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SunshineDanceParty posted:None of this would have happened if Rick and Daryl hadn't found Jesus last season. If they would have just killed Jesus, everything would still be normal.
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Oct 25, 2016 22:11
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Yeah, the gore didn't bother me, most of it was just Negan repeatedly bashing piles of much on the ground anyway. I don't even particularly care about who died. I'm just tired of the same old poo poo: guy does something terrible while joking and laughing about it, group is broken down psychologically, and then eventually exacts their revenge. If that's all the show is going to offer in the long run, then what's the point?
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King Vidiot posted:The Walking Dead has never even come close to that insultingly bad. I get what you're saying but tell me that the fantasy dream dinner sequence wasn't right out of a later season of Dexter.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I'd like to see them at least try to explain how Negan was able to build up his gang to begin with. If he treated people like this all the time, surely all of them must at least deep down want revenge on him for killing their family/friends. Was he nicer and reasonable early on? Like you can't become some feared dictator type if you're just some guy on your own with a bat going around telling people you own them, someone would just shoot him. Yeah. I'm having a hard time buying that this kind of group can exist and thrive. They're very very bad people. It would be so easy for someone to kill Negan. I'm sure there are some crazies in their ranks, right?
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Yeah, the gore didn't bother me, most of it was just Negan repeatedly bashing piles of much on the ground anyway. I don't even particularly care about who died. I'm just tired of the same old poo poo: guy does something terrible while joking and laughing about it, group is broken down psychologically, and then eventually exacts their revenge. If that's all the show is going to offer in the long run, then what's the point? BUT DON'T YOU SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!?!?!? Man is the REAL ENEMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! I mean goddamn TWD. We get it. People get mean and nasty in apocalypse scenarios. I wish they would move on and advanced the actual zombies a bit. Maybe some evolve a little. Maybe there ends up being a kind of hybrid that are a little more aware than most. Maybe people, oh I don't know, TRY TO loving FIGURE SOMETHING, ANYTHING, OUT ABOUT THIS NEW WORLD. Try to figure out a way to generate power, try to power a radio somehow. loving do goddamned anything Jesus H Christ.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Yeah, the gore didn't bother me, most of it was just Negan repeatedly bashing piles of much on the ground anyway. I don't even particularly care about who died. I'm just tired of the same old poo poo: guy does something terrible while joking and laughing about it, group is broken down psychologically, and then eventually exacts their revenge. If that's all the show is going to offer in the long run, then what's the point? this is my complaint, and a lot of peoples complaints. I'm almost waiting for the producers to come out and say 'dont you get it? its like a circle, it rhymes'. I think the only interesting thing is the multiple settlements aspect except its so obviously a Game of Thrones rip off. Especially given that the first season of GoT came out, then a year later this plotline pops up in the comics.
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YA BOY ETHAN COUCH posted:I'm not against killing off characters, but at the same time if their answer is to just kill another character in service of the exact same plot they had 4 years ago, then it's dumb. Enough with the roving gangs of men robbing and killing, it's getting boring. I'd rather see the show go in a way that explored picking up the pieces and trying to rebuild, with less frequent bouts of Mad-Maxian gunfights. Not saying you can't have roaming gangs of outlaws, but even just showing that there are separate groups of people willing to work together to achieve something would go a long way towards making the show a little more optimistic or at least that it's not just rehashing the same plots over and over. The last time a work of fiction dealt with trade agreements they called it The Phantom Menace
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ElectricSheep posted:The last time a work of fiction dealt with trade agreements they called it The Phantom Menace Oh yeah! I remember that movie! Pretty much the whole movie involved negotiating trade deals! So boring! Sad!
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I'm guessing since we got the good stuff out of the way we can go back to doing fuckall for the rest of the season. Lotta brooding monologues.
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InfiniteZero posted:I get what you're saying but tell me that the fantasy dream dinner sequence wasn't right out of a later season of Dexter. I'm waiting for that scene where Rick is trying to save somebody but he can't get to them because they're on the other side of a window, and he just stares like a lost puppy.
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BonoMan posted:Maybe people, oh I don't know, TRY TO loving FIGURE SOMETHING, ANYTHING, OUT ABOUT THIS NEW WORLD. This. This is my complaint. Rendering more extreme violence against familiar characters is the most dramatically inert way to bring "new drama" to the show. We've already seen this, so many times. The Governor did this exact thing with Hershel. The Terminus people walked that path, too. The only variation this time is how vivid they went with their depiction, and it feels exploitative because it is. "Man's inhumanity to man" is such a well-trod theme at this point, there just aren't many more places to take it. It sucks because last season, the whole "your world's about to get a whole lot bigger" thing actually grabbed me. I wanted to see new settlements, hear different stories from different characters. Rick & Co. building a ham radio and learning about different colonies up and down the Chesapeake would've been cool as hell. But nope: new warlord. I can't wait to see how they string out the next half season before the team gets the upper hand and kills him.
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InfiniteZero posted:I get what you're saying but tell me that the fantasy dream dinner sequence wasn't right out of a later season of Dexter. it was like they were ripping off a scene from Buffy the Vampire Slayer where she has a flashback to seeing her Mom's dead body, then they do a jump-cut back to it, except in no way did the scene serve any purpose but to add 30 seconds of filler by saying the same line twice, and maybe have another "oh look, the whole cast is all together" scene for fanservice and check off that box for the marketing department
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Reading up in the comics storyline to current, there are some interesting things that they could bring in. I know they're not going to be as faithful to the comics from here, but there are some things that I expect to see them pull in
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Jonny 290 posted:Reading up in the comics storyline to current, there are some interesting things that they could bring in. I know they're not going to be as faithful to the comics from here, but there are some things that I expect to see them pull in Can you spoiler a best of from the comics?
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:Can you spoiler a best of from the comics? Hahaha oh my god I just saw your avatar, whoever did that is a hero.
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I'm still playing catchup after getting home from work, but I don't get all the complaints about 'too much gore' in the 20s pages. Did they forget about Noah entirely? I mean, he's fairly forgettable in general, but his death wasn't. It was the most absurd (Well, not how he died-- how he died was legit character development for other characters, sucks for him though!) over the top gore they've possibly had here. Even the prosthetic they showed in Talking Dead afterward was cringey to look at, and not "lol cringe" kind of way, just genuinely gross and unpleasant. And it was awesome. But over the top and out of no where. I don't remember these "TORTURE PORN" complaints when it was dragged out with him smearing his blood across plexi-glass and the screaming. The only complaints I really remember, and I'm not even sure if some of them complaints, they were almost memelike "LULZ" was everyone going "BETH DIED FOR NOTHING  " during and after it.If you stayed for that scene but suddenly think its gone too far, you aren't complaining about the gore at this point, you're complaining about who it happened to. And if it affected you, good, it was supposed to. Other deaths were supposed to as well; they just failed.
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Johnny Truant posted:Except everywhere I've looked everyone is complaining specifically about the gore, so... not really? They better not watch Ash vs Evil Dead then. My problem with this episode, and in general where the series is going is that it is now hewing closer to Kirkman's original. Kirkman writes some truly, amazingly one dimensional villains who simply rely on sadism and shock value. I stopped reading the comic fairly early on - I just don't think he is a very good writer. When they made changes to the story, AMC generally speaking improved things. But more and more, they have been moving back towards what Kirkman wrote, and I regard that as a bad thing. Further, this is a story that needs a beginning, a middle, and an end. Kirkman is saying basically there is no end in sight. Dunno if that is hubris, not wanting to put the cash cow out of it's misery, or not understanding the Lost syndrome, a series that was flailing without direction through its third season because they didn't really understand if they were still in the beginning or the middle or even the end of the story until they signed a contract saying three more years and the story ends. Negan just seems to be a depiction of the Governor, just bigger and badder and frankly less compelling than what was made of that story by changing what Kirkman wrote. Kirkman had a lot more control over Fear the Walking Dead and I made it only a season and a few episodes through that. Not sure about all the whining about the characters, though. That's what I'm watching for - if I didn't care about them on some level, I'd erase them from the dvr, which is what I just did with Fear the Walking Dead. If you don't find them compelling in some fashion, why the hell are people watching? Negan? One dimensional sadist. Well, except for some level of Trump-like narcissism. Don't find him charismatic, just another bully without any social restraints. The only joy in him will be to see him broken and pissing his pants while he dies screaming in terror. And I suspect they are going to drag out that out for at least the whole season, if not more.
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I did not know that about ftwd. I stopped once the stupid teenager led obvious bad guys to their boat. Go ahead and spoiler this, tell me, do the annoying teenagers die?
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:I did not know that about ftwd. I stopped once the stupid teenager led obvious bad guys to their boat. One of them has a pretty funny heel turn and then he drives off into the sunset with his new Evil Friends. He more or less kills himself flipping his car on an empty road a couple hundred feet later. Lori would be proud.
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:One of them has a pretty funny heel turn and then he drives off into the sunset with his new Evil Friends. He more or less kills himself flipping his car on an empty road a couple hundred feet later. Lori would be proud. Fear The Walking Dead's characters make every single Walking Dead character look like a strategic genius. They all act like people written by people who have taken all the drugs. The series after the boat land literally goes completely insane and all of the characters from that point on act like villains and crazy people, seriously. The only way Fear could turn into a good series is if they embrace it and make it the story of a villain group. ED: Actually OK they act like psychotic villains from the first season on, but now they're insane as well in a literal sense. ED: OK I can sum up Fear's bullshit by just saying this: A bunch of characters think the zombies aren't dead and are like some Day of the Dead thing and we should co-exist with them.. and the show thinks that's like, groovy, man and seems to suggest these people are totally enlightened, not bum gently caress nuts Kataphract posted:They better not watch Ash vs Evil Dead then. Everyone else should totally watch it because holy poo poo that series is awesome. The first season had some slow parts but holy poo poo, Starz, the gore is amazing now. Anyone holding out on this that loved Army of Darkness or Evil Dead II needs to fix that poo poo asap. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Blazing Ownager posted:Everyone else should totally watch it because holy poo poo that series is awesome. The first season had some slow parts but holy poo poo, Starz, the gore is amazing now. Anyone holding out on this that loved Army of Darkness or Evil Dead II needs to fix that poo poo asap. Ash vs. Evil Dead is fantastic. The practical effects are amazing, and they don't weigh it down with filler -- every episode just builds momentum. It still manages to have some pretty unsettling moments, too. tetrapyloctomy fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I'd like to see them at least try to explain how Negan was able to build up his gang to begin with. If he treated people like this all the time, surely all of them must at least deep down want revenge on him for killing their family/friends. Was he nicer and reasonable early on? Like you can't become some feared dictator type if you're just some guy on your own with a bat going around telling people you own them, someone would just shoot him. Being the toughest in your little group, your group being tougher than the next little group you meet, etc. He's competent, his people are well fed, well equipped and safe. He provides order and structure. He's charismatic; imagine you're one of his guys during that little display, how would you feel? Entertained, powerful, those feelings are addictive. And he's actually merciful really, guys kill like 20 of his tribe and he only wants to kill one in response? You think Rick and crew would be that restrained? The Negan we've seen so far is Negan on parade, what he's doing is as much security theatre for his supporters as anything else. Show Negan is already pretty different to comic Negan though, I'm interested to see the inner workings of his organisation for sure.
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:Can you spoiler a best of from the comics? COMIC SPOILERS, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED A group called the Whisperers shows up. they walk among the dead for concealment, wearing skin suits and whispering to each other. very animalistic pack mentality, leader is literally named Alpha Negan eventually busts out of Alexandria County (oh yeah Rick spares and imprisons Negan btw) and teams up with the Whisperers, for varying Negan-esque values of 'teams-up' Eugene does indeed get ahold of a CB/ham radio and finds somebody on the other end. Ohio iirc
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Blazing Ownager posted:Fear The Walking Dead's characters make every single Walking Dead character look like a strategic genius. They all act like people written by people who have taken all the drugs. Chris's new friends mocking Travis for suggesting they cook some eggs instead of immediately killing and eating every chicken at once is pretty high up there in my "how did these idiots ever survive a single day?" list.
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Vitamin P posted:Being the toughest in your little group, your group being tougher than the next little group you meet, etc. He's competent, his people are well fed, well equipped and safe. He provides order and structure. He's charismatic; imagine you're one of his guys during that little display, how would you feel? Entertained, powerful, those feelings are addictive. And he's actually merciful really, guys kill like 20 of his tribe and he only wants to kill one in response? You think Rick and crew would be that restrained? The Saviors body count and group size are, for whatever reason, a huge sticking point for me in how I'm able to buy into the believability of Negan's actions. There were actually more like 50 on-screen deaths, and there are still even more implied off-screen. That Negan doesn't seem to treat Rick's group any differently than any other group he's conquering means a) they regularly see this kind of resistance, in which case their numbers have to be utterly staggering, easily many times the total number of people we've seen in the show or b) we're just seeing comic book supervillain hubris. At the end of the day, that's my problem with the current story line. JDM does a great job of acting, but the character himself is silly. He's charismatic enough to somehow dazzle everyone into ignoring wanton sadism; maybe we're supposed to buy that everyone goes completely evil in the apocalypse, but I can't get behind it. I can't remember if it was Kirkman or Gimple who said that we would be rooting for Negan if we had followed him from the beginning, but I don't think that's true for many of the show's fans. Maybe the comic book is written differently, but Rick and his group clearly struggle with the awful things they do in a way that Negan doesn't. The horrific violence isn't even just used to terrify groups into submission; they're keeping photos of mutilated corpses as souvenirs. As someone looking for more than the comic book or a zombie soap opera, the series really is just running out of gas. If my girlfriend weren't a gigantic fan, I wouldn't be watching anymore. That Negan even makes a ridiculous comic book escape from a prison that no sane person would ever put him in just speaks to how much the series leans on tropes to give it any substance whatsoever.
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Jonny 290 posted:COMIC SPOILERS, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED Hahaha, oh wow. And I thought the comics were actually on the up and up with the Whisperers. Time to look up stupid poo poo about this comic during my downtime at work, this sounds hilarious.
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Violence isn't binary. It's like the temperature- there are degrees. There's a point where you're comfortable, there's a point where you're a little sweaty but willing to tough it out, and there's a point where you just say "gently caress it, this is a sauna, I'm going in another room." And it's not just how much of it there is; it's how and how long you're exposed to it. Brushing your hand against a hot furnace for a second is one thing. Having your face held against it for a full minute is another. There's having violence, and then there's reveling in it, dwelling on it, and rubbing the audience's face in it. If people are feeling a little burned, I don't see how you can blame them. Given the other poo poo this show has pulled, I don't see how anyone still trusts the snickering jackasses with their hands on the thermostat. And you can't act like people aren't supposed to be affected by images on tv just because they aren't real. The ability of unreal things to affect us is literally the entire foundation of art and storytelling.
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Hobo Clown posted:Steven Yeun in the make-up chair His right eye has the distant look of a man about to be on an unemployment line. I'm shaking.
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Hobo Clown posted:Steven Yeun in the make-up chair HEEEEEEEYYYYYYYY YOOOOOOUUUUUU GUUYYYYYYYSSSSSSSS
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No wonder the dumpster protected him, Sloth love junk
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Hobo Clown posted:Steven Yeun in the make-up chair drat, that has to be one of the coolest jobs to go do everyday. Dr. Tim Whatley posted:His right eye has the distant look of a man about to be on an unemployment line. I'm shaking. I know you're joking but something tells me he won't be there for long at all.
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Spergatory posted:Violence isn't binary. It's like the temperature- there are degrees. There's a point where you're comfortable, there's a point where you're a little sweaty but willing to tough it out, and there's a point where you just say "gently caress it, this is a sauna, I'm going in another room." And it's not just how much of it there is; it's how and how long you're exposed to it. Brushing your hand against a hot furnace for a second is one thing. Having your face held against it for a full minute is another. There's having violence, and then there's reveling in it, dwelling on it, and rubbing the audience's face in it. If people are feeling a little burned, I don't see how you can blame them. Given the other poo poo this show has pulled, I don't see how anyone still trusts the snickering jackasses with their hands on the thermostat. The part for me that was a bit across the line was after Glen got killed, there was clearly part of his scalp/head flopping around on the end of the bat. Remember when this was a show about zombies?
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Boner Zone posted:why didn't people like this episode? Bet it was the gore huh? Yall know yall are watching a gory zombie show right? heh heh No, Zombie Nation is a zombie show. This is simply the same recycled steaming pile with zombies as extras every once in a while when even the recycled super-villain stuff gets stale(r).
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