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YA BOY ETHAN COUCH posted:The point of that article is that they aren't using the violence and gore to achieve anything thematically. All they did was murder someone who had literally just gotten back from the grave several episodes beforehand, and then use it as an excuse to show off how bad this new bad dude is. Well, let's look at it another way. How this time is different was Rick thinking that his crew was so badass that biker gangs were no big thing, and that instead of merely defending themselves they could go out and pick a fight with one and straight-up murder a bunch of bikers for a reward. And protect their rickety-walled town full of dentists and housewives from attacks, too. Negan's first lesson is that craftiness and willpower only count for so much when the other side's just as crafty and a lot bigger and stronger.
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Cactus posted:Counterpoint: soap operas exist, and are very popular. I'd argue that soap operas are more transparent about what they bring to the table. They know they're a soap opera and don't pretend to be anything else. Characters are largely the same even after decades of playing the same character. TWD takes narrative progression, serial storytelling, and character development but then jams it into a soap-opera-continuing-forever format. You can't have both. Either you tune into the weekly "Rick and co take out a pack of zombies while looking for (X) resource" show or you tune into the "The Story of Rick and Co and their (non-)Survival of the Zombie Apocalypse" show. TWD frustrates me because it consciously incorporates serial storytelling hallmarks and does almost nothing with them. quote:Plus, as you know a lot of these criticisms will be addressed. Sure, they took far too long getting there I won't argue that point, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. I currently see no light. Thwomp fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 21:07
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I'm done because I don't have any more characters to root for. Glenn and Maggie were it, I've come to hate the entire rest of the cast and their deaths would not move me at all, so there's no reason for me to follow this story anymore. I guess I could watch just for Maggie but this is a show where characters are off-screen for multiple episodes at a time so it may be tough.
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Oct 24, 2016 21:09
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Basebf555 posted:I'm done because I don't have any more characters to root for. Glenn and Maggie were it, I've come to hate the entire rest of the cast and their deaths would not move me at all, so there's no reason for me to follow this story anymore. lmbo
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Vitamin P posted:Honestly if this show even attempts the Necromancer plot from the most recent comic it will be Show of the Year for all years. Now I want just one episode of Ash vs
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Oct 24, 2016 21:14
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I want Eugene to be the final character. He finds a place with power and a copy of Fallout and clicks away the rest of his life
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Oct 24, 2016 21:16
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Basebf555 posted:I'm done because I don't have any more characters to root for. Glenn and Maggie were it, I've come to hate the entire rest of the cast and their deaths would not move me at all, so there's no reason for me to follow this story anymore. I know how you feel, I was the same way when they took T-Dog from us. But somehow I managed. Always forward, never backward.
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Oct 24, 2016 21:15
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Remember when Maggie's sister disappeared and she didn't care and then she died and Maggie only cared about it for a couple of minutes? Odds of that happening with Glenn too?
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LinkesAuge posted:And just like in "real life" we fight one super evil guy with his gang after another and come out of it victorious... so please don't argue with rl bleakness because the show doesn't support it. It only does so when it's convenient but outside of it it follows the typical TV and story telling tropes even more than most other shows. That's why it can't just ignore something like a narrative structure or things to look forward to (as characters and viewers). I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying it needs to be like this for the sake of being realistic. I'm saying I really like that it's an extreme version of real life. In real life, bad things keep happening, people keep dying, babies keep getting born, there won't be any cure for death. Every single person will have a bad end but it will keep going. I kind of like that WD is an extreme reflection of that. I don't see why they ever have to find a cure. I don't think I want them to. I'd be okay if years later, it's Carl, Judith, Maggie's baby, and a new generation of characters. And everyone else is gone.
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Oct 24, 2016 21:16
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Glenn got what he deserved for being a sex-haver. If only he hadn't shown Maggie those monster condoms that he uses on his magnum dong...
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Hmm. I have zero hope for this season. I'm glad that they revisited their one hundred burning logs set piece just to confirm that yes, zombies are attracted to fire. EDIT: Do cemeteries also serve as like a stadium for your TV events? I watched like a minute of that cringy talk show after the episode and he claimed that he and that horde of people were on some cemetery watching Walking Dead. Cheering, shouting, booing and generally just making a racket. On a cemetery. ??? Gortarius fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Oct 24, 2016 |
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Oct 24, 2016 21:26
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AndyElusive posted:How come no Abes blood flew on all of them, camouflaging them. This was one of the times when that actually worked. Yeah, I don't know. If they would have any sort of consistency then all of Negans guys would've been munched after all the racket they made.
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Nah. Negan was smart enough to set his zombie canyon on fire.
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Gortarius posted:Do cemeteries also serve as like a stadium for your TV events? I watched like a minute of that cringy talk show after the episode and he claimed that he and that horde of people were on some cemetery watching Walking Dead. Cheering, shouting, booing and generally just making a racket. On a cemetery. They were in L.A. so I just assumed all cemeteries in L.A. are basically venues you can rent out like auditoriums or banquet halls for birthdays, graduations, high school dances, bar mitzvahs and poo poo like that.
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Oct 24, 2016 21:38
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Didn't realize how sick I was of the main cast until Negan started swinging. I'm hoping he kills all of them and the show just becomes about Negan on a murderous rampage.
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AndyElusive posted:They were in L.A. so I just assumed all cemeteries in L.A. are basically venues you can rent out like auditoriums or banquet halls for birthdays, graduations, high school dances, bar mitzvahs and poo poo like that. The Hollywood cemetery is a popular venue for these types of events. Movies and concerts are held there all year, not normal but it's sort of a whole Hollywood tie in since I'm sure some celebs you've all heard of are buried there.
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El Tortuga posted:Am... Am I forgetting a scene from the comics? Nah, I looked it up and apparently that was a line from Negan but it doesn't literally happen. I've never read the comic so I misremembered the context. The line was something like "You just took my dick to the back of your throat and I made you thank me for it".
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some guy on the bus posted:I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying it needs to be like this for the sake of being realistic. I'm saying I really like that it's an extreme version of real life. In real life, bad things keep happening, people keep dying, babies keep getting born, there won't be any cure for death. Every single person will have a bad end but it will keep going. I kind of like that WD is an extreme reflection of that. I don't see why they ever have to find a cure. I don't think I want them to. I'd be okay if years later, it's Carl, Judith, Maggie's baby, and a new generation of characters. And everyone else is gone. if you honestly think that's what real life is and that's all there is to it then you should see a therapist
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moist turtleneck posted:I want Eugene to be the final character. He finds a place with power and a copy of Fallout and clicks away the rest of his life "Why play Fallout? As the only guy who can make bullets I can get even Negan's people to built me a replica vault to crank bullets out in and live the dream"
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Blazing Ownager posted:"Why play Fallout? As the only guy who can make bullets I can get even Negan's people to built me a replica vault to crank bullets out in and live the dream" Surely they would go the Breaking Bad route and just have him teach them how to make bullets
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Oct 24, 2016 22:18
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Well now that Rosita is all freed up Eugene can build bullets and bang Rosita.
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Oct 24, 2016 22:20
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Now I really want Eugene to pull a Walter White and go Evil and Cool
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YA BOY ETHAN COUCH posted:if you honestly think that's what real life is and that's all there is to it then you should see a therapist I have better. I have E/N.
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moist turtleneck posted:Now I really want Eugene to pull a Walter White and go Evil and Cool Since Eugene is already cool  all he needs to do is turn evil.
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Manic Mailman posted:Well now that Rosita is all freed up Eugene can build bullets and bang Rosita. Rosita is already banging some Alexandria redshirt
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I am sorry a show about zombies is too gross for you. May I suggest Big Bang Theory?
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some guy on the bus posted:Are you kidding? Seeing Shirreen get burned alive in GoT was 100x worse than this. It was dragged out, lasted forever, it was being done to a child, and they devoted 30 minutes of build up to it. What's more, it didn't make any sense for the character to do it, or that he would be so dumb not to see what would happen as a result, so it really felt like it was done just to shock people. I respectfully disagree there. Rigidity and Desperation were the reason. The Red Witch was desperate to have Stannis the former Mannis succeed. Stannis was desperate to hold on to a throne he has already lost. Davos and Lord Snuh attempted to find another way but nope.... Stannis was going to do it. Stannis was rigid. He was the rightful King and was going to burn the world to get what was his. Stannis had, over time, sold bits and pieces of himself to claim that throne. He burned men that didn't kneel to his new god because they stood in his path to the crown. He started a bloody war because it was what he thought was right. He killed his brother because his was the rightful claim. He pressed on after most of his fleet burned(losing even more men) because he was the King. He imprisoned Davos as he defied Melisandre and Stannis. Stannis lost his last friends and sane family all in his quest for that really uncomfortable sword chair. All he had, aside from a handful of sycophants, was the Red Witch, imprisoned Davos and Shireen. He was pretty much done until he borrowed from the Iron Bank. He couldn't win but Melisandre kept feeding the whole "if you listen to me you will win." The onion knight is an amazing character but he still bent to that all consuming need in Stannis to become King. That last vestige of the man called Stannis kept him and Shireen around. Everything else was already sacrificed to the cause. He back was pressed to the wall and it was either fall back and live with what little he had left to him or continue on. Stannis was always rigid. Stannis would have that throne. He sent Davos away. Part because he would have stood in his way and part because he wanted to spare him, his last true devoted friend. He sent him away and his daughter died. His daughter who was a beacon of light. Who taught Davos to read. Who always had a smile on her imperfect face. Who always loved everyone. She died. Horribly. Screaming and burning. In the name of what he would have. Because he couldn't take the North any other way. Melisandre told him so. His own tactical knowledge told him he was going to lose. But he was Stannis and he would be King. You could see it in Stephen Dillane's eyes the entire story. I thought they did a decent job telling it. As Davos said after: Stannis killed Stannis. It was brutal, compelling and completely in character for Stannis. Stannis wouldn't change, Stannis wouldn't grow, Stannis wouldn't evolve so Stannis died. Could he have changed? Sure, but Stannis was rigid. That was an essential part of the man. There was something almost admirable about that... until it went to its logical conclusion. Renly would have been a better king. He would have had the BEST parties. He was easy to love. Nobody could love Stannis. Except Davos and the Princess Shireen. On topic: I eagerly await the heroic journey of Eugene the SUPERGOON. Poor bastard really tried and failed. It will be nice to see how or if he picks himself up and moves forward. I personally hope he grows a Camaro mullet. I want him to go full Joe Dirt. edit: Not sure why we are spoiling ONLY that specific part but will go along with it. Fairly sure anyone with internet access knows but I will attempt to be nice and spare anyone who avoided that specific thing. 
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Super Aggro Crag posted:I am sorry a show about zombies is too gross for you. May I suggest Big Bang Theory? You'd think people would have made up their mind after the Terminus cannibals where people were being literally slaughtered for their meat. I mean, this show only had children zombies being shot and horses being torn apart in the first episode as a way for the producers to let people know this show was going to be intense.
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I can't wait to see how Rick manages to gently caress Negan up. Every time he's told someone that he's going to kill them he has kept his word. I liked Abraham, his final words were pretty good too. Rick and crew still have most of their best fighters too, they lost Abraham who was a good fighter against both human and zombies. Glenn was a bad rear end in his own right but we really only saw him wreck zombies. They still have Rosita who's probably really really angry, Maggie, Michonne, Sasha, Morgan, and hopefully the walking one woman apocalypse known as Carol. Darryl too is bound to get some revenge. And don't forget Jesus and Gabriel who as of last season has seem to gone full on warrior priest. Once Rick and Co. get their poo poo together, Negan is hosed.
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Titan posted:Once Rick and Co. get their poo poo together, Negan is hosed. Is there any surprise, that is basically what the walking dead is. Leveling up to shittier villains and sacrificing a few cast members along the way, rinse and repeat. I don't know how many overwrought death montages viewers are going to be willing to sit through. Then again in a world that makes sense this shows ratings would have fallen off a long time ago, so zombies durr.
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I'm gonna keep watching this show until the end and keep warning people who haven't seen it to not even bother. No other show's done this to me. I'm a monster. I hate the writers and I hate myself. No other show has been this equally terrible and compelling. The story isn't even compelling; it's wondering what the lovely loving writers will do next that's got me hooked. Is this what soap operas are like? Am I a mom now? smoobles fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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I hope Eugene starts to grow out a handlebar in remembrance of his big buddy AbeTitan posted:I can't wait to see how Rick manages to gently caress Negan up. Every time he's told someone that he's going to kill them he has kept his word. You forgot Enid, rear end-kicking emo warrior
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Titan posted:Once Rick and Co. get their poo poo together, Negan is hosed. Frankly, it depends more on how long they can keep JDM under contract. Realistically, they should be well into next season before Negan's storylines approach resolution.
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I still don't get the whiners, this show isn't remotely at "hate-watching" levels of badness. Dexter post-season 4 was the worst loving poo poo I've ever seen and yet I still stuck it out, and to this day I wish I hadn't. The Walking Dead has never even come close to that insultingly bad. It's a mediocre daytime drama with zombies, and now emotionally-manipulative cliffhangers and head crushings. I'll continue to watch because it's mildly engaging. It's fine, it's a totally fine and okay show. Jesus christ.
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smoobles posted:I'm gonna keep watching this show until the end and keep warning people who haven't seen it to not even bother. You could be a wrestling fan. That's what Monday Night Raw is like. The only difference is it's a 3 hour long show and even less likely to be good. Sounds like it's right up your alley. Join us in Rowdy Ringsports.
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p good ep, negan rly cool and interesting nice to see rick get truly owned and give in, some good acting on his part there and a refreshing change in character i tabbed out for the gross parts cause i know from experience that i handle that poo poo poorly and lie awake at night (did with comic at this part and that nerdy black kid that got his face pulled off) the big question is how many terrible filler episodes were gonna between now and the next finale  hopefully very few and carl terminally needs a haircut
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King Vidiot posted:I still don't get the whiners, this show isn't remotely at "hate-watching" levels of badness. While it's no 3rd season of Heroes/American Horror Story, Walking Dead has absolutely reached hate watching levels of badness. Hell I'm surprised the series even survived the farm. It's just that it keeps veering wildly up and down on the quality scale. Sometimes it's great and sometimes .. it's not.
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smoobles posted:No other show has been this equally terrible and compelling. The story isn't even compelling; it's wondering what the lovely loving writers will do next that's got me hooked. Is this what soap operas are like? Am I a mom now? I can tell you exactly what it is. "gently caress this show, I'll watch the other shows about the apocalypse.. let's see.. there's like four cable shows that died after a season, some crappy 70s stuff that lasted a season, the even more insufferable Fear the Walking Dead, or Z-Nation (the only good choice)." They should just make a Fallout TV show or something.
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