't using the violence and gore to achieve anything thematically. All they did was murder someone who had literally just gotten back from the grave several episodes beforehand, and then use it as an excuse to show off how bad this new bad dude is This is how the show has operated almost from day one. It really shouldn't be a surprise seven seasons in.
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Oct 24, 2016 19:19
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YA BOY ETHAN COUCH posted:You're either retarded or just willfully ignorant of what those people were arguing over in the article you listed. I agree with everything you said here. quote:They need to give viewers some kind of light at the end of the tunnel because everything they've done for the last three seasons leaves people who don't read the comics to believe that there's nothing else to look forward to and that all they're doing is spinning the wheels until all the notable core characters are murdered for shock value and ratings. This I disagree with though. The showrunners can do whatever they want. If they want to blatantly manipulate their audiences until the show is cancelled, they can do that. It doesn't mean that everyone has to like it or that everyone has to keep watching. This is what is infuriating. Drama is all about manipulating emotions in service of a narrative. This latest episode, and TWD in general, is about manipulation for its own sake. There's no meaning here, just faux sentimentality. That's the biggest affront to me as a viewer. Big Mean Jerk posted:This is how the show has operated almost from day one. It really shouldn't be a surprise seven seasons in. Except it hasn't? Nearly every death was in the service of some larger theme or plot. Carol's daughter died and made Carol a different character (one who's development allowed for more development). Lori and T-Dog died in the prison to both underscore how dangerous the place still was and to develop Carl and Carol's characters. These events had meaning. "Killing" Glenn, bringing him back after 3-4 episodes, then killing him off a season later is without meaning. The only reasons to put Glenn through the first death is 1) to really mean it, leave him dead, and signal a break from the comics or 2) flagrantly manipulate your audience (both of the tv show and those who've already read the comic). They've chosen option 2 and made option 2 the very core of the show at this point. Thwomp fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 19:23
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I couldn't understand anything that Maggie was cry-talking about Did she want to bury the bodies but didn't want anyone else to?
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Oct 24, 2016 19:31
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YA BOY ETHAN COUCH posted:You're either retarded or just willfully ignorant of what those people were arguing over in the article you listed. That has been crystal clear from the start that there is no light at the end of the tunnel except for surviving. This is what the CDC episode in Season 1 was about. This is what the show has always been. What a dumb loving article.
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Oct 24, 2016 19:35
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Thwomp posted:I agree with everything you said here. Yes, you are right and that they can do whatever they want. They can also just change the next season into an episodic musical about christmas and you would still be right. I didn't mean "they need to..." because they are legally obligated to. I mean "if they want to actually make thier show worth watching and keep their audience enjoying the show" then they should do something to signal to their very loyal and annoyed audience that at some point the characters that they've followed for the last 7 years will have something good happen and that there might be a reason to exist in this lovely new world. So far I'm not sure why there haven't been more suicides in this show, given how relentlessly the protagonists are tortured. There was a lot of hub bub in the first season about that one girl who wanted to kill herself and how everyone didn't want to let her do it. But hell, she looks pretty smart given all the pointless bullshit the other characters have endured to get nowhere. Or yes like you said they can just run it into the ground like they've been doing for the last three seasons with increasingly boring plot lines and no real goal other than "survive for another episode".
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Oct 24, 2016 19:39
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Oct 24, 2016 19:39
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moist turtleneck posted:I couldn't understand anything that Maggie was cry-talking about Glenn at least I think, after she wanted them to let her go to hilltop on her own and for them to go back to prep for war
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Oct 24, 2016 19:41
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:I'm reading so many reviews like this crying that last night's episode was too violent. theverge article posted:Remember back in season one when the gang chopped up a corpse, poured its blood over their faces and wore its entrails, that was so awesome. We're totally going to have a zombie themed wedding. I ripped the "my other vehicle is a tardis" sticker from the back of my Subaru and can't wait for my "BRAAIIINS!" sticker to arrive.
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Oct 24, 2016 19:42
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some guy on the bus posted:That has been crystal clear from the start that there is no light at the end of the tunnel except for surviving. This is what the CDC episode in Season 1 was about. This is what the show has always been. What a dumb loving article. Except that works as an idea for a setting but a super lovely one for a narrative. There's a reason why 3 and 5 act structures exist. Audiences crave structure and knowing that a story has a start and an ending. TWD is moving forward with very little narrative momentum or plotting. The group is just going to keep surviving until....what? This was/is a problem with the comics and it's certainly a problem for the show now. Will the show just end in season 8 or 9 with the group whittling away to just Rick? Will they rebuild society? After 7 years, the show has no answers or hints at what the end looks like.
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Oct 24, 2016 19:46
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moist turtleneck posted:I couldn't understand anything that Maggie was cry-talking about she wanted everyone else to go back to Alexandria because they were out there in the first place trying to get her to Hilltop because she got sick or had an infection or something last season
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Oct 24, 2016 19:47
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I appreciate them going all the way with Glenn but they let bugeyed Glenn hang out for way too long and this whole episode should've been cut down and in last season's finale
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Oct 24, 2016 19:50
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People are being really weird about other people saying the episode felt cheap and stupid. They're not just saying "it was too bloody." I thought the season-long build up was a lot of rubbish sprinkled with some good moments and there's no way it was going to build to something emotionally satisfying, and using Glenn in particular is cheap and stupid because we already had a long Glenn's (Not) Dead! bit that dragged on way too long. That said: I like Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
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Oct 24, 2016 20:01
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Thwomp posted:Except that works as an idea for a setting but a super lovely one for a narrative. There's a reason why 3 and 5 act structures exist. Audiences crave structure and knowing that a story has a start and an ending. TWD is moving forward with very little narrative momentum or plotting. The group is just going to keep surviving until....what? Until nothing, that's it. It's just like real life. It sucks, bad things will keep happening, people you like will die one after the other, then you die. I'd be totally fine with a zombie soap opera that could go on for 30-50 years.
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Oct 24, 2016 20:04
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They seemed ok with the good guys killing a bunch of people in their sleep too
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Oct 24, 2016 20:05
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Yeah but they killed those guys in their sleep because they were growing the Devil's Weed so kids wouldn't get hooked on the streets
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Oct 24, 2016 20:12
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Imagine the outcry the night Daryl bites the big one in Season 37. Even people who stopped watching at the Season 7 mark will be so upset they'll have to miss work because the ten separate viewing parties they were invited to but didn't attend broke down into hysterics when all the parents and fangirls watching simultaneously fainted.
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Oct 24, 2016 20:13
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I would rather have lost Daryl and kept Big Dumb Abraham.
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some guy on the bus posted:Until nothing, that's it. It's just like real life. It sucks, bad things will keep happening, people you like will die one after the other, then you die. I'd be totally fine with a zombie soap opera that could go on for 30-50 years. And just like in "real life" we fight one super evil guy with his gang after another and come out of it victorious... so please don't argue with rl bleakness because the show doesn't support it. It only does so when it's convenient but outside of it it follows the typical TV and story telling tropes even more than most other shows. That's why it can't just ignore something like a narrative structure or things to look forward to (as characters and viewers).
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Oct 24, 2016 20:29
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:I would rather have lost Daryl and kept Big Dumb Abraham. There are several characters I'd killed before Abraham. Mostly because his character added a much needed element to the show and it's never smart to kill off an elemental nobody else brings. I thought the same thing with Herschel, whom I think they should have kept on and killed here instead, after everything. That'd double mindfucked Maggie and given us a lot more time with an aspect of the show we could have used.
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Oct 24, 2016 20:31
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The guy is right though, the show needs some closure. Either let them all die fighting or let them find some kind of safe place, even if it's understood that the place isn't a permanent answer. Nobody wants to spend the next 10 years having these clutzy writers try to figure out how to make everyone's favorite characters die and then get replaced by younger and cheaper actors. Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad at least have the wherewithal and maturity to say "we acknowledge that the format of our show and the tension that we create with our plotlines can't be extended forever". Walking Dead should do the same and recognize that it's overstaying its welcome and people are being pushed away by it.
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Oct 24, 2016 20:33
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That was a good ep. People are kind of missing the point by judging it on who got batted, the point was to detail how Rick got switched back into bitch mode. Also Trevor haz a pen.
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Oct 24, 2016 20:32
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AndyElusive posted:Suck muh nuts. Did anybody else think, after Abraham says this line, that when Rick was kneeling down on the ground next to Negan that they were actually going to do that scene in the comics where Negan makes Rick suck his dick? Maybe Negan would say something beforehand like "Your ol' buddy Abraham gave me a great idea, yessir..."
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Oct 24, 2016 20:34
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My god so much whining about the violence level. I think it was stupid to ice a character and there's lots to complain about in Walking Dead all of the time, but really? Really? We ALL KNEW precisely what was coming and we've all seen this level of violence to hero characters before. It's loving hilarious.
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Oct 24, 2016 20:39
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King Vidiot posted:Did anybody else think, after Abraham says this line, that when Rick was kneeling down on the ground next to Negan that they were actually going to do that scene in the comics where Negan makes Rick suck his dick? Maybe Negan would say something beforehand like "Your ol' buddy Abraham gave me a great idea, yessir..." At no time did I think AMC's The Walking Dead would have a scene in the Season 7 premier where Rick Grimes is forced to give oral pleasure to Negan the All-Star Batter for the Atlanta Saviors. Maybe he'd force Eugene, but not Rick. Tortuga posted:Also Trevor haz a pen. It's cool that I'm now watching two dramas in 2016 where Trevor Phillips is a character in them. GTAV really gave his career a shot in the arm.
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Tortuga posted:Also Trevor haz a pen. for a moment it felt like they were going into a dark comedy parody version of the show, with a gag where Trevor keeps patting around on his body to feel for which pocket he put the pen in for like 3 minutes. I mean, I've done the patting thing before when someone's asked me for something
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Thwomp posted:Except that works as an idea for a setting but a super lovely one for a narrative. There's a reason why 3 and 5 act structures exist. Audiences crave structure and knowing that a story has a start and an ending. TWD is moving forward with very little narrative momentum or plotting. The group is just going to keep surviving until....what? This was/is a problem with the comics and it's certainly a problem for the show now. Counterpoint: soap operas exist, and are very popular. I'm not saying it isn't ok to say you're done watching because the show is like a soap, and that isn't what you want. That's perfectly reasonable. It's less reasonable, though, to say that the never ending series of events/soapy style that kirkman has stated he's going for isn't a valid narrative choice, which is what it seems like you are saying unless I'm misreading. For a lot of people that is a draw. Plus, as you know a lot of these criticisms will be addressed. Sure, they took far too long getting there I won't argue that point, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.
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Even at its most grim I'm glad the characters on this show actually like each other, though they should have more personal conflicts. I actually thought the end of Fear Walking Dead season 2 was meaner and stupider than this by a wide margin. I still feel dumb for watching that second season.
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King Vidiot posted:Did anybody else think, after Abraham says this line, that when Rick was kneeling down on the ground next to Negan that they were actually going to do that scene in the comics where Negan makes Rick suck his dick? Maybe Negan would say something beforehand like "Your ol' buddy Abraham gave me a great idea, yessir..." Am... Am I forgetting a scene from the comics?
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Oct 24, 2016 20:52
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I liked the scene in the comics where they introduced Poochie only to send him back to his home planet just a couple periodicals later
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Oct 24, 2016 20:56
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Honestly if this show even attempts the Necromancer plot from the most recent comic it will be Show of the Year for all years.
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Oct 24, 2016 20:58
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Boner Zone posted:and this whole episode should've been cut down and in last season's finale This is the biggest problem. The shock value wasn't in the deaths we all had months to comes to term with. It would have been much better if Abe got brained and then with five minutes left Glen also got it in the series finale and the cliff hanger was Rick getting dragged off. I had more a wtf moment when Lori died and I loving hated Lori.
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Oct 24, 2016 20:59
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Vitamin P posted:Honestly if this show even attempts the Necromancer plot from the most recent comic it will be Show of the Year for all years. Season finale is Rick waking up in a hospital bed in Atlanta after being in a coma.
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Oct 24, 2016 21:00
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Rick rides the tiger into the sunset, gentle music accompanies.
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:Rick rides the tiger into the sunset, gentle music accompanies. Is Negan's dick stripey in the comics?
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