a victory for liberty over tyranny

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Mors Rattus: Oct 25, 2007; FATAL & Friends
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TotalLossBrain posted:

Not unexpected:

https://twitter.com/conradjwilson/status/791289806424727552

I am however surprised that Shawna Cox doesn't have some insane thing to file already.

It takes her a while to write that many words, I think.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 17:09

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# ? May 12, 2024 08:18

Chef Boyardeez Nuts: Sep 9, 2011; The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.

Please do something about this juror I passed for cause.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 18:29

TotalLossBrain: Oct 20, 2010; Hier graben!

Looks like they will be replacing that juror with an alternate.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 18:35

Kazak_Hstan: Apr 28, 2014; Grimey Drawer

Welp, looks like we can bump the verdict out a day or two at minimum.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 18:56

TotalLossBrain: Oct 20, 2010; Hier graben!

https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/791343915362160640

# ? Oct 26, 2016 19:22

Teddybear: May 16, 2009; Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!

https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/791346061189128192

Here we go again~~~

# ? Oct 26, 2016 19:29

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

It's the right choice. It completely stifles the chance of appeal on this point. It's frustrating for the jurors and all, but it's for the best.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 19:34

Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

If anything they'll probably have some anger at the defense now.

Declare a mistrial! The jurors are biased against us for jerking them around!

# ? Oct 26, 2016 19:38

TotalLossBrain: Oct 20, 2010; Hier graben!

Judge Brown is tired of this poo poo clogging up her court room, demands jury work OT.

https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/791346623360045056

# ? Oct 26, 2016 19:39

Kazak_Hstan: Apr 28, 2014; Grimey Drawer

So if you get jury duty and one of the other jurors annoys you, just send a handwritten note to the judge accusing them of bias. The judge can't ignore the accusation, and can't ask questions to figure out if you're full of poo poo.

This was an overly defensive move on her part. The decision whether to disqualify a juror is left to the discretion of the trial court and reviewed on a very deferential standard. She was not convinced based on her interview with the juror that he was biased. She leaned on the prosecution to stipulate. That is not really "good cause." It would be one thing if the juror had lied or hid his past. He did not. Defense counsel knew he worked for BLM and failed to get rid of him. You're not entitled to a jury with zero members who have any biases of any kind, you're entitled to a jury that can act impartially in spite of any biases. It's not even clear the guy said anything wrong. Acknowledging the existence of a bias and working past it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I can understand where she is coming from - every possible avenue of appeal will be pursued as more or less a recreational endeavor. So maybe this was ultimately the correct path. But it is frustrating.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 19:46

Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

Knowing how SovCits work, why did the prosecution let this guy on the jury?

# ? Oct 26, 2016 19:50

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Casimir Radon posted:

Knowing how SovCits work, why did the prosecution let this guy on the jury?

No one has real access to the mind of a sovcit.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 20:02

Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

Discendo Vox posted:

No one has real access to the mind of a sovcit.

This is a clear instance of something they would probably throw a fit over at an inopportune time.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 20:09

Mirthless: Mar 27, 2011; by the sex ghost

Mr. Nice! posted:

It's the right choice. It completely stifles the chance of appeal on this point. It's frustrating for the jurors and all, but it's for the best.

my concern is the sovcit on the jury is going to be emboldened by getting juror 11 punished for not being a True Patriot and continue to derail since it's clear he's been successful.

Mirthless has issued a correction as of 20:13 on Oct 26, 2016

# ? Oct 26, 2016 20:10

Bobulus: Jan 28, 2007

Mirthless posted:

my concern is the sovcit on the jury is going to be emboldened by getting juror 11 punished for not being a True Patriot and continue to derail since it's clear he's been successful.

If there's a SovCit on the jury, that is. Sure, another juror reported juror 11, but that could just as easily be someone feeling they're doing their duty, not necessarily a SovCit.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 20:25

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Kazak_Hstan posted:

So if you get jury duty and one of the other jurors annoys you, just send a handwritten note to the judge accusing them of bias. The judge can't ignore the accusation, and can't ask questions to figure out if you're full of poo poo.

This was an overly defensive move on her part. The decision whether to disqualify a juror is left to the discretion of the trial court and reviewed on a very deferential standard. She was not convinced based on her interview with the juror that he was biased. She leaned on the prosecution to stipulate. That is not really "good cause." It would be one thing if the juror had lied or hid his past. He did not. Defense counsel knew he worked for BLM and failed to get rid of him. You're not entitled to a jury with zero members who have any biases of any kind, you're entitled to a jury that can act impartially in spite of any biases. It's not even clear the guy said anything wrong. Acknowledging the existence of a bias and working past it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I can understand where she is coming from - every possible avenue of appeal will be pursued as more or less a recreational endeavor. So maybe this was ultimately the correct path. But it is frustrating.

Unless we know the exact questions asked in voire dire or in chambers it is hard to know.
If he said he'd be unbiased in voire dire (which I assume he did or he'd have been cause kicked) and actually said exactly what the other jurors said he did, it would be hard to kick him.

Given that there are 1-2 competent attorneys in the room, I have to imagine he got voired on bias based on his employment anday not have been fully truthful. Jurors lie their balls off by omission in voire dire all the time and it often isn't even intentional.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 20:25

Chef Boyardeez Nuts: Sep 9, 2011; The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.

The longest I ever had to wait for a verdict was 6 hours and I was absolutely useless during it. How do you stay plinking away at other files right now?

# ? Oct 26, 2016 20:40

Kazak_Hstan: Apr 28, 2014; Grimey Drawer

I'm reading a fair bit into the sense of the courtroom from last night, at least as reported on twitter. It seemed like she was leaning against dismissing him after talking to him, and then decided she just wanted to get rid of the issue after getting Mumford's motion.

It is ultimately probably a minor issue. I'm just irritated there always has to be some extra tedious bullshit everyone has to tip toe around with these people.

# ? Oct 26, 2016 20:44

nm: Jan 28, 2008; "I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

^^^^^^
Quite frankly, if that note came out of any jury room, the judge would lean toward kicking unless some strong facts were given against it.
This isn't a special treatment thing, it would have in some random DUI if someone randomly told the jury "hey guys I'm biased against drunks."

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

The longest I ever had to wait for a verdict was 6 hours and I was absolutely useless during it. How do you stay plinking away at other files right now?

Shitposting on SA is what I did.
My office was always in or next door to the courthouse, so it is a great time to do mindless motion catchup.
One time I had 3 back to back trials, so I litterally walked down the hallway to the next courtroom and started voire dire.

nm has issued a correction as of 20:47 on Oct 26, 2016

# ? Oct 26, 2016 20:45

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Kazak_Hstan posted:

So if you get jury duty and one of the other jurors annoys you, just send a handwritten note to the judge accusing them of bias. The judge can't ignore the accusation, and can't ask questions to figure out if you're full of poo poo.

This was an overly defensive move on her part. The decision whether to disqualify a juror is left to the discretion of the trial court and reviewed on a very deferential standard. She was not convinced based on her interview with the juror that he was biased. She leaned on the prosecution to stipulate. That is not really "good cause." It would be one thing if the juror had lied or hid his past. He did not. Defense counsel knew he worked for BLM and failed to get rid of him. You're not entitled to a jury with zero members who have any biases of any kind, you're entitled to a jury that can act impartially in spite of any biases. It's not even clear the guy said anything wrong. Acknowledging the existence of a bias and working past it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I can understand where she is coming from - every possible avenue of appeal will be pursued as more or less a recreational endeavor. So maybe this was ultimately the correct path. But it is frustrating.

It has to be even worse for her: as any kind of actual professional, having listen to these idiots try their magic spells out for months has to be a soul-breaking experience.

# ? Oct 27, 2016 00:00

stuffed crust punk: Oct 8, 2004; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

I lost track of this pack of clowns a while back. It looks like someone's trial is wrapping up? Multiple people? Whose rear end is grass? Will anyone be rightfully executed for treason?

# ? Oct 27, 2016 00:43

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Can't arzy over the election since Clinton's going to probably win by 5+ points, time to arzy over yall qaeda members being found not guilty by reason of American Stupidity.

# ? Oct 27, 2016 01:01

Volcott: Mar 30, 2010; People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.

I was the Red Forman for a civil thing. I suggested we work through lunch on the assumption we'd have a number by the end of the day. It took about an hour. We were just giving them a number for damages since one of the parties admitted they hosed up.

# ? Oct 27, 2016 02:42

Kazak_Hstan: Apr 28, 2014; Grimey Drawer

Evil Fluffy posted:

Can't arzy over the election since Clinton's going to probably win by 5+ points, time to arzy over yall qaeda members being found not guilty by reason of American Stupidity.

# ? Oct 27, 2016 04:32

Lutha Mahtin: Oct 10, 2010; Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

Regular Nintendo posted:

I lost track of this pack of clowns a while back. It looks like someone's trial is wrapping up? Multiple people? Whose rear end is grass? Will anyone be rightfully executed for treason?

the big trial with all the malheur defendants has gone to the jury. the jury sent some notes to the judge asking her questions, so we're all theorycrafting what's going on in the jury deliberations

# ? Oct 27, 2016 05:46

Tayter Swift: Nov 18, 2002; Pillbug

To summarize, a jury is judging those Bundy hicks.

# ? Oct 27, 2016 06:34

FilthyImp: Sep 30, 2002; Anime Deviant

A jury is judging the Y'all Quaeda family and trying to see if they can give Kylo Meth the psychiatric help he needs by divorcing him from the fate of the Teahaddists.

Juror 4 is rumored to be Ammonsexual since they raised a question about another Juror's previous employment at the BLM and placed that Juror's bias into the spotlight. The defendant's probably felt they had their smoking gun fringed flag overturned by gross misconduct appeal moment thanks to it.

Judge is sick of this poo poo so they've brought in an ~~U. N. Agenda Bilderberg/Soros funded plant~~ alternate juror to sort out the mess. They've also been ordered to work OT on getting this out so the dumb fucks can't deliver any more waste of time :airquote:

official documentation :airquote:

asking the judge to step down because she's secretly biased against patriots and also violated the hand-written 50 page Article of Aggrieved Discourse stating that :/Person:\ of the CLAN \;Family;/, sound of body and spirit heretoforewith mentioned IN THE ::FLESH:: and +BLOOD-.... :agesilaus:

Everyone is :bang:

because the length of time means that ~~the jury has received the Shofar-coded communique to engage in Jury Nullification and deliver weapons to the Malheuroes so they can deal sweet Finicum-style justice to the court of disorder~~ the jury is likely considering and discussing every charge brought against the Teahaddists so that there's no doubt they're proper turbofucked.

# ? Oct 27, 2016 08:11