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attackmole posted:The Warriors literally added one player. This isn't about them going out and spending a billion dollars buying out the league talent. They literally just hit the lottery at the right time with Durant becoming a free agent right when the cap jumped. I can see why you have issues with it, hell I'm on the side that it's a bitchmade move, but saying that the NBA should do something about it is a mix of laughable and impossible. It wasn't an unfair trade and GS did nothing sketchy. As long as there exist single players in basketball that affect the game in such dramatic ways (your durants, lebrons, currys, etc.) poo poo like this is gonna happen once in a while. an mvp in his prime joining a historically good team has almost certainly never happened in any major american sport? i can't think of anything in basketball or football but maybe im wrong. i dont know what the nba could do to prevent it but it seems less routine than you are making it out to be i mean the reason its never happened before is probably just cause no one that good at something is usually that loving bitchmade that their only hope at winning is gutting their oppositions main rivals and joining them
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Ghost Dog posted:an mvp in his prime joining a historically good team has almost certainly never happened in any major american sport? i can't think of anything in basketball or football but maybe im wrong. i dont know what the nba could do to prevent it but it seems less routine than you are making it out to be Do you know how the Mongols became a horde? Every tribe they conquered got the choice to join in or be annhilated to the last man. So they go from some guys in the loving rear end in a top hat of mongolia to conquerors of the entire world. The most enthusiastic slaughterers at the battle of Baghdad were Georgian Christian troops who'd been conscripted after their kingdom was defeated. Is it bad for the NBA as a TV show? Maybe, maybe not. But it happened and it's time to watch the killing begin chunkles posted:when I go to Krispy Kreme I like to start off by givin my pancreas a little suplex, maybe a flying elbow. you know, put em in their place Love that hot wet insulin squirt Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Ghost Dog posted:an mvp in his prime joining a historically good team has almost certainly never happened in any major american sport? i can't think of anything in basketball or football but maybe im wrong. i dont know what the nba could do to prevent it but it seems less routine than you are making it out to be The only reason it hasn't happened is I don't think there has ever been a huge salary cap increase at the same time a star was a free agent. At least while the salary cap was a thing.
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Well yeah, that and the crazy salary cap spike. I'm not trying to make it out to be routine, I'm just saying that saying that as long as one player can change a team super significantly (which is a thing more in the NBA than other sports for sure), stuff like this has the potential to happen. This year was just the perfect storm that enabled it because the cap spike let good teams that normally are capped out sign a near-max player without blowing up the roster. I mean it's not a very strong opinion on my part because I'm just kinda throwing my hands up and saying "whelp, It's lame but what can you do". The situation is so unusual that any attempt to try to use it as a justification of some new parity enforcing rules seems like an ignorant move to me. Any ways I fully endorse making fun of Durant and the Warriors. e: beaten on the cap stuff.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:02
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Dejan Bimble posted:Do you know how the Mongols became a horde? Every tribe they conquered got the choice to join in or be annhilated to the last man. So they go from some guys in the loving rear end in a top hat of mongolia to conquerors of the entire world. The most enthusiastic slaughterers at the battle of Baghdad were Georgian Christian troops who'd been conscripted after their kingdom was defeated. really digging this analogy
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Superteams are definitely moneymakers for the NBA. Not only does the superteam get tons of eyeballs and get to jack up the ticket prices, but all the non-super teams get at least one home game where they can also mark up everything. Obviously the Warriors' chasing of records last season hugely expanded the regular season TV viewership since now regulat season games "mattered" for casual watchers who don't normally watch until the playoffs. I think superteams make the actual on-court basketball less interesting and less fun but that's obviously a secondary concern to the money for the owners.
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durant joining the warriors doesnt make then any more of a superteam it just made their competition worse. imagine being a player as good as durant and your major contribution to the team you are on is that you arent on another team jfc e: just to be clear i dont think the nba should do anything im just lobbing lukewarm takes at the wall about kevin durant being A Bitch Ghost Dog fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Ghost Dog posted:an mvp in his prime joining a historically good team has almost certainly never happened in any major american sport? i can't think of anything in basketball or football but maybe im wrong. i dont know what the nba could do to prevent it but it seems less routine than you are making it out to be Deion Sanders signing for the Cowboys as the reigning defensive player of the year in 1995 is probably the closest I can think of off the top of my head. But even a historically great cornerback in the NFL just isn't as crucial as an MVP caliber player in the NBA so.... Also since Sanders left a 49ers team that beat Dallas in the 1994 NFC title game that's closer to say Klay Thompson leaving the Warriors this summer to join Durant and Westbrook in OKC. Which would have been hilarious and awesome. tanglewood1420 fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Oct 25, 2016 03:10
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Boys, the NBA starts tomorrow
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the closest analogy is when the Bulls went out and got Jud Buechler
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Dejan Bimble posted:Do you know how the Mongols became a horde? Every tribe they conquered got the choice to join in or be annhilated to the last man. So they go from some guys in the loving rear end in a top hat of mongolia to conquerors of the entire world. The most enthusiastic slaughterers at the battle of Baghdad were Georgian Christian troops who'd been conscripted after their kingdom was defeated. Partly. What built them up before that was the Khan would confront a rival tribal headman with an offer of marriage to one of his daughters as an alternative to an rear end-kicking. While it looked like win/win, the daughter would become the defacto ruler of the rival tribe, while the headman went off to war with the Horde. Rinse, repeat. This probably works better as an analogy to The Process, idk.
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Oct 25, 2016 03:18
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attackmole posted:really digging this analogy this thread is really good when it gets onto the 13th century and how it relates to the put ball in hoop game
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Mr. Mambold posted:Partly. What built them up before that was the Khan would confront a rival tribal headman with an offer of marriage to one of his daughters as an alternative to an rear end-kicking. While it looked like win/win, the daughter would become the defacto ruler of the rival tribe, while the headman went off to war with the Horde. Rinse, repeat. This probably works better as an analogy to The Process, idk. The Process is more like the Habsburgs dominating Europe except their rulers were hampered by inbreeding so profound that they couldn't manage to successfully chew food.
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EMC posted:Boys, the NBA starts tomorrow Why watch, I heard it's already over
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R.D. Mangles posted:The Process is more like the Habsburgs dominating Europe except their rulers were hampered by inbreeding so profound that they couldn't manage to successfully chew food. Sounds like the Habsburg inbreeding analogy works better for the Bulls' management.
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Ghost Dog posted:an mvp in his prime joining a historically good team has almost certainly never happened in any major american sport? i can't think of anything in basketball or football but maybe im wrong. i dont know what the nba could do to prevent it but it seems less routine than you are making it out to be is this a joke about not remembering who Lebron James is or is this yet another subtle jab at Derrick Rose
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Shear Modulus posted:Sounds like the Habsburg inbreeding analogy works better for the Bulls' management. The Bulls management is clearly Turkmenbashi-era Turkmenistan.
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https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/790741955806322688 How??? E: here's a SAS discord if anyone is interested https://discordapp.com/invite/xW87dMj Metapod fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Ghost Dog posted:an mvp in his prime joining a historically good team has almost certainly never happened in any major american sport? i can't think of anything in basketball or football but maybe im wrong. i dont know what the nba could do to prevent it but it seems less routine than you are making it out to be how about clyde drexler moving to houston, and then winning the championship in '95?
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Mr. Mambold posted:Partly. What built them up before that was the Khan would confront a rival tribal headman with an offer of marriage to one of his daughters as an alternative to an rear end-kicking. While it looked like win/win, the daughter would become the defacto ruler of the rival tribe, while the headman went off to war with the Horde. Rinse, repeat. This probably works better as an analogy to The Process, idk. Thread recommendation: Dan Carlin's podcasts aren't perfect, but his series on the Mongols is pretty drat good.
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Dejan Bimble posted:Do you know how the Mongols became a horde? Every tribe they conquered got the choice to join in or be annhilated to the last man. So they go from some guys in the loving rear end in a top hat of mongolia to conquerors of the entire world. The most enthusiastic slaughterers at the battle of Baghdad were Georgian Christian troops who'd been conscripted after their kingdom was defeated.
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attackmole posted:really digging this analogy Yeah it's very solid. So does this mean the Warriors will win until the children of Curry, Klay and Durant go to other franchises? Rick fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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draymond green after listening to an episode of dan carlin's hardcore history: "look, when the ottomans conscripted young christian boys from the balkans to fight their wars, people in anatolia didn't get all pissed off, it's just what they did. this is how religious wars work. you can't get the caliphate to stretch as far as the setting sun unless you want it man. kevin is a selfless guy who just wants to win like us. i don't see why the nba has to function with a different set of rules." straight up brolic fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Get rid of the Max salary and all these problems go away. But mostly:dokmo posted:Jesus loving Christ
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straight up brolic posted:draymond green after listening to an episode of dan carlin's hardcore history: lmao, I'm loving this.
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straight up brolic posted:draymond green after listening to an episode of dan carlin's hardcore history: Draymond gonna be the fly in the ointment for this team. (Nice Hardcore History reference)
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:It's not crazy for teams to go into the season with a 14 man roster so they can have more trade flexibility They are the only team in the league doing it. Dinwiddie (the guy they just waived) was on a non-guaranteed deal anyway so they could have waived him at any time to facilitate a trade. Heck, having a non-guaranteed deal on the books likely increases your trade flexibility. They even have their own D-League team now to send a player or two down to. This isn't new to the Bulls though. A couple years ago they were so desperate to avoid the luxury tax that they kept 12 guys on the roster which is below the league minimum. They would sign a 10-day contract to get up to 13, waive the player, wait the 2 week (I believe) grace period before the league makes you pick up a 13th player, and do it all over again. Mind you this was a year the Bulls made the playoffs and had a ton of injuries so the extra couple roster slots would have been beneficial.
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MCW makes Dinwiddie entirely redundant, but yes they probably should have used that extra spot on somebody
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Kibner posted:Then I don't know why you have ever bothered with the NBA (or basketball, in general) to begin with. Parity is tough in basketball but I don't think he's asking for everyone to be a .500 team. Just that having 4 of the top 15 players in a 30 team league on the same team is ridiculously lopsided. Especially when the last two MVPs are on it. I mean the Finals will probably be fun but everything else is kind of pointless.
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Ghost Dog posted:an mvp in his prime joining a historically good team has almost certainly never happened in any major american sport? i can't think of anything in basketball or football but maybe im wrong. i dont know what the nba could do to prevent it but it seems less routine than you are making it out to be Clemens joining the Yankees when they had already won 3 in 4 years, and then Giambi joining soon after. Both Hull and Hasek joining the Red Wings when they were in the middle of their run and were forming a super team. Malone joining the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.
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Lockback posted:Get rid of the Max salary and all these problems go away. That's the solution right there. And the fairest because stars are vastly underpaid in this league at the expense of role players.
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Huh I don't know a lick about history, but seems clear to my eyes that Durant's bitchwaterEMC posted:Boys, the NBA starts tomorrow
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Spring Break My Heart posted:It's happened before. lol 40 year old malone that played 20 games for the lakers that season
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It's more than just Durant happening to hit free agency right as the cap spiked, it's also that the Warriors have the two-time reigning MVP and best shooter in the history of the game on an absurdly cheap contract.
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Here's my baseless power rankings that are dumb to even make due to not watching many preseason games this season (although that is the NBA's fault): 1. Warriors 2. Cavs 3. Spurs 4. Clippers 5. Raptors 6. Celtics 7. Rockets 8. Blazers 9. Pacers 10. Grizzlies 11. Mavericks 12. Hawks 13. Jazz 14. Pistons 15. Thunder 16. Knicks ____________Irrelevantly Mediocre___________________ 28. Sixers 29. Lakers 30. Nets
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being too kind to the knicks imo
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I think that this is when they will probably be most relevant this season, before they play basketball. I hope I"m wrong though, the Knicks are cool with me.
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Dejan Bimble posted:Do you know how the Mongols became a horde? Every tribe they conquered got the choice to join in or be annhilated to the last man. So they go from some guys in the loving rear end in a top hat of mongolia to conquerors of the entire world. The most enthusiastic slaughterers at the battle of Baghdad were Georgian Christian troops who'd been conscripted after their kingdom was defeated. So which one of the Warriors is Negan?
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This is an endorsement of the ketogenic diet imho "They were terrible to look at and indescribable, with large heads like a Buffalo, narrow eyes like a baby bird, a snub nose like a cat, big snouts like a dog, narrow waists like an ant, and short legs like a hog. They are as strong as lions but as shrill-voiced as hawks....They bear huge litters like snakes and eat like wolves. Death does not appear among them, for they live 300 years. They do not eat bread at all." If you guys haven't read the primary sources about the mongols, you should. There are great stories about men who have one arm and one leg, no head, a face on their torso, who fight by rolling at their enemy. There are dog men covered in fur who get in freezing water which turns to solid ice and acts like armor all over their bodies, it's great stuff quote:Detroit has claimed Miami guard Beno Udrih off waivers, league sources tell The Vertical. Pistons get backup PG. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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