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Telsa Cola posted:Ill ask again, why do juries not have to provide a basic critical reasoning of there judgments? Would it be to hard to figure out what is "good" enough? Probably, though I'd still bet money that the jury outright nullified in this case since the odds of "well there wasn't proof beyond reasonable doubt" as their argument is loving laughable. I'm still more on board with just using the 90s playbook of "militia issue? Kill every last one of them" since at this point I'm not going to be the least bit surprised if they all walk for the loving ranch standoff too. Ape Has Killed Ape posted:So they only hope we have right now is if the jurors are dumb enough to say anything even vaguely related to jury nullification to a camera? A juror could admit on camera that they lied their way on to the jury to ensure an acquittal and it's not going to matter beyond the feds going after the juror, maybe. This trial just makes one thing abundantly clear: A Winner is Jew posted:Unironically Janet Reno did nothing wrong.
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Geostomp posted:Let's see how they rationalize upholding that stance after the coming wave of militia terrorism when Trump falls without openly saying "white people can't be terrorists." It's Obama's/Hillary's fault.
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Please, please let him be trampled by his dad's feral cows.
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Evil Fluffy posted:A juror could admit on camera that they lied their way on to the jury to ensure an acquittal and it's not going to matter beyond the feds going after the juror, maybe. I know, I just want something out of this.
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Ape Has Killed Ape posted:So they only hope we have right now is if the jurors are dumb enough to say anything even vaguely related to jury nullification to a camera? fyi this literally wouldn't change anything even if they went on camera immediately after and said "yeah it was nullification, suck my rear end hippies"
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It's cool that white people are allowed to shoot minorities and threaten armed rebellion in the year of our lord twenty sixteen in America.
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Burt Sexual posted:So it was state charges? Why can't they move a fed charge anywhere? They were federal charges. It was in Portland because the federal district court in Oregon is in Portland. The jury was drawn from across Oregon because that's the applicable district. You cannot just move a federal criminal case to another federal district willy nilly, and especially not for the specific reason that it is more likely to result in a conviction. Though i seem to recall the court made a special point to draw the jury from more than just portland for this case in particular, because of course they did, because these are Rural Whites, so people better bend over backwards to accommodate them.
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rabble rabble posted:haha remember when that one guy died, bet he sure feels like an idiot I imagine the various lower-level militants who plead out and flipped on the Bundy's feel like right jackasses now. Presuming they're capable of self reflection, of course (spoiler: they're not).
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Evil Fluffy posted:A juror could admit on camera that they lied their way on to the jury to ensure an acquittal and it's not going to matter beyond the feds going after the juror, maybe. Follow up on this, the most famous case of this happening was one of the Gotti trials and the juror got hosed hard for pulling it.
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brilliant, find them not guilty of conspiracy so that they begin planning this dumb poo poo out in the open next time
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LGD posted:fyi this literally wouldn't change anything even if they went on camera immediately after and said "yeah it was nullification, suck my rear end hippies" We'd at least have something to point to.
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Al! posted:#podestaemails20 I can't believe it's been twenty years since the first Podesta email leaks.
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drilldo squirt posted:Black man selling loose cigs on a street corner gets murdered but white people with guns threatening to murder people get acquitted. To be fair, they did get one of them.
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IMO jury nullification is a force for good overall and a good check on bullshit laws Most of the time
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I always thought Oregonians were stupid. I always knew they think they are sticking it to the man just by living there. I really hate that state. I bet they wouldn't convict them based on it being a federal case full stop. Oregonians are really stupid and think they are pioneers making it on their own in the frontier even when they work at Wal-Mart. gently caress Oregon
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Dewgy posted:brilliant, find them not guilty of conspiracy so that they begin planning this dumb poo poo out in the open next time https://twitter.com/ryanjhaas/status/791790936976089093 https://twitter.com/karinapdx/status/791791213774934017 https://twitter.com/ryanjhaas/status/791791316808048640
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Kazak_Hstan posted:They were federal charges. It was in Portland because the federal district court in Oregon is in Portland. The jury was drawn from across Oregon because that's the applicable district. You cannot just move a federal criminal case to another federal district willy nilly, and especially not for the specific reason that it is more likely to result in a conviction. Thx I'm white so good I guess.
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nm posted:I don't exactly know what happened. If the judge said "he's still being held on charges in nevada" then yeah, he should have stfued. If they said "well he needs to be processed out", I'm less concerned as I suspect mumford forgot about it. Any judge stupid enough to let one of the Bundys out of custody needs to be removed from the bench for incompetence. There is zero loving chance of them not immediately hauling rear end to the family compound to hide behind their militia buddies like their idiot dad did until he was foolish enough to leave and get on a plane. VikingSkull posted:So I wonder how many Native Americans are gonna do time for the DAP protest If members of the tribe hunted these people down and started killing them I'd honestly be unable to serve on that jury because I'd support their actions 100% at this point. Dear God please give Janet Reno access to some predator drones and this fucker's location.
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disjoe posted:IMO jury nullification is a force for good overall and a good check on bullshit laws
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Bombadilillo posted:I always thought Oregonians were stupid. they're white conservatives in an overwhelmingly white state founded explicitly in white supremacy
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Kazak_Hstan posted:They were federal charges. It was in Portland because the federal district court in Oregon is in Portland. The jury was drawn from across Oregon because that's the applicable district. You cannot just move a federal criminal case to another federal district willy nilly, and especially not for the specific reason that it is more likely to result in a conviction. And IIRC outside of Portland Oregon is hick as gently caress.
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radical meme posted:Well, it answers the question of what would a white version of the O.J. verdict look like. Again this is a lot different that the oj verdict considering they have video of them doing the things they were accused of.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I mean, it is fairly extraordinary for counsel to be tased in a courtroom, but would it surprise anyone if he was being a grandstanding nomcompliant piece of poo poo to enhance his cred with his new dumb redneck gravy train? No, but I really want to know what happened. The oregonian seems to make it like "Let my client go" "He has an NV case" "Does he have a hold?" *tackle* Which I highly doubt is actually the case (I assume he was being a much bigger jackass), but their version is pretty strange.
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disjoe posted:IMO jury nullification is a force for good overall and a good check on bullshit laws It's not, because as a statistical matter it protects the majority, which more or less by definition does not require extra-legal means of protection outside of actual apartheid.
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