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cinci zoo sniper posted:it's not good, tolerable at best, and only since we have fast internet and powerful computers, and companies enforcing performance budgets on websites. there is no sane reason for average web page, images and videos excluding, to be 452 kilobytes large You're right. I'm removing these lovely crypto dependencies. I'm pretty sure I can get useful crypto in like 100 lines. I'll save so much on server resources!
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cinci zoo sniper posted:it's not good, tolerable at best, and only since we have fast internet and powerful computers, and companies enforcing performance budgets on websites. there is no sane reason for average web page, images and videos excluding, to be 452 kilobytes large Using libraries indiscriminately leads to left-pad syndrome Not using libraries when you should leads to a huge mess of unmaintain(ed|able) garbage code Both are really bad
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Oct 28, 2016 15:01
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Basically, dont be a computer toucher.
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Oct 28, 2016 15:06
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Finster Dexter posted:You're right. I'm removing these lovely crypto dependencies. I'm pretty sure I can get useful crypto in like 100 lines. I'll save so much on server resources! Arcsech posted:Using libraries indiscriminately leads to left-pad syndrome rolling your own security or performance critical components is dumb even if you're 219x growth hacker from ninja dynansty. adding an external library when you can't be arsed to take some time to read is dumb too, that is the point i am trying to make
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hmm sometimes libraries are good sometimes libraries are bad and you have to apply experience and judgment in order to effectively do a programming because that's kind of what programmers do when it comes down to it makes u think
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Oct 28, 2016 15:47
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Sapozhnik posted:hmm
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Arcsech posted:Using libraries indiscriminately leads to left-pad syndrome I guess using libraries "indiscriminately" has only been an issue I've seen with js devs (web and node). Even with the spectre of nuget looming large over the .NET side, I really haven't seen those kinds of shenanigans.
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Oct 28, 2016 16:12
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cinci zoo sniper posted:i wonder if there could be approaches to learning programming that prioritise development of analytical over mechanical abilities Teach software design the same way we teach creative writing. Not even kidding. Get your first ten software design fuckups out of your system as quickly as possible. (note: nuts and bolts programming knowledge and software design are two separate but equally important skills)
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Oct 28, 2016 16:15
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Sapozhnik posted:Teach software design the same way we teach creative writing. agreed. write a lot of software, read software that others have written.
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Oct 28, 2016 16:27
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a lot of programs don't even teach anything about how to organize complicated software this book is p interesting http://aosabook.org/en/intro1.html e: better link
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MSPain posted:a lot of programs don't even teach anything about how to organize complicated software this looks like an extremely pro click, thanks
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cinci zoo sniper posted:
O.O >_>
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Finster Dexter posted:O.O e: found the problem, there was a destructive operation earlier in the loop cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Oct 28, 2016 16:43
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Sapozhnik posted:Back when Angular was the new hotness your main choices were Angular, Ember, and Backbone. What if you'd gone toot toot all aboard the Backbone train? You'd probably have been hosed a lot sooner since the support for those two withered and died much quicker. there was also knockout which was the best. angular was and is trash
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angular 1 was so incredibly bad in a totally pernicious way. it inherently lends itself to unmaintainable trash. gently caress me i'm so glad i don't do any webdev anymore.
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we use knockout at work and it still rules. it tries to not do too much which is really rare for a js framework.
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MSPain posted:we use knockout at work and it still rules. it tries to not do too much which is really rare for a js framework. I feel the same about handlebars.
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i woke up this morning with 219 new emails, lol also it's because our latest release is hosed, lol HoboMan fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Oct 28, 2016 |
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Oct 28, 2016 17:26
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http://programming.witheve.com/ lmao every goddamn time someone reinvents programming starting with the premise "programming is so GOSH DARN COMPLICATED! why dont we make it NOT SO GOSH DARN COMPLICATED!" you know its gonna be great
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Oct 28, 2016 17:44
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HoboMan posted:i woke up this morning with 219 new emails, lol The clutch move in this situation is to roll everything back to previous version and remind everyone that nothing should be deployed on a Friday. Then, sit back and read tech blogs or whatever and worry about fixing it on Monday.
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:http://programming.witheve.com/ quote:Prose and then code How about No and then gently caress No. I have barely enough energy each day to smash my face on the keyboard until a line of code pops out, I'm not going to spend my precious effort on writing a novella around my code. If my manager came to me with this poo poo and was like "we're switching to this" I'd probably quit.
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so it's like markdown except the code in it compiles?
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Also I haven't read it in depth but it looks like it has a database engine built in, which immediately makes me think of mumps
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Literate programming is invariably bullshit, but I can totally get on board with the idea of an IDE that allows comments to be something more than just differently-coloured text. I don't see why it can't be done with a real language instead of their special snowflake poo poo, though.
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NihilCredo posted:Literate programming is invariably bullshit, but I can totally get on board with the idea of an IDE that allows comments to be something more than just differently-coloured text. I don't see why it can't be done with a real language, though. 
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NihilCredo posted:Literate programming is invariably bullshit, but I can totally get on board with the idea of an IDE that allows comments to be something more than just differently-coloured text. I don't see why it can't be done with a real language instead of their special snowflake poo poo, though. inform 7 is a DSL for interactive fiction that does this
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NihilCredo posted:Literate programming is invariably bullshit, but I can totally get on board with the idea of an IDE that allows comments to be something more than just differently-coloured text. I don't see why it can't be done with a real language instead of their special snowflake poo poo, though. In rust you can put code/test cases in your documentation. It gets compiled (and executed if it's a test)
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I'm surprised that Visual Studio hasn't enabled richtext comments wrapped in /**/ with lovely Word html or something. Seems like something MS would do.
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it would be kind of nice to have rich text comments that were then saved as the normal xml comments.
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Shaggar posted:it would be kind of nice to have rich text comments that were then saved as the normal xml comments. In theory... but that would be hard to execute without it dumping weird garbage all over your file. Keep my git merges clean, please.
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c# already has formatted comments, but they're written as xml so what I was suggesting was instead of writing the xml you get a rich text editor that writes the xml for you from the rich text. it would be a function of the IDE
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cinci zoo sniper posted:you can just learn to use google analytics or something like a normal person (which is an external javascript library)
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Wheany posted:(which is an external javascript library)
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gonadic io posted:In rust you can put code/test cases in your documentation. It gets compiled (and executed if it's a test) Confirming that this owns. Also on a related note testing in Rust owns in general.
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VikingofRock posted:Also on a related note Rust owns in general.
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vue is just a 2016 knockout knockoff
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cinci zoo sniper posted:one, which is exactly the point i make, as many sites these days will run up to like 8 analytic modules at once Having had to implement poo poo like that, I can tell you that's not a dev problem, that's an upper management and/or client problem.
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Finster Dexter posted:Having had to implement poo poo like that, I can tell you that's not a dev problem, that's an upper management and/or client problem.
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