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I live in Japan, speak Japanese and wish I'd learned French.
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I speak English and French natively, and Spanish with a decent degree of fluency. I've learned Latin, Ancient Greek and German in university and college. I've taken classes on Sanskrit, Proto-Indo-European and comparative romance linguistics. When I say "gently caress Chinese for being purposely obtuse and hard to learn", I say so because I am comparing it to literal dead languages that are easier to learn than a living, breathing clusterfuck spoken by 1.6 billion people. Am I a racist?
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Oct 26, 2016 13:28
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Ceciltron posted:I speak English and French natively, and Spanish with a decent degree of fluency. I've learned Latin, Ancient Greek and German in university and college. I've taken classes on Sanskrit, Proto-Indo-European and comparative romance linguistics. When I say "gently caress Chinese for being purposely obtuse and hard to learn", I say so because I am comparing it to literal dead languages that are easier to learn than a living, breathing clusterfuck spoken by 1.6 billion people. Probably. I'm not great at it or anything but I've never gotten what the big deal was.
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Oct 26, 2016 13:45
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His Divine Shadow posted:Can anyone try and offer a serious answer to this ludicrous question (why the hell are they like this?) aside from heavy metal poisoning? Subconsciously they believe that nobody who is not Han Chinese can learn Mandarin, so they behave like that is true, despite being show the opposite a few moments later. In their heads they just assume she only knows those exact 147 words that got her through that 58 second conversation, and knows absolutely no more Mandarin than that. (Example).
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Oct 26, 2016 14:00
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Blistex posted:Subconsciously they believe that nobody who is not Han Chinese can learn Mandarin, so they behave like that is true, despite being show the opposite a few moments later. In their heads they just assume she only knows those exact 147 words that got her through that 58 second conversation, and knows absolutely no more Mandarin than that. (Example). Since that's how they learn English that makes sense though.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:02
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https://thenanfang.com/expired-food-taken-garbage-dump-resold-wuhan-residents/ The breadbasket of the east Relin fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Oct 26, 2016 14:11
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mikerock posted:Didn't the only fluent non-chinese mandarin speaker in the thread say don't learn mandarin no matter what because no native chinese mandarin speaker will believe you can speak it due to an intense ingrained racial bias against foreigners being able to do anything chinese? Take a poo poo on the sidewalk to prove yourself worthy.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:46
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His Divine Shadow posted:Can anyone try and offer a serious answer to this ludicrous question (why the hell are they like this?) aside from heavy metal poisoning? A fair number of people in Asia believe languages are race-linked and it is literally impossible for anyone not of their race to learn them.
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Oct 26, 2016 14:46
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Fojar38 posted:by 2050 china will have a GDP thrice the size of the US and EU combined; mandarin will be the new global lingua franca and all culture, science, and diplomacy will be conducted in it; by learning it now, I'll be way ahead of the curve! This only replace China with Russia
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Oct 26, 2016 14:56
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serious norman posted:This only replace China with Russia Does anyone think this, since the space race?
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Oct 26, 2016 15:10
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serious norman posted:This only replace China with Russia
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Oct 26, 2016 15:10
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I have the opposite problem, my Chinese is terrible yet everyone seems to believe I'm fluent so will spit out a novel at me at 5000 words per minute whilst I just nod and look confused. Even people who know me and can speak English will generally only speak to me in Chinese.
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Oct 26, 2016 15:18
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Jimmy Little Balls posted:I have the opposite problem, my Chinese is terrible yet everyone seems to believe I'm fluent so will spit out a novel at me at 5000 words per minute whilst I just nod and look confused. Even people who know me and can speak English will generally only speak to me in Chinese. Are you ethnically East Asian? That could account for it.
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Oct 26, 2016 15:23
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Yeah it's nice that in Sichuan people will speak to you in Chinese without being weird about it like in Korea, and are mostly very tolerant of your lovely Chinese back to them. Difficult when they greatly overestimate my Chinese abilities but I'll take that over the blank stare and refusal to engage that was so common in Korea. My favorite restaurant has kittens again and you can ask the very nice man who runs the place about the kittens when paying, and he will reach under the counter and deposit a kitten in your hands for petting while change is made. It is the best.
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Oct 26, 2016 15:30
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah it's nice that in Sichuan people will speak to you in Chinese without being weird about it like in Korea, and are mostly very tolerant of your lovely Chinese back to them. Difficult when they greatly overestimate my Chinese abilities but I'll take that over the blank stare and refusal to engage that was so common in Korea. Don't play with your food.
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Oct 26, 2016 15:49
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Ceciltron posted:I speak English and French natively, and Spanish with a decent degree of fluency. I've learned Latin, Ancient Greek and German in university and college. I've taken classes on Sanskrit, Proto-Indo-European and comparative romance linguistics. When I say "gently caress Chinese for being purposely obtuse and hard to learn", I say so because I am comparing it to literal dead languages that are easier to learn than a living, breathing clusterfuck spoken by 1.6 billion people. Still worse than German? Danke. And yes.
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Oct 26, 2016 16:13
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JaucheCharly posted:Still worse than German? Danke. To a certain extent Chinese writing actually is intentionally obtuse and hard to learn. That's why they invented simplified Chinese.
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Oct 26, 2016 16:27
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E_P posted:I still dont understand why people think you will be drowning in pussy if you move to Asia. My experience from seeing people come and go in Korea is if you weren't getting any in your home country you sure as poo poo weren't gonna get laid here. That would be because of all the GIs in Korea that act like the ugly American. They've given us a bad reputation. During my tour there, I got the best treatment when I went far away from where most soldiers go (Itaewon, TDC). I had no problems getting laid, had a girlfriend for a few months until I PCS'd. Honestly, I enjoyed Korea--best year of my career.
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Oct 26, 2016 16:36
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Falun Bong Refugee posted:To a certain extent Chinese writing actually is intentionally obtuse and hard to learn. That's why they invented simplified Chinese. Nah traditional is where it's at.
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Oct 26, 2016 17:21
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Atlas Hugged posted:Nah traditional is where it's at. It's easier to type using bopomofo at least.
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Oct 26, 2016 17:22
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hahaha imagine if this was a guy complaining about ugly bitches getting dates while he's not getting any
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Oct 26, 2016 17:28
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The problem is still that the writing system was by design made to be inaccessible to as much of the population as possible. It reminds me of the way scribes in the ancient near east guarded their writing systems with great jealousy until alphabets/syllabaries became more common. Except the Chinese writing system, even as simplified, has no logical construction. There's no seeming relation between anything, and you can't predict what a thing is based on what other things are!
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Oct 26, 2016 17:30
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Ceciltron posted:The problem is still that the writing system was by design made to be inaccessible to as much of the population as possible. It reminds me of the way scribes in the ancient near east guarded their writing systems with great jealousy until alphabets/syllabaries became more common. 一二三 
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Oct 26, 2016 17:37
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Sapper posted:That would be because of all the GIs in Korea that act like the ugly American. They've given us a bad reputation. During my tour there, I got the best treatment when I went far away from where most soldiers go (Itaewon, TDC). I had no problems getting laid, had a girlfriend for a few months until I PCS'd. Honestly, I enjoyed Korea--best year of my career. Getting off the beaten path is a pro tip for getting decent treatment in Korea. Then again it can also blow up in your face. My wife and I (then girlfriend) decided to go to the end of the line, as far north as you can go by subway, and then took a 30 minute cab ride to a spa with hot springs and a hotel nearby. We arrived at night (after work) and intended to stay in the hotel over night then go to the spa in the morning and make a day out of it. When I went into the hotel the guy behind the desk told me that they were full, despite the "vacancy tags" still being on 3/4 of the room markers. I tried to explain that I was not a GI, that I had no intention of trashing the room, and that I wanted to go to the spa the next day. The guy refused, and after a few minutes of pleading with him the cabbie came in and tried to argue with him on our behalf. The manager didn't budge and on the ride back the cabbie explained that the guy didn't believe that I was not a US soldier, despite me having non-regulation hair, and said that I would make trouble with all of my friends (despite there being no other western guys with me). The GI bias runs pretty deep in Korea, but then again I've seen cases where they do act just as bad as their reputation would lead you to believe (which is not half as bad/unruly/destructive as the average group of Korean salarymen on a bender). On the other hand I've been mistaken for a GI on a few occasions and gotten royal treatment from old guys who used to be in joint ROK/US units and would tell me stories of the cool stuff they used to do, and the friend they made.
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Oct 26, 2016 17:38
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cnut posted:一二三 Woah, checkmated.
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Ceciltron posted:The problem is still that the writing system was by design made to be inaccessible to as much of the population as possible. It reminds me of the way scribes in the ancient near east guarded their writing systems with great jealousy until alphabets/syllabaries became more common. tho lol at the idea that the Quebecois speak native french
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Oct 26, 2016 17:40
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 this stupid show ran at the height of "CHINA IS THE NEXT SUPER POWER" craze in 2008. i dont think any children learned any mandarin.
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Oct 26, 2016 17:43
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Deceitful Penguin posted:tho lol at the idea that the Quebecois speak native french A friend of mine went to paris with his quebecois wife. Said wife tried to speak quebec french with the locals who without fail responded in english.
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Oct 26, 2016 17:46
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/\ Please tell me she got really butthurt that her "pure French" (what every French teacher told us in school) was not recognized as being intelligible. Darkman Fanpage posted:
To be honest, Dora the Explorer (which this copied) never taught anyone to speak Spanish. Hard to do when they cover one new word/phrase an episode then you never hear it again.
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Oct 26, 2016 17:47
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http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/1025/c90000-9132459.htmlquote:Several officials in Xi’an, Shaanxi province have been arrested for falsifying air pollution statistics, as the deteriorating air quality might have jeopardized their careers, local media reported on Oct. 25. Who loses face here?
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Oct 26, 2016 18:05
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Sapper posted:That would be because of all the GIs in Korea that act like the ugly American. They've given us a bad reputation. During my tour there, I got the best treatment when I went far away from where most soldiers go (Itaewon, TDC). I had no problems getting laid, had a girlfriend for a few months until I PCS'd. Honestly, I enjoyed Korea--best year of my career.
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Oct 26, 2016 18:08
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I took german over mandarin in highschool  but the reality is for most Americans they should absolutely never sit down and try to learn chinese, and they SHOULD learn spanish. A huge chunk of our population is esol at best and there are situations in Texas for example where you can be seriously hindered by not understanding spanish.
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Oct 26, 2016 18:24
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there's nothing wrong with learning mandarin regardless of whether or not china's going to be the next superpower
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Oct 26, 2016 18:30
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Darkman Fanpage posted:
Please tell me that the entire premise of the show was based on trying to eat the rhinoceros and tiger for their boner powers.
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Oct 26, 2016 18:31
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E_P posted:Were you getting laid before you came to Korea though? I am more getting at the assumption that some 120lb mouth breather with a black tshirt that says No I Wont Fix Your Computer lands in Incheon and is all of a sudden besieged by pussy that FBR and THE PWNER are espousing. Yeah. Matter of fact, on the day I flew out, I got done screwing my fiance* and raced from her place back to my parents' place so they could give me a ride to the airport. *who had the decency to wait until my plane got wheels up before racing out, herself, to screw another guy, as I found out a few months later courtesy of her little sister. Thank god--that turned my last 9 months into one continuous party, then I got back to the States and met a much hotter, smarter, and wealthier girl, who has been my wife for the past 14 years. Meanwhile, my ex-fiance got fat, divorced twice, and is still desperately trying to be an actress/model despite the fact that she's devolved into looking like your average PA trailer trash (she'd been a Ms. Teen USA runner-up, and she's become the female equivalent of the balding, fat loser who still wears his varsity quarterback jacket.)
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Oct 26, 2016 18:36
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Blistex posted:/\ Please tell me she got really butthurt that her "pure French" (what every French teacher told us in school) was not recognized as being intelligible. She got mad as only a french woman can  .
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Oct 26, 2016 18:48
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Blistex posted:The GI bias runs pretty deep in Korea, but then again I've seen cases where they do act just as bad as their reputation would lead you to believe (which is not half as bad/unruly/destructive as the average group of Korean salarymen on a bender). On the other hand I've been mistaken for a GI on a few occasions and gotten royal treatment from old guys who used to be in joint ROK/US units and would tell me stories of the cool stuff they used to do, and the friend they made. isn't the crime rate among GIs and foreigners in general in all these countries something stupid like just 5% of the local rate? I remember that coming up for Okinawa at least and I expect it's similar elsewhere. I don't think there's any great mystery to it though, foreigners cause outrage in any society, just look at Europe these past couple of years for an obvious example. In a homogeneous society that's amplified. The same goes for them not comprehending you speaking their language, in my experience you can go to rural England and get the same dumb looks for looking like a foreigner that I got for not being Korean. Haier posted:Hong Kong on duct tape. HONG KONG STICK TO CHINA FOREVER! this actually owns
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Oct 26, 2016 18:49
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I can't tell if this article is for-real or someone mixing up Game of Thrones episodes while writing think pieces:quote:In many cases, bridesmaids are unwillingly involved in sexual stunts designed for the newlyweds. In extreme cases, some are stripped of their clothes and molested, or even attacked. It does mention the concept of "Face" though, so I guess legitimate?
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Oct 26, 2016 19:29
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Blistex posted:/\ Please tell me she got really butthurt that her "pure French" (what every French teacher told us in school) was not recognized as being intelligible. I'll have you know that all Canadi(a/e)ns are completely bilingual by the time they leave high school in both French and English. Salad Bowl, not a melting pot E_P posted:Were you getting laid before you came to Korea though? I am more getting at the assumption that some 120lb mouth breather with a black tshirt that says No I Wont Fix Your Computer lands in Incheon and is all of a sudden besieged by pussy that FBR and THE PWNER are espousing.
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Blistex posted:GI bias stories One of my first enlightening experiences on my first visit to Korea was getting pulled out of line by the muscular Korean bouncers at every bar/club in Itaewon (Who all turned out to be Korean Americans from the same part of North Jersey as me, lol), being patted down for weapons and thinking "Oh, so this is what it's like to be black!"
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