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So how long until these dip shits are back at the bird sanctuary declaring that the verdict means it's theirs now?
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lol this guy is gonna make so much money off sovcits
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Isn't there a term for where: The more you want an event to happen, the more likely anything BUT that will event will occur? I think that is the moral of the story here. Believe nothing will go right forever.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:This is not necessarily over. Remember this was a conspiracy charge. It was a conspiracy charge because it was proprietary jurisdiction, meaning federal charges requiring special maritime or territorial jurisdiction were not available (the basic substantive criminal statutes), same with the Assimilative Crime Act. The full weight of Oregon criminal statutes can still be applied here. That is not a double jeopardy issue. That is, if the state of Oregon wants to deal with this. Because what an Oregon DA wants to do is risk losing to a bunch of sovcits.
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Remember when everyone was talking about how competently the Feds handled this, but not giving them their martyrdom, and picking them up after the furor died down so to not make a scene? lol
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Kazak_Hstan posted:This is not necessarily over. Remember this was a conspiracy charge. It was a conspiracy charge because it was proprietary jurisdiction, meaning federal charges requiring special maritime or territorial jurisdiction were not available (the basic substantive criminal statutes), same with the Assimilative Crime Act. The full weight of Oregon criminal statutes can still be applied here. That is not a double jeopardy issue. That is, if the state of Oregon wants to deal with this. I would be loving shocked if Oregon didn't go to bat for the government in this instance.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:33
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Do they explain why they aren't guilty despite all the evidence literally showing them there with guns and threatening people?
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Burt Sexual posted:Look forward to the sov cit celebration live stream. Please post. https://www.periscope.tv/w/auEzCDEyODk5OTZ8MU1ueG5YempOUWRHT0WVC8jCrd41-7yURnynqMqcHl9ZCUlN7lt9L9CKRc2-
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Has someone posted this to the PYF Schadenfreude thread yet? Because it needs to be there.
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drilldo squirt posted:Do they explain why they aren't guilty despite all the evidence literally showing them there with guns and threatening people? No, and a jury never has to.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:34
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Thia verdict is admissible in the NV case, right?
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nm posted:Because what an Oregon DA wants to do is risk losing to a bunch of sovcits. This is not a decision the harney county attorney will be making. Gov. Brown was gung ho to see action taken on this.
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ponzicar posted:Does this mean that the juror that got expelled was the one guy refusing to vote not guilty? yeah it sounds like it. It sounds like he had a wall of gormless faces all saying where's the csi dna testing and where's the surprise witness. I seen a lotta tv this trial didn't look real to me. and he said yeah but they're guilty I mean maybe I'm biased because I used to work there but come on this is a slam dunk case and they got the judge to remove him so they could all go home and watch gibbs yell at the terrorist some more. I mean what the gently caress even happened here. What the gently caress. This loving country. OJ was just one murderer let loose. Who cares. This is the mistrial of the century. gently caress me.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:35
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C-SPAM: Refuge Occupiers go free in a display of justice more broken than Bundy's face
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If you can arrange it so I can take on every Malheur defendant and juror in the octagon at once, I will do it Because they're right: Our legal system is broken and we need to use force to make the world better
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Geostomp posted:I want each of those jurors to personally watch what their idiocy has allowed. Spoiler alert: they're gonna love it
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Oct 28, 2016 00:36
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brugroffil posted:No, and a jury never has to. True, but if this was a bunch of sovcit sympathizers nullifying, you know they won't be able to resist shouting that they did so to the heavens sooner or later.
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brugroffil posted:No, and a jury never has to. I would like to know who the prosecutor was that chose these people and how fired he is.
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brugroffil posted:No, and a jury never has to. There is most likely a good reason for this. What is it?
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Maybe they should have been charged with more conventional things like Trespassing, Breaking and Entering, or Vandalism? People can more easily relate to things like that than "conspiracy to impede". There was video of those guys in a place they weren't supposed to be doing things they weren't supposed to do, but apparently the jury didn't think that was proof of a conspiracy. And they can only convict on the charges that were brought.
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Geostomp posted:This is the absolute worst possible outcome. Now the wingnuts around the country have seen that they can do whatever they want and face no consequences if white enough. With Trump riling them up more and more, we will see much more terrorism this November. We know that jurors will gladly let them all walk even with mountains of evidence because they can't being themselves to make white right wingers face any kind of responsibility. piles and piles of bodies the first time around would have had way less fallout than this will, lol erso ergo procter procter, therefore I'm free to go because I'm not a boat toot toot gently caress america. conservatives always get off.
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i've never been more jaded and disillusioned with my country in my life i give up
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the next standoff is gonna happen, and this time the Feds are just gonna shoot them
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Oct 28, 2016 00:36
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I actually respect this. (Though he isn't because he had the hung charge). The idea that the state gets to take you back to jail and "process you out" for hours after an NG is loving bullshit and absolutely something someone should fight. I've see people held for 3 years on bullshit murder cases not get to hug their familes after aquittal and have to spend another 8 hours in jail because of paperwork. If he's not guilty, let him walk the gently caress out of the the courtroom This is a weird case to do it on though because he had a hung charge and is facing charges on the NV case.
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Zamujasa posted:C-SPAM: Refuge Occupiers go free in a display of justice more broken than Bundy's face 
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I just got the NYT alert saying they were all acquitted that has to be for some minor charge or poo poo right, did they actually just get away with an armed insurrection and were found not guilty, did that actually just happen?
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Whats the end game here? To encourage more Ruby RIdges and Wacos?
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What charges does the state really have? Burglary on a felony malicious injury to property theory? Misdemeanor trespassing?
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that's really dumb. Can the govt still try them for all the things they decided to not charge them with?
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Facebook Aunt posted:Maybe they should have been charged with more conventional things like Trespassing, Breaking and Entering, or Vandalism? People can more easily relate to things like that than "conspiracy to impede". Those are state charges in this situation due to the jurisdictional setting. They were not available to federal prosecutors.
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VikingSkull posted:the next standoff is gonna happen, and this time the Feds are just gonna shoot them Hillary going to pilot the drone herself.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:38
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Was the dismissal of Juror 11 for bias based solely on the word of the other jurors? Did 11 people lie to get rid of the one who wasn't going along with the group?
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nm posted:I actually respect this. (Though he isn't because he had the hung charge). Yeah, no, they are still being held on the Nevada charges.
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Oct 28, 2016 00:38
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The FBI is playing the super-long con to give them even more rope to now hang themselves with.
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nm posted:BTW, I have 20bux saying juror 11 speaks within the month. If they actually came out and said it isn't that grounds for some kind of appeal on legal grounds?
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Oct 28, 2016 00:38
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hey guys seven progressives got together in a room and talked about smashing capitalism, time to pull out the riot gear and beat a couple of hippies to death oh 30 white dudes with assault rifles held federal agents at gunpoint for hours and then set up snipers and pointed rifles at the FBI? and then a year later they took over a federal wildlife refuge, did more than a million dollars of damage to it, and threatened and harassed multiple federal government employees? we'll let them play games until they get bored, hold them in a comfortable cell for six months and then find them not guilty of all charges.
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rabble rabble posted:I just got the NYT alert saying they were all acquitted https://twitter.com/ryanjhaas/status/791779824838639616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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this is fine because I'd really rather the bundy's occupy somewhere else, and the FBI seeing that they were found not guilty previously just loving mercs them instead this time
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WTF? How? I thought the acquittal announcement was a joke.
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so if I go to the post office, with a gun, and order everyone out, this is... legal?
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